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Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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May 20, 2013, 7:20 AM
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http://fox5sandiego.com/...zed-after-collision/

SAN DIEGO A skydiver was airlifted to a hospital after becoming injured during a skydiving incident Sunday evening.

skydiving graphicCalFire crews responded to Nichols Field in Jamul around 7:30 p.m. to assist a skydiver who was involved in some type of collision, CalFire spokesman Mike Mohler said.

Mercy Air transported the victim to an area hospital to be treated for moderate injuries, Mohler said.

Fire departments from Chula Vista and San Diego also responded to the incident.

No other details were immediately provided.


ChrisD  (No License)

May 20, 2013, 2:06 PM
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http://www.10news.com/...a-skydiving-accident

Can't find much else, yet...

Interesting because it involves a collision, we were doing so well so far this yeat at avoiding collisions, but no hard info as of yet!

This also makes mention of an AAD save, that would be awesome to start trusting those things again,...
C


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

May 20, 2013, 3:33 PM
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Re: [PhreeZone] Injury - San Diego - 19 May 2013 [In reply to] Can't Post

Experienced jumper was on a tracking dive. Last out, camera step. He was in a hard dive. He didn't see the other jumper until the last minute and tried to flare out a bit, but hit the other jumpers' foot knocking himself out.

He remained unconscious until his cypres fired. Luckily, his canopy turned into the wind (PD160r) and he remained unconscious until he landed in the most desirable location devoid of rocks and hazards.

Jumper was airlifted as a precaution. He has a concussion and no other notable injuries. A lucky day indeed.

He has been released from the hospital and I'm sure is currently stopping at the store to purchase the beer he now owes! Which we will consume while he tells one hell of a "No shit" story.


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

May 20, 2013, 3:42 PM
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Re: [GravityGirl] Injury - San Diego - 19 May 2013 [In reply to] Can't Post

Do you know rough wingloading on that PDR 160, Bonnie? That's not a super-small reserve, and I'd imagine given the outcome it probably wasn't loaded too heavy. Seems to this incident is a great testament for having a reasonably sized reasonably loaded reserve, for sure, because it gives you a greater chance of surviving something like this.


(This post was edited by NWFlyer on May 20, 2013, 3:53 PM)


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

May 20, 2013, 3:46 PM
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Re: [NWFlyer] Injury - San Diego - 19 May 2013 [In reply to] Can't Post

His body weight is approx. 170 - 175 I imagine.


rmarshall234  (D 18793)

May 21, 2013, 11:16 AM
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Outstanding. Thanks for the post, Bonnie. As they say..."it is better to be lucky than good". Glad this one worked out like it did.

It also seems like an appropriate time to remind everyone of how much flak Buzz has taken through the years for having a Cypres requirement.


GeorgiaDon  (A 35958)

May 21, 2013, 12:27 PM
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Jumper was airlifted as a precaution.
An expensive "precaution", at $12,000-$25,000 for a flight. Hope he's got insurance that covers that. Very glad it all worked out for him, medically at least. Hopefully he'll still be able to afford the beer to go with his "no shit" story.

Don


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

May 21, 2013, 3:21 PM
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http://www.10news.com/...ling-skydiver-052013 More detail.


dthames  (B 37674)

May 21, 2013, 4:06 PM
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GravityGirl wrote:
Experienced jumper was on a tracking dive. Last out, camera step. He was in a hard dive. He didn't see the other jumper until the last minute and tried to flare out a bit, but hit the other jumpers' foot knocking himself out.

<snip>

Do I understand correctly this was a group tracking dive and both jumpers in the group?


TitaniumLegs  (D 19246)

May 21, 2013, 5:37 PM
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GravityGirl wrote:
... while he tells one hell of a "No shit" story.
Well, he won't be telling much of a story - he was unconscious for the best parts!
Oh, no, I didn't!!


excaza  (C License)

May 21, 2013, 5:54 PM
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TitaniumLegs wrote:
Well, he won't be telling much of a story - he was unconscious for the best parts!
Oh, no, I didn't!!
I dunno, he jumped out of a plane and woke up in a helicopter, that's a pretty cool story Tongue


flysweet

May 21, 2013, 7:03 PM
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GeorgiaDon wrote:
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Jumper was airlifted as a precaution.
An expensive "precaution", at $12,000-$25,000 for a flight. Hope he's got insurance that covers that. Very glad it all worked out for him, medically at least. Hopefully he'll still be able to afford the beer to go with his "no shit" story.

Don

I know someone that recently received a bill for $30,520 for a similar airlift...luckily their insurance covered it!

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grimmie  (D 18890)

May 21, 2013, 7:24 PM
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Re: [flysweet] Injury - San Diego - 19 May 2013 [In reply to] Can't Post

Whenever there is a mid air collision, or anytime a jumper is unconcious, you should suspect a neck/back injury.

A helicopter ride is usually the wisest decision, no matter the cost.


wildcard451  (D License)

May 21, 2013, 7:36 PM
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grimmie wrote:
Whenever there is a mid air collision, or anytime a jumper is unconcious, you should suspect a neck/back injury.

A helicopter ride is usually the wisest decision, no matter the cost.

