Feb 1, 2013, 9:48 AM
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'And everyone else' is a pretty bold statement. If you don't believe anyone here has the slightest idea, then why do you continue to post here?
Think about it. Maybe you should go to wherever the place is where the 'real' suspects are. You're obviously wasting your time here, right? (*laughs*)
No use hitting your head against the wall.
That post of yours gave me the best laugh I've had this month, no kidding.
Blevins, The above also applies to you. What are you doing here? You even admit that you don't know if your "suspect" is what you have claimed he is in books, internet articles, and your famous posts here on DZ.com.
As far as I can see, you haven't done anything to advance the search for Cooper. Your initial posts on this thread appeared to be solely to sell your book. And don't forget that you said about five times that you were leaving the thread. Nevertheless, in all but one case you were back the very next day and in two or three days in the other case. Were you just looking for love?
Sending the FBI and media a pile of rehashed baloney can best be viewed as a lame attempt to establish yourself as "a prominent Cooper researcher", a label you apparently covet.
Feb 1, 2013, 10:07 AM
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Yea! Ever wonder why Robert99 posts on this thread. Whoever he is! Obviously he is WASTING his time or is that EXACTLY why he is here. Infiltrate and destroy from within! In fact I do NOT believe I can remember him making a positive statement about anyone poster!
WHO is Robert99? WHY is he posting here? WHAT is his purpose? DOES he have a suspect?
Does ANYONE else know why Robert99 posts here - other than to make negatives about other posters. Has Robert99 made and productive posts about any part of this old crime. Perhaps I only remember the negatives and the digs.
Certain won't offer to go back and see what GOOD he has offered - he HATES me - so who is he. Perhaps he is just a WRITER posting here to get material for a book or maybe even a made TV spoof?
Who is Robert99 and what are his contributions to any subject or to the facts of the crime or even theories as far as that goes?
Jo, I don't HATE you, but I do think you are NUTS (sorry JC).
Blevins is an easy study. But you are different.
The REAL mystery of the Cooper thread is Jo Weber. Despite your protests to the contrary, you are here for some reason and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with finding the "truth" about Duane Weber.
Level with us Jo, what are you doing here? There has got to be something in it for you and it sure isn't Duane.
Feb 1, 2013, 10:33 AM
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After some overnight thought, I guess it's normal to check the box marked 'None of the Above' on the current suspects.
No one can prove that any of them were Cooper.
I am wondering if Robert99 has any theories about the suspect, though. For example, does he trust the majority of the work by Tom Kaye? If so, which parts?
Blevins, I do specifically recall having made some comments over the years about D.B. Cooper. But no comments about "the suspect", whatever you mean by that. You and Jo Weber apparently have zero retention about matters that don't support you candidates.
On the matter of Tom Kaye. I will defer to Tom Kaye and Georger on anything that involves a microscope or telescope. Otherwise, I will accept at face value anything Tom and Georger do until I have reasons not to.
However, I will not defer to Tom Kaye, Georger, Farflung, RobertMBlevins, or anyone else, on matters related to aircraft performance and flight dynamics.
And for the record, I am not aware of any disagreements between Tom, Georger, and myself on anything of substance.
Feb 1, 2013, 10:44 AM
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After some overnight thought, I guess it's normal to check the box marked 'None of the Above' on the current suspects.
No one can prove that any of them were Cooper.
I am wondering if Robert99 has any theories about the suspect, though. For example, does he trust the majority of the work by Tom Kaye? If so, which parts?
Blevins, I do specifically recall having made some comments over the years about D.B. Cooper. But no comments about "the suspect", whatever you mean by that. You and Jo Weber apparently have zero retention about matters that don't support you candidates.
On the matter of Tom Kaye. I will defer to Tom Kaye and Georger on anything that involves a microscope or telescope. Otherwise, I will accept at face value anything Tom and Georger do until I have reasons not to.
However, I will not defer to Tom Kaye, Georger, Farflung, RobertMBlevins, or anyone else, on matters related to aircraft performance and flight dynamics.
And for the record, I am not aware of any disagreements between Tom, Georger, and myself on anything of substance.
There seems to be some lack of knowledge among several "prominent Cooper researchers" (by that, I mean Blevins, Jo Weber, Sailshaw, etc.) about how real research is done in the real world.
First, it is not a good idea to give your conclusions before you have done your research.
Second, look at all the "facts" (check your dictionary for the meaning) before drawing conclusions.
Third, don't write books about your "conclusions" before you have valid data supporting those conclusions.
Fourth, don't agree to appear on national television as an "expert" on some subject until you have at least some idea of what you are talking about. Marla, please note.
