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theonlyski  (D License)

Mar 23, 2013, 4:00 PM
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http://www.baynews9.com/...ials_search_by_.html

Any info??

ETA: looks like they've found them. 2 fatalities. Pirate


(This post was edited by PhreeZone on Mar 28, 2013, 5:28 AM)


ReluctantStool  (A 65507)

Mar 23, 2013, 5:42 PM
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Blue Skies fellas Frownhttp://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2013/3/23/officials_search_by_.html


Iago  (D License)

Mar 23, 2013, 5:49 PM
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http://www.baynews9.com/...ials_search_by_.html


BillyVance  (D 18895)

Mar 23, 2013, 5:52 PM
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Damn... A student and instructor? Pure conjecture here, but I can't help but think of the Tom Piras incident. Unsure

ETA what we don't know is was this a tandem or an AFF jump?


(This post was edited by BillyVance on Mar 23, 2013, 5:59 PM)


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Mar 23, 2013, 6:19 PM
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Was not a tandem


ryoder  (D 6663)

Mar 23, 2013, 6:20 PM
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More info: http://blogs.tampabay.com/...pasco-county/2110878


castrodavidd  (C 33299)

Mar 23, 2013, 8:16 PM
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Not a tandem. It was an instructor and a student from Iceland. Both had AAD's. no one saw them after leaving the airplane. No report about any canopies out, but there was a low scattered layer of clouds that obstructed the area were they were found.


evan85  (C 41367)

Mar 23, 2013, 8:57 PM
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From http://blogs.tampabay.com/...pasco-county/2110878: "Pasco County sheriff's deputies were uncertain Saturday whether their parachutes ever opened."

Any word on if either had deployed main or reserve? Where were their main PCs and their handles? Did either AAD activate? Statistically it's got to be damn near impossible for two AADs to not fire on the same jump.


airtwardo  (D License)

Mar 23, 2013, 10:34 PM
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Statistically it's got to be damn near impossible for two AADs to not fire on the same jump.

In reply to:

Not that it has anything to do with this incident ~

But that's not at all true, IF some barometric anomaly occurred...there's a possibility nobody's AAD was working right.

Just like when everyone's AAD fires at the same time in an aircraft...




chuckakers  (D 10855)

Mar 24, 2013, 5:35 AM
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Statistically it's got to be damn near impossible for two AADs to not fire on the same jump.

In reply to:

Not that it has anything to do with this incident ~

But that's not at all true, IF some barometric anomaly occurred...there's a possibility nobody's AAD was working right.

Just like when everyone's AAD fires at the same time in an aircraft...

I think that's a bit different. Inside the aircraft, a condition has been met in the past (presumably) replicating freefall speeds and the activation altitude and thus causing AAD's to fire (2 if I'm not mistaken - not "everyone's").

I don't know of any anomaly during freefall that would cause 2 AAD's to fail on the same jump. I suppose there could have been some sort of human error during a manual field elevation offset adjustment (on BOTH units), but ya gotta wonder why they would have been doing that.

More likely scenario: either the AAD's were turned off, or the student's AAD failed and the instructor wasn't wearing one.

Condolences to the jumpers' families and everyone at the Z.




theonlyski  (D License)

Mar 24, 2013, 5:50 AM
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I'm not sure how long it would take but machine a low pressure system moving in after takeoff.


devildog  (C 40302)

Mar 24, 2013, 6:32 AM
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Anyone know if at least the student's AAD was a cypress? Might it have been one of those that shut off?


RMURRAY

Mar 24, 2013, 7:22 AM
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no one on the ground saw anything?


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Mar 24, 2013, 7:23 AM
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I haven't seen any details posted. Are we sure they both went in with nothing out?




Madison  (D 25271)

Mar 24, 2013, 7:32 AM
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Authorities say the plane took off about 10:30 a.m. and 22 people jumped. When only 20 returned, authorities started searching for the missing men.

Props to Z-Hills for doing what other big DZs claim is 'near impossible' to do:keep track of their jumpers/make an effort to find missing ones asap, not days later.

Sad incident, BSBD


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Mar 24, 2013, 7:33 AM
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I haven't seen any details posted. Are we sure they both went in with nothing out?

Not at all. I was just speculating (yes, speculating) in a reply to a post about the possibility of a double AAD mal.

One thing is for sure. Something went horribly wrong given the result. I'm sure TK will post once they collect the facts.




CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Mar 24, 2013, 8:34 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
I haven't seen any details posted. Are we sure they both went in with nothing out?

Not at all. I was just speculating (yes, speculating) in a reply to a post about the possibility of a double AAD mal.

One thing is for sure. Something went horribly wrong given the result. I'm sure TK will post once they collect the facts.


Fair enough, thought you might have a piece of info I hadn't seen


jimmytavino  (A 3914)

Mar 24, 2013, 11:29 AM
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weren't they equipped with altimeters and / or an audible...at least for the Instructor/ who PULLS!!! and hopefully the student sees it.. and Then the student PULLS...right?

mention is made of some cloudbank.
Any ideas , of the altitude AGL of the top???
and of the bottom...?
any sense of whether they got IN to that layer.. when it would have been Most Unexpected.....Unsure

may all, find peace...


Heinz  (C License)

Mar 24, 2013, 11:37 AM
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For an AAD malfunction we need an atmospheric pressure drop from 760 to 734 mmHg or something around it. If the landing spot is higher than the starting point, this difference can be even less. It is not an impossible situation IMO.


ufk22  (D 16168)

Mar 24, 2013, 12:02 PM
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The fact that they were spotted from the air is a pretty good (not conclusive) indication that a canopy was as least out.


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danornan  (D 11308)

Mar 24, 2013, 12:06 PM
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Local Tampa news...

http://www2.tbo.com/news/pasco-news/2013/mar/24/parachutes-did-not-open-for-skydivers-killed-in-ze-ar-669399/


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