Esp not being there, I wouldn't argue with this decision.


Usetawuz  (D 2747)

May 21, 2013, 8:10 PM
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grimmie wrote:
Whenever there is a mid air collision, or anytime a jumper is unconcious, you should suspect a neck/back injury.

A helicopter ride is usually the wisest decision, no matter the cost.

Yep!


jumpinjackflsh  (B 27757)

May 21, 2013, 8:26 PM
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I for one would take the back board / ambulance. Unless my brains are leaking out my ears I'm good.

I may be notoriously cheap but it is what it is. I know the goddamned fuel isn't that much and I know the people manning the thing aren't getting paid that.

Therefore, just like every other thing else at this point, someones making a bit too much cash off the damn things.

30K for a helicopter ride is just ridiculous.

Now, for saving a life? That's another question, and comes into play when that ride means doing a hundred other things in order to make that happen.

Even so, that is flat out exorbitant and just crazy.


Nice one on the Cypres save though, to be sure. Totally awesome!


;-)


demoknite  (D License)

May 21, 2013, 8:45 PM
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GeorgiaDon wrote:
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Jumper was airlifted as a precaution.
An expensive "precaution", at $12,000-$25,000 for a flight. Hope he's got insurance that covers that. Very glad it all worked out for him, medically at least. Hopefully he'll still be able to afford the beer to go with his "no shit" story.

Don

I think Tricare will pick up the tab on this one.


chedlin  (A 65914)

May 21, 2013, 8:48 PM
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Re: [jumpinjackflsh] Injury - San Diego - 19 May 2013 [In reply to] Can't Post

I have really good insurance and was thinking the same thing.


grimmie  (D 18890)

May 21, 2013, 10:32 PM
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Re: [jumpinjackflsh] Injury - San Diego - 19 May 2013 [In reply to] Can't Post

Taking the ambulance may not be your choice if you are unconsious.

If you're involved in a trauma situation, the responding EMS has implied consent to save your life.

We can start another thread on all of those issues.

Brian is a great guy and I'm glad he wasn't too wrecked.


jumpinjackflsh  (B 27757)

May 21, 2013, 11:15 PM
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Re: [grimmie] Injury - San Diego - 19 May 2013 [In reply to] Can't Post

Agreed on all three points.


cube  (D License)

May 22, 2013, 6:50 AM
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jumpinjackflsh wrote:
I for one would take the back board / ambulance. Unless my brains are leaking out my ears I'm good.

I may be notoriously cheap but it is what it is. I know the goddamned fuel isn't that much and I know the people manning the thing aren't getting paid that.

Therefore, just like every other thing else at this point, someones making a bit too much cash off the damn things.

30K for a helicopter ride is just ridiculous.

Now, for saving a life? That's another question, and comes into play when that ride means doing a hundred other things in order to make that happen.

Even so, that is flat out exorbitant and just crazy.


Nice one on the Cypres save though, to be sure. Totally awesome!


;-)

They have to cover the fixed costs too. Including the manpower needed for it to stay alert, rents, financial costs, maintenance etc. Keeping a service like that running at all times isnt cheap, even though the cost of the flight in itself doesnt cost that much.


ChrisD  (No License)

May 22, 2013, 7:12 AM
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Thanks for that K.

"The second man involved in the collision was not at the scene when firefighters arrived"

Angelic Look for somebody with a limp??? Crazy

Amsome job reporting, compare this with the Gerado bullshit!

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airtwardo  (D License)

May 22, 2013, 7:23 AM
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jumpinjackflsh wrote:
I for one would take the back board / ambulance. Unless my brains are leaking out my ears I'm good.

I may be notoriously cheap but it is what it is. I know the goddamned fuel isn't that much and I know the people manning the thing aren't getting paid that.

Therefore, just like every other thing else at this point, someones making a bit too much cash off the damn things.

30K for a helicopter ride is just ridiculous.

Now, for saving a life? That's another question, and comes into play when that ride means doing a hundred other things in order to make that happen.

Even so, that is flat out exorbitant and just crazy.


Nice one on the Cypres save though, to be sure. Totally awesome!


;-)

I get what you're saying...but on the other hand ~

That DZ is kinda out in the toolies, if it were an event in which minutes count - you most certainly would want to going over those mountains in a chopper instead of around them in a meat wagon.

And quite honestly this incident is a bit of an anomaly...AAD or not, after being knocked unconscious while Skydiving it's rather rare to be able to just 'walk it off'. The EMT's are like the jumpers in that they tend to hope for the best - but plan for the worse.


ASTKU  (D License)

May 22, 2013, 7:30 AM
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His body weight is approx. 170 - 175 I imagine.

I'm gonna guess 190+ haha


Premier GravityGirl  (D 18897)

May 22, 2013, 1:22 PM
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Re: [GeorgiaDon] Injury - San Diego - 19 May 2013 [In reply to] Can't Post

It's an off road, bumpy ride out from where he landed. I have personally experienced an ambulance ride with low back and pelvis fractures and can say from experience, I would prefer a large medical bill over paralyzation any day.

The jumper has full medical coverage and a community that cares for him and has his back ;)


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