Finally, when valid facts emerge that prove you have been talking through your hat, it is an excerise in futility to keep repeating your BS with the hope that someone is dumb enough to give you the benefit of a doubt.
I'm sure that there are other qualified people on this thread who can add to the above.
There seems to be some lack of knowledge among several "prominent Cooper researchers" (by that, I mean Blevins, Jo Weber, Sailshaw, etc.) about how real research is done in the real world.
First, it is not a good idea to give your conclusions before you have done your research.
Second, look at all the "facts" (check your dictionary for the meaning) before drawing conclusions.
Third, don't write books about your "conclusions" before you have valid data supporting those conclusions.
Fourth, don't agree to appear on national television as an "expert" on some subject until you have at least some idea of what you are talking about. Marla, please note.
Finally, when valid facts emerge that prove you have been talking through your hat, it is an excerise in futility to keep repeating your BS with the hope that someone is dumb enough to give you the benefit of a doubt.
I'm sure that there are other qualified people on this thread who can add to the above.
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This is a great post. However, it will be completely ignored by the people it's aimed at. They have too much emotionally invested ...your other post also spot on when you said these two have zero retention on anything not related to their suspects.
Not sure quite how long I was away for, but it's been a long while, and it's quite depressing to come back to see Blevins sounding like a stuck record and Jo continuing to alternatively cast aspersions on people's motives/background or try get them to back off by feeling sorry for her. It's clear to me there's been progress on some things or theories at least judging from some of the discussion, but quite what they are is lost in the noise.
There seems to be some lack of knowledge among several "prominent Cooper researchers" (by that, I mean Blevins, Jo Weber, Sailshaw, etc.) about how real research is done in the real world.
First, it is not a good idea to give your conclusions before you have done your research.
Second, look at all the "facts" (check your dictionary for the meaning) before drawing conclusions.
Third, don't write books about your "conclusions" before you have valid data supporting those conclusions.
Fourth, don't agree to appear on national television as an "expert" on some subject until you have at least some idea of what you are talking about. Marla, please note.
Finally, when valid facts emerge that prove you have been talking through your hat, it is an excerise in futility to keep repeating your BS with the hope that someone is dumb enough to give you the benefit of a doubt.
I'm sure that there are other qualified people on this thread who can add to the above.
Feb 1, 2013, 1:46 PM
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The REAL mystery of the Cooper thread is Jo Weber. Despite your protests to the contrary, you are here for some reason and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with finding the "truth" about Duane Weber.
Level with us Jo, what are you doing here? There has got to be something in it for you and it sure isn't Duane.
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You have never met me and you do not know me. If you did YOU would know I am here only because of the mystery involving Weber. His prior life, his life with me, the things in our marriage that cannot be explained and the fact that it all fits - but NOT one sole not even the FBI will fill in the very yrs that need to be addressed.
The only thing in any of this is about is resolution - with facts to support them. I do NOT believe in letting wrong doing go unpunished! You can take that statement to the bank. That applies to my own children as it does to Weber or anyone I have ever known. It is about TRUTH and HONESTY and that is what my life is about even though this thread seems to think otherwise.
Even though you some of you guys seem to be against what I am doing - every once in awhile a tidbit surfaces from the past all be it does seem to BY past certain individuals who only want the legend of Cooper to survive and not to really seek the truths.
Most of you swallowed what Carr stated here as FACT. NOT so! I have to sign back in every few sentences because I have not been able to keep a connection to the thread for several months now. It take about 10 sign ins to make a post.
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Feb 1, 2013, 1:51 PM
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I do NOT believe in letting wrong doing go unpunished!
And how did you punish Duane for stealing coats, Kool Aid etc? I know I'm giving you a hard time, but I wanted to call you on your statement. I think you made a lot of exceptions for Duane.
Jo, you teased that the case would be closed soon. How soon and on what basis?
Care to elaborate? Is it the logic, the conveyor of, or ...?
Mostly, I second almost anything Airtwardo posts because he's so old and wise. Of course, that's not very logical but it does fit with the reasoning expressed by many here. You being an exception to the norm, of course.
Feb 1, 2013, 2:20 PM
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I do NOT believe in letting wrong doing go unpunished!
And how did you punish Duane for stealing coats, Kool Aid etc? I know I'm giving you a hard time, but I wanted to call you on your statement. I think you made a lot of exceptions for Duane.
Jo, you teased that the case would be closed soon. How soon and on what basis?
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The KOOL AID was during the very last few months of his life. I contributed it to his being bored, He was very crippled those last few month and a trip to the grocery with a little list gave him somehing to do. Durning the last few wks he was unable to drive and could not walk very far.
