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emmett751  (D 32906)

May 16, 2013, 7:19 PM
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 I knew Elsinore had one and its one, does anyone know if any other DZ aside from Sacramento that has one?


jacketsdb23  (D 29802)

May 17, 2013, 8:04 AM
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If you find one let us knowSmile


jjudd  (D 31065)

May 17, 2013, 12:02 PM
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Only Sacramento at the time being. Socal is not on the homefront of pushing canopy piloting anytime soon.

However you can still do high performance turns in the designated swoop are at Elsinore for the time being.


3mpire  (C 39657)

May 17, 2013, 12:38 PM
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Only Sacramento at the time being.

We tried to buy it and move it to Seattle but that deal fell apart at the last minute, too. Crazy


grimmie  (D 18890)

May 17, 2013, 12:53 PM
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jjudd wrote:
Only Sacramento at the time being. Socal is not on the homefront of pushing canopy piloting anytime soon.

However you can still do high performance turns in the designated swoop are at Elsinore for the time being.

The So Cal swoopers should pony up and buy a 182. Go out to the desert and dig a pond or three by an old airstrip. Start a Swoop School, hold comps and have fun.


Spooky52  (D 4501)

May 17, 2013, 2:12 PM
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Problem with that is the water would evaporate here before they got to exit altitude! :-)


(This post was edited by Spooky52 on May 17, 2013, 2:14 PM)


jjudd  (D 31065)

May 17, 2013, 2:44 PM
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Its similar to something in the works to come soon..Wink


jjudd  (D 31065)

May 17, 2013, 2:52 PM
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Also Sacramento's Pond is getting bigger and better! Bright things in the future are happening : )

http://www.skydivesac.com


emmett751  (D 32906)

May 18, 2013, 7:01 AM
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Sac is a very long drive for me and my coach. I just don't seem to understand, I know having one is a liability, but how do the east coast dz's get away with it?


adamT  (D 26819)

May 19, 2013, 6:29 AM
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There is hell of a lot more water on this side. So that helps.


jjudd  (D 31065)

May 19, 2013, 8:06 PM
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sac is a very long drive for me and my coach. I just don't seem to understand, I know having one is a liability, but how do the east coast dz's get away with it?


Its not getting away with it at all.

The problem is elsinore and perris are big dz's catering to tandem business and large events. Bad publicity greatly effects their business and there were enough incidents in minimal amount of time to make it easy to say were done. On top of that add the investigations that follow and continued time consumption by lawyers.

That said High performance landings aren't going away anytime soon. And I've seen equally as many incidents from a 90 in the main at both dz's.

But I will attest that now I hardly see anyone trying big turns(that shouldnt be), though still they are allowed where the pond once was. Now you only see the people that are serious over there. The pond wasnt so much of a i need to do a big turn as it was a target of fixation that resulted in alot of low turns and impacts for the non coached and people trying to swoop fixated on the water. Simply moving it out along ways away from the main would have greatly helped the situation to make it no longer a target of fixation and "im cool swooping the pond location".


The trip to train where you have a pond though long (for me 8hrs+ to sac) is worthwhile. For competitors no pond makes zone accuracy and distance really hard to train, additionally there is no margin for error on the lake elsinore concrete dirt.


emmett751  (D 32906)

May 22, 2013, 10:04 PM
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jjudd wrote:
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sac is a very long drive for me and my coach. I just don't seem to understand, I know having one is a liability, but how do the east coast dz's get away with it?


Its not getting away with it at all.

The problem is elsinore and perris are big dz's catering to tandem business and large events. Bad publicity greatly effects their business and there were enough incidents in minimal amount of time to make it easy to say were done. On top of that add the investigations that follow and continued time consumption by lawyers.

That said High performance landings aren't going away anytime soon. And I've seen equally as many incidents from a 90 in the main at both dz's.

But I will attest that now I hardly see anyone trying big turns(that shouldnt be), though still they are allowed where the pond once was. Now you only see the people that are serious over there. The pond wasnt so much of a i need to do a big turn as it was a target of fixation that resulted in alot of low turns and impacts for the non coached and people trying to swoop fixated on the water. Simply moving it out along ways away from the main would have greatly helped the situation to make it no longer a target of fixation and "im cool swooping the pond location".


The trip to train where you have a pond though long (for me 8hrs+ to sac) is worthwhile. For competitors no pond makes zone accuracy and distance really hard to train, additionally there is no margin for error on the lake elsinore concrete dirt.

Well said and thank you for the input, helps shed a different light on the subject.


jjudd  (D 31065)

May 23, 2013, 10:12 PM
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yeah still sucks that we cant get a pond back down here right now but to understand both sides for me took along time. The only reason I do is from actually talking to the dzo to have the full understanding of why what happened happened. And it makes sense.

Some day I would like to hope we will again have a venue in socal with a pond to train. For now just a high performance area is good.

I can say it is probable it would be at a new dz however, as it will be along time before perris or elsinore have another pond if it ever happens


raymod2  (D 25630)

May 24, 2013, 8:27 AM
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@jjudd - What is it that you fully understand now? That money is the most important thing? That any decision which places profit as the highest priority is the correct one?


jjudd  (D 31065)

May 27, 2013, 1:16 PM
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try this, that running a business isnt as simple as all of us think. I still think we should have a pond, thats not going to change anything. no one cares about your opinion unless your important and still with that you need to influence that important decision

And yes there is some importance to money because if it isnt there then there will be no drop zone, without it we couldnt jump, have a home, car, gas etc. simple as that


jjudd  (D 31065)

May 27, 2013, 1:18 PM
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unfortunately in america today the vast majority of decisions are based on whats best for the business, ie profits and good publicity, not the end users and workers. Again not something we can change at our level.

Its going to take someone with alot of money and no care to burn it to change that dynamic in any business



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