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goingdown31  (B 37833)

Jan 23, 2013, 11:35 AM
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I'm thinking about choosing between these two for my next canopy. Just thought I would get some feed back from you guys on a good intermediate canopy.

Which one do you like better?


theonlyski  (D License)

Jan 23, 2013, 12:24 PM
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In reply to:
I'm thinking about choosing between these two for my next canopy. Just thought I would get some feed back from you guys on a good intermediate canopy.

Which one do you like better?

I love my SAFIRE2 169

MUCH more than I liked mySabre2 170


goingdown31  (B 37833)

Jan 23, 2013, 12:47 PM
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How were the openings, turns, flare between the two?


theonlyski  (D License)

Jan 23, 2013, 12:49 PM
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How were the openings, turns, flare between the two?

The Safire opens WAY better, turns felt just a tad less zippy and I think the Safire might have just a touch more flare.


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Jan 23, 2013, 12:52 PM
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What did you think when you demoed them? Because that's really the opinion that matters most. Smile


goingdown31  (B 37833)

Jan 23, 2013, 1:12 PM
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I haven't tried either of them yet. I'm going to get another hundred or so under my belt before I downsize. I just wanted some opinions of other people. I do plan on demoing(is that a word?) both before I decide though.


SEREJumper  (D 29555)

Jan 23, 2013, 2:15 PM
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Ditto, demo them both.

Also, PD publishes flight characteristics for all their canopies that you can do some research from.

Look under the "Flight Characteristics" tab here for the Sabre 2.

http://performancedesigns.com/products.asp?product=sa


Premier rwieder  (C 32349)

Jan 23, 2013, 2:25 PM
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Your flying a 210^2 Pilot now. What size canopy were you thinking about flying next. At 124 jumps, this has to be a very intelligent decision on your behalf. I'm confident that you will make an intelligent choice. From my experience, I would select the Saffire over the Sabre, I've never flown a Sabre I really liked.


goingdown31  (B 37833)

Jan 23, 2013, 2:39 PM
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Just to a 190/189 which ever I decide. USPA recommendations are 1.2 for a C-licence and I will be at 1.21 under a 190 unless I gain a lot of weight by then. If I don't feel confident under a 190 when I try them I won't do it.


DocPop  (C License)

Jan 23, 2013, 2:59 PM
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I love my SAFIRE2 169

MUCH more than I liked mySabre2 170

That's because of your aggressive downsize!


DocPop  (C License)

Jan 23, 2013, 3:00 PM
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What did you think when you demoed them? Because that's really the opinion that matters most. Smile

That's the only useful answer to your question.


DocPop  (C License)

Jan 23, 2013, 3:02 PM
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Just to a 190/189 which ever I decide. USPA recommendations are 1.2 for a C-licence and I will be at 1.21 under a 190 unless I gain a lot of weight by then. If I don't feel confident under a 190 when I try them I won't do it.

The recommendations usually state a MAXIMUM of 1.2 at 200 jumps, not that it is recommended to fly a WL of 1.2 - big difference.


goingdown31  (B 37833)

Jan 23, 2013, 3:07 PM
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Still within the recommendationsCool


DocPop  (C License)

Jan 23, 2013, 4:01 PM
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Still within the recommendationsCool

Cool. Crack on then. As long as you understand the way they are written.


uberchris  (A License)

Jan 23, 2013, 4:39 PM
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how is the front riser pressure between the safire2 and the sabre2, at say a 1.5 WL?

how do the canopies react to harness input?

im about to make a huge decision, ive already flown sabre2's but im going to be demoing a safire2 and a pilot..........


DocPop  (C License)

Jan 24, 2013, 7:07 AM
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In reply to:
how is the front riser pressure between the safire2 and the sabre2, at say a 1.5 WL?

how do the canopies react to harness input?

im about to make a huge decision, ive already flown sabre2's but im going to be demoing a safire2 and a pilot..........

All the above canopies are in a similar "class". Really the only way for you to decide which is right for you is to do what you're doing and demo them and decide which one you personally like best.


piisfish

Jan 24, 2013, 7:17 AM
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I like Safire2 better Smile


AdamUSN  (A 57465)

Jan 24, 2013, 8:44 AM
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I have a Saber2 170. It opens slowly and I have found that it opens nearly identical every time. Bad body position seems to cause it to open off heading. I have had very consistent openings with it. The end cells are nearly always collapsed but it responds well to riser turns even though and and a quick flare with the rises opens them right up. The canopy is zippy and fun to play with. It is my first Canopy so you have to get used to the landings. I find that it likes to glide rather than flare but I like it.

Sorry that I do not have a lot of input on the choice but like mine. It is way better than whatever I used for a student canopy!! I have over 100 jumps on my Saber2.

Adam


BIGUN  (D 23385)

Jan 24, 2013, 7:41 PM
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Demo both while doing these for each one:

http://www.dropzone.com/...ng_Checklist_47.html


DocPop  (C License)

Jan 25, 2013, 6:54 AM
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Demo both while doing these for each one:

http://www.dropzone.com/...ng_Checklist_47.html

Top tip. Smile


goingdown31  (B 37833)

Jan 26, 2013, 4:11 AM
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That's some good info thanks man.

Blues


theplummeter  (C License)

Feb 22, 2013, 8:18 PM
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When I was looking for a 170-ish canopy I got to jump a Sabre2 170, Safire2 169, and a Fusion 175. The three were very nearly identical to each other in terms of response/turn rate. The Safire had the best openings of the three. The flare point was highest on the Sabre, lowest on the Safire, and the Fusion was in the middle in terms of toggle stroke for the flare, but the Fusion felt like it had the most flare. Flying just a standard pattern the Fusion also felt the fastest, but also planed out to the slowest speed before I put my feet down. It might be worth including in your demoing, I ended up buying a Safire because I had less than two weeks before a big trip but would have been happy with any of the three.

Edited to add:

Performance Designs will be the most expensive but hold its value,
Icarus will be in the middle of the price range and also hold its value,
Precision will be the cheapest of the three but generally don't resale as high as the other two if that's a consideration for you.


(This post was edited by theplummeter on Feb 22, 2013, 8:21 PM)


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Feb 22, 2013, 8:42 PM
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Safire2 by far and away.


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Feb 22, 2013, 8:50 PM
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That's some good info thanks man.

Blues


...except for the high performance turn recommendation.


ChrisD  (No License)

Feb 23, 2013, 11:10 AM
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Wink

You buying new?

NZ 3-6 weeks custom.
PD 12-18 weeks custom. (variable.)

C


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