The coat thing was at a restaurant - he had done the deed when I made the remark that WAS not his coat. Yes, I jumped on him with disapproval. I now do not remember the place this occurred at. It was during the early yrs. He learned quickly I would NOT tolerate certain things. I would not know until after the fact on what most would call mischievious childlike pranks...some day I will tell the story about the 2 plates! I never knew How he pulled that off - if he bought them or if he stole them!
I watched him like a hawk - if I caught him doing anything I disapproved of - he was quickly reprimanded - like one would treat a child who took candy at the check out. Children you can take back into the store and make them return the item and punish them at home - just not the way it works with an adult.
Now that I know his record - I think back on it "keeping in practice" - I didn't know what that meant or why he would make such a statement.
Have you ever slapped a child's hands and used firm words with them! It is part of the learning process as a child - but Duane evidently never grew-up! Perhaps WHY he called me MOMMIE!
He would give me that little boy like grin that would melt my heart and I would let it go until the NEXT time. Of course I am sure the few times I became aware of wrong doing was a tiny fraction of the things he actually pulled off.
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Feb 1, 2013, 2:38 PM
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'And everyone else' is a pretty bold statement. If you don't believe anyone here has the slightest idea, then why do you continue to post here?
Think about it. Maybe you should go to wherever the place is where the 'real' suspects are. You're obviously wasting your time here, right? (*laughs*)
No use hitting your head against the wall.
That post of yours gave me the best laugh I've had this month, no kidding.
Blevins, The above also applies to you. What are you doing here? You even admit that you don't know if your "suspect" is what you have claimed he is in books, internet articles, and your famous posts here on DZ.com.
As far as I can see, you haven't done anything to advance the search for Cooper. Your initial posts on this thread appeared to be solely to sell your book. And don't forget that you said about five times that you were leaving the thread. Nevertheless, in all but one case you were back the very next day and in two or three days in the other case. Were you just looking for love?
Sending the FBI and media a pile of rehashed baloney can best be viewed as a lame attempt to establish yourself as "a prominent Cooper researcher", a label you apparently covet.
Laugh on.
Georger has got your number.
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Okay...I probably deserved that, but there are a few things I'd like to mention in my defense.
First, I never claimed to be a Cooper expert, or even a Cooper researcher. I'm mostly a sci-fi novelist and book editor who reluctantly accepted the job of interviewing everyone that could be found who knew Kenny Christiansen. I have some experience doing interviews and having them published. Plus, unlike Skipp Porteous, I lived in the same area where these people lived who knew KC.
Second...I'm not here to sell anyone on the book. 95% of sales come through the Ingram Catalog, which is a private catalog (online and print) provided to wholesalers, retailers, and bookstore managers. The remainder of sales come mainly through Amazon. If a hundred people posting here each bought a book, I would make exactly a hundred bucks, (50% of total royalties) which isn't much after three years of posts, right? We get that much via Amazon alone in a week. Also...I've offered the book up for free to anyone who posts here as long as they email me. The file is too big to post in PDF here, because of the pictures.
Third, I think I have contributed in a few small ways to the search for Cooper. Remember, I wasn't the first one to investigate Christiansen. Geoff Gray did that. I only took it further. And I still don't completely buy the FBI's explanation on the Amboy chute and I think my article about it is solid.
Finally...the reason I say I don't know if KC was the hijacker is HONESTY. I just don't know for sure. Geestman's lies, along with the available circumstantial evidence, make me believe something is there, but without a smoking gun I have to be honest about it. I don't know.
NOTE: Sending the FBI the 16 documents, the pictures, and the PDF report wasn't 'rehashing'. Until I did that, I had not actually condensed the case against Christiansen into a solid document they could read in a reletively short time. And the reason I waited was because I had to check a few other things out until I felt we had all that we were going to get on Christiansen. It was an ongoing process.
I left a for a day or two a few times because I thought if I didn't cool off, I'd end up like Meyer Louie...who by the way I think should be allowed to return.
Sincerely, Robert
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There seems to be some lack of knowledge among several "prominent Cooper researchers" (by that, I mean Blevins, Jo Weber, Sailshaw, etc.) about how real research is done in the real world.
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I have never claimed to know anything other than what I was told and what I have learned about Weber. I ALWAY leave the technical stuff to the thread because that is why I started to post on the DZ. To learn about the chutes and the possibliities. Very seldom will you find me entering into the technical aspects of the crime.
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First, it is not a good idea to give your conclusions before you have done your research.
I have done my research and it conflicts with things I have been told about Weber's past! I did MORE research on WEBER than the FBI did and their background on Weber was cursive and left a lot of blank spaces and some filled in by an agent who had NOT done the research, but depended on the prior agent having done his job.
