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peek  (D 8884)

Mar 12, 2014, 6:52 AM
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People! Stow your excess steering line!

This weekend I (again) found 2 experienced jumpers that are not stowing their excess steering line, and when asked, they said something like, "Oh, it will be OK." No it won't! It can be deadly, and has contributed to reserve rides and fatalities.

I just don't get it. It is so simple to have your rigger put something on your risers to hold the excess. I would do it for free for anyone that brings their gear to my house.

Some manufacturers are not providing something easy to use, so people are making excuses. Quit doing that. Fix it.


AHoyThere  (D 12622)

Mar 12, 2014, 8:16 AM
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+1


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Mar 12, 2014, 8:33 AM
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Hi Gary,

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I would do it for free for anyone that brings their gear to my house.

Some manufacturers are not providing something easy to use, so people are making excuses.

Got any specs on how you rework risers?

JerryBaumchen


peek  (D 8884)

Mar 12, 2014, 8:56 AM
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JerryBaumchen wrote:
Got any specs on how you rework risers? [for stowing excess steering line].

Yes, actually I do, but many people will not like this version of how to do it because it includes Velcro, which many people now think is evil: http://www.pcprg.com/slstow.htm

My point is that people should do something. It does not need to be perfect.

Often, simply providing elastic of the proper size and strength on the back side of the riser will do.


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 12, 2014, 9:09 AM
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A quick & easy way I use, is a small loop of tack cord on the riser - and a small stow-band through that loop...


If ya think little things like that don't really matter...face that GoPro backwards for a dozen jumps & take a hard look at the chaos going on during the unpacking at terminal!


juggalo  (D License)

Mar 12, 2014, 9:18 AM
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Good Point Gary
Why not just larks head a rubber band on the connector link/slink east and no damage to risers.
brew


peek  (D 8884)

Mar 12, 2014, 9:47 AM
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juggalo wrote:
Why not just larks head a rubber band on the connector link/slink easy and no damage to risers.

Yes, that is quick and easy, and a reasonable way to do it.


wasatchrider

Mar 12, 2014, 12:35 PM
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this is something that I have never done before what are the dangers other than putting you hand through the eccess and pulling the toggle through?


wildcard451  (D License)

Mar 12, 2014, 12:44 PM
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wasatchrider wrote:
this is something that I have never done before what are the dangers other than putting you hand through the eccess and pulling the toggle through?

The excess loop can wrap around all kinds of shit back there (dive loops, camera mounts, etc)

Never a good day when that happens.


BrianM  (D 661)

Mar 12, 2014, 5:27 PM
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peek wrote:
Often, simply providing elastic of the proper size and strength on the back side of the riser will do.

I did this for a local jumper recently. Took a few minutes on the zigzag machine. It works great. I've got a couple more to do soon. I have a picture I can dig up and post when I get home.

juggalo wrote:
Why not just larks head a rubber band on the connector link/slink east and no damage to risers.

I've done that too. It also works well.


gilead1  (D 26)

Mar 12, 2014, 8:57 PM
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Here is a good example for Excess steering line problem ....

Be safe
Gilead


mx19  (D License)

Mar 12, 2014, 11:08 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45VtzmtA_C0

This is due to excess getting caught round the closing loop attachment...


theonlyski  (D License)

Mar 13, 2014, 5:19 AM
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juggalo wrote:
Good Point Gary
Why not just larks head a rubber band on the connector link/slink east and no damage to risers.
brew

There was an issue with rubber bands that people were using on their hip rings that were causing a massive acceleration of wear to the harness. I wouldn't put rubber bands in a place that could cause unnoticed wear, especially on a harness/riser.

If I can find pictures of how I modified my risers to allow the stowing to be a little neater (and cause much less wear on the lines), I'll post them.


theonlyski  (D License)

Mar 13, 2014, 5:27 AM
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I did like this one especially. Toggle on the left is how I got the rig (both toggles looked like that).

On the right is how they left.Cool
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DivingWombat  (B License)

Mar 13, 2014, 6:10 AM
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Thank you for posting and discussing this topic!

I've seen quite a lot of experienced jumpers who don't stow the excess and think it's ok.

Many of the less experienced guys do the same and think it looks more pro-style...hah!


juggalo  (D License)

Mar 13, 2014, 7:23 AM
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There was an issue with rubber bands that people were using on their hip rings that were causing a massive acceleration of wear to the harness. I wouldn't put rubber bands in a place that could cause unnoticed wear, especially on a harness/riser.

Interesting, never heard of anything like this. Regular bands or some other kind? Tube stows or the black bands that were around?

I've used regular bands for years on some rigs with no problems.
thanks for the input
brew


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Mar 13, 2014, 4:18 PM
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... There was an issue with rubber bands that people were using on their hip rings that were causing a massive acceleration of wear to the harness. ...
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That harness wear problem is only vaguely related. Rigging Innovations did not even see that wear pattern until a Flexon had been jumped hard (Airspeed hard) in the Arizona desert for four years. The wear is caused by the folded edge of one leg strap rubbing against the folded edge of the next piece of webbing. It took four years for the wear pattern to develop with the original, large RW-0 hip rings.
Relative Workshop/UPT issued their Service Bulletin after they noticed unusual wear related to smaller RW-8 hip rings. The rubber bands were forcing leg straps closer together and forcing them to press/rub harder against each other, accelerating wear.

The moral of my story (and yours) is: if you don't understand something, copy it exactly.
IOW when sewing stows onto main risers, copy the factory pattern.


Decodiver  (D License)

Mar 14, 2014, 6:14 AM
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peek wrote:
People! Stow your excess steering line!

This weekend I (again) found 2 experienced jumpers that are not stowing their excess steering line, and when asked, they said something like, "Oh, it will be OK." No it won't! It can be deadly, and has contributed to reserve rides and fatalities.

I just don't get it. It is so simple to have your rigger put something on your risers to hold the excess. I would do it for free for anyone that brings their gear to my house.

Some manufacturers are not providing something easy to use, so people are making excuses. Quit doing that. Fix it.

It drives me mad, that an idiots on 110 size canopies who can't be bothered to de-twist their brake lines - fucking idiots.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Mar 14, 2014, 7:35 AM
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See attachment.

Sparky
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