Third, don't write books about your "conclusions" before you have valid data supporting those conclusions.
Jo has not written a book, but even the FBI agrees with some of the conclusion I have made because they are the only things that made it work! I will not go into detail about these things other than to say MY connection to Duane Weber was long term and I was his wife - NOT a writer telling a story about a suspect. Even the FBI has verified things about WEBER that makes his past very suspect and there are those past FBI and current and researchers - who tell me - "TELL your STORY - Weber was the BEST suspect EVER"..........
The FBI was never able to discount Weber! NOT ever! Not with fingerprints or dna. His whereabouts cannot be accounted for during the last 2 months of 1971 and the 1st month of 1972.
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Jo Weber has never claimed to be an expert - just trying to find out about her husband and in 17 yrs of doing so learned a lot about the crime, but never ever considered herself any kind of expert on any of it. NOTE: I do pipe in when some of you make blatant errors - like my 73 yr old brain is suppose retain stuff I actually had NO first hand knowledge of nor been trained to do. So sad how some of the experts do NOT retain the facts!
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Feb 1, 2013, 3:17 PM
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I left a for a day or two a few times because I thought if I didn't cool off, I'd end up like Meyer Louie...who by the way I think should be allowed to return.
Meyer Louie should be allowed to return.
Snowmman too.
I'd even let Jamie Cooper back. I'm pretty liberal.
Certain individual have been reviewing the yr of 1971 in the life of Weber.
Weber's income in 1971:
The total income between Duane and his wife was $5233.
$1500 of that was for the sale of personal items.
Therefore the earned income was reduced to $3676. Of that $3676 the wife's total income was $1,396.
Duane's contributions that yr was a grand total of $2335 and from that he claimed travel and office expenses.
The had 2 children living at home ages 15 and 8 - in those days there was no assistance for children and the father was out of the picture.
During the yr of 1971 they lived in Atlanta and Riverdale Ga and also in Columbia S.C. During one school yr they move those kids 3 times.
They made a trip to Vegas and Weber tried to purchase a boat in South, Florida (a sea going vessel). He had the cash on him according to the wife and he bought her clothes like she had never had before and they went to N.Y. for New yrs to ring in 1972.
Most of this come from the tax report and the rest came from the testimony of the wife and the memories of 2 of her children. The one who was 15 at the time is now deceased and before she died of an overdoes after a trip to Eugene, OR she told me she knew Duane was Cooper. The young man was too young to remember a lot, but did tell me what he could remembet as an 8 yr old.
Duane destroyed lives and yet they all loved him. STRANGE! All give their testimony of their love for him and yet, he destroyed lives.
The 15 yr old had a child, one she gave away - not adopted but given to a couple I was told they knew from S.C. or N.C. In South Carolina they lived on Baffin Bay Rd. Another accounting I heard was the couple lived in MO. I will have to look for the files on the baby.
Talking about the baby makes me remember what Duane said in the hospital before he died. "Take the Baby down stairs, Bring the Baby back up, I can't go till the Baby gets here. I love You" and then he was gone.
I do not know if he was telling me he loved me or if he had already crossed over to the other side. Was the BABY the child or was the Baby just representative of his life - whatever it meant he was gone....as the death gurgle followed within moments.
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Feb 1, 2013, 4:22 PM
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Like I said - you got a $20. bill that Cooper took with him? Can you put him on the plane with that? What has been presented to the FBI - that only Cooper could have had? The plane ticket, the stub, the bank bag, a $20 bill, something stolen from the plane or a crew member? Name of the game!
Feb 1, 2013, 5:06 PM
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Galen is searching hard for some Norjack 20s in a safe deposit box traceable to Gosset. If he were successful that would be pretty convincing evidence of Gosset's connection to the crime.
What are you hinting at Jo? Whadduya got?
Go 49ers!
They really need a spectacular demo jump at halftime.
InNOW get this - I really wish I knew how to scan this, but it is faded. When Duane applied for his SS benefits they did a summary of income for each yr. yr Earnings 1953 - 76 - was in prison 1954 - 60 - was in prison 1955 - 0 1956 - 0 1957 - 401 - was on parole? 1958 - 0 1959 - 0 1960 - 24 1961 - 0 1962 - 0 1963 - 0 1964 - 0 1965 - 0 1966 - 0 1967 - 0 1968 - 2266.97 1969 - 3763.49 1970 - 6025.95 1971 - 150.00 1972 - 9192.50 1973 - 8824.97 1974 - 12203.17
Until then it continues to esculate in the high 20's and 30's until 1991 when he was put under disability.
1953 and 1954 I guess he made license plate or did something with in the prison system???but what did they do back then???
We all know he was arrested in Treasure Isle in 1957 and presumably was on parole since some income shows for that yr.
1958 /1959 - where the hell was he - probably in jail somewhere.
1960 he was in Canon.
1961 to 1967 he falls off the face of the EARTH....but supposedly in Jefferson in 1967 and part of 1968.
NOTICE how something STANDS out in the SS record. Two points.
One is 1971 - what the hell did they live off of! After that he continues to climb the food chain. This is based on earned income subject to SS - salesmen have expenses that come off the top over-head such as office expenses and auto.
Unbelievable where the record goes after 1983 - off the charts for an excon selling insurance and that is after deductions. I look at the money he made between 1984 and 1987 before he got sick - NO DAMN wonder he was MANAGER of the YR. I thought something was wrong and pulled some old tax record.
Also there is another GLITCH. 1981 the yr he takes a big dip. I wondered how we lived in 1980/1981. I was working- selling furniture, but didn't make a lot of money. I also spent a lot of time on the phone booking appt.s for him....but during those 2 yrs we did without nothing - absolutely nothing.
Remember 1980 was when the money was found and Duane left Ft. Collins by March right after he asked me to make a trip with him to Omaho, NB. (I think this was the city he took me too or something close to it).He went to a BANK with his briefcase...and told me he had to see a man about some business - he was not licensed in that state.
He is only inside for about 20 minutes and I sit in the car. Remember this was after the news articles hit the newspapers about the money find. Then a few days later Duane leaves for AL, but I do not know were he was for a while - as he would call me and did NOT tell me much - just that he had a room in Mobile and he was looking at the job. Remember when he left Ft Collins he was in an Oldsmobile Cutlass he had bought in 1979 after our trip to CO. Brand New! BUT the income does NOT support his being able to purchase (cash) a brand new car even if the dealer gave him a good trade on the Caddy. The Caddy was only about 3 yrs old, but we had racked up a lot of miles on it. IT was the CADDY we drove to Salt Lake and to WA.
Then he comes back to CO for my daughters graduation and shortly afterward he is driving the Mercury Maurque (new). (2 NEW CARS in 9 months). Strange as it may sound the tax records show he purchased yet another car - I have NO knowledge of...or at least that is how I read the records. I haven't gone back to chase it - as I could not understand why or for who that car was purchased - a professional always did the taxes and I expect I didn't even see the taxes for that yr....he just provided me an allowance for making his appointments but I did not actually sell in Wym or in ALa. I was licensed but only made the appointments. All I did was sign the thing (if I had known then what I know today - hell no)!
ANYONE get the picture at all - this was a man ready to RUN and he put distance between me and himself for over 2 months. - I didn't actually KNOW where he was.
He was afraid I would connect the money find and Cooper to him. He may also have used some of the money when we returned from Wa to Ft.Collins in Oct of 1979. He had bought the OLDs and we had a BIG Christmas.
It was the great snow in WY when he made the trip to LANDON....to see Richard Petersen. Wonder what was in the package he left on Paperlegs door. Seems like we made that trip in Jan or Feb of 1980...I do not clearly remember when we made the trip - just know there was a BIG SNOW and a huge front. End of 1979 or beginng of 1980.
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Feb 1, 2013, 9:41 PM
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I'm not sure you can assume the real DBC wouldn't joke about being a suspect, especially after he'd been cleared by an FBI DNA test. He might be an ironic double psych kind of guy who would get a kick out of it.
Sheridan Peterson might be that kind of guy.
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Agree...or simply may even be doing it precisely assuming most people would also think the way Blevins does on it!
Well...neither of YOU fell for it, right?
He only joked about it once. His posts that are publicly available about being a Cooper suspect are usually straight denials. One BIG clue that might reveal his whereabouts (with additional facts within it that might be verifiable) is his BOOK. If he gives enough dated material surrounding his activities in 1971, it might be possible to establish his true whereabouts at the time of the hijacking. In his bio provided to the Windsor school district when he ran for a school board post, he does discuss briefly his activities from about 1970 to some time after the hijacking. Children born in Nepal. His being there for their birth, etc. Also...he says in an internet post more recently that he was in Vietnam at the time of the crime. If he was in Vietnam, he was working somewhere. You couldn't exist there in 1971 without some income. The war and all.
All of this might be settled by doing an inquiry with Seattle FBI's Curtis Eng regarding Sheridan's whereabouts on 11/24/71. Or...by examining the full text of his book, which might reveal details that could be checked.
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