Forums: Skydiving: Tandem Skydiving:
tandem postion??

 

First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All

promise5

Jan 16, 2013, 9:39 PM
Post #1 of 42 (2156 views)
Shortcut
tandem postion?? Can't Post

I hope you don't mind my asking because I would seriously like to know.
If I've done a tandem and didn't "freak out" in a strange way.
Why isn't it possible to do a tandem where I can face the instructor?


piisfish

Jan 16, 2013, 11:37 PM
Post #2 of 42 (2125 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

it CAN be possible, not everybody would do it though...
the only ones I have seen done like that were skydivers "in front", not just "1 tandem wonders" Tongue


promise5

Jan 17, 2013, 1:54 AM
Post #3 of 42 (2098 views)
Shortcut
Re: [piisfish] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
it CAN be possible, not everybody would do it though...
the only ones I have seen done like that were skydivers "in front", not just "1 tandem wonders" Tongue
Alright, next question. Are there rules against it?


piisfish

Jan 17, 2013, 3:11 AM
Post #4 of 42 (2082 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

if the rule is "you should follow the manufacturer's manual/user's guide", then it certainly goes against all what is written in the manuals.
just remember that your body offers different flexibilty and tweaking possibilites when turned the other way round...


davelepka  (D 21448)

Jan 17, 2013, 4:33 AM
Post #5 of 42 (2064 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

Quote:
Why isn't it possible to do a tandem where I can face the instructor?

While it may be possible, the harness was not designed to work that way. It would require modification and/or an unusual fitment for it to work.

Tandem was designed as a training tool, to allow students to make a skydive with an instructor present for the entire jump. Due to that, the student faces forward as if they were in a stable arched position.

No offence, but just go make a jump. The range of people who have done tandems spans every type of person you could imagine. From 5 yrs old to 95 yrs (maybe older), people with every physical disabaility you could imagine, to include a guy with no arms and no legs.

Just go to the DZ, and make a regular tandem jump, like everyone else. Maybe you like it and want to jump again, maybe you're terrified and you vow to never leave the ground again after you land. In either case, you did it, and you can still post here and tell us all about it.


potatoman  (Student)

Jan 17, 2013, 4:45 AM
Post #6 of 42 (2057 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

Sure if you go naked you might find a lot of guys willing to take you up.

You can do, but:
check on slow motion tandem vids, specifically the opening shock. Your legs swing up rapidly. Now, do this in reverse, your back would take the strain.
Your arms too would move the shock to your back. Your view would be pretty much that of the instructor.
Another, would be a landing. You won't be able to lift your legs, so either get a guaranteed standup landing, or brace yourself.

Wonder if one could do it upside down relative to the instructor? Crazy


al05r  (C 106527)

Jan 17, 2013, 6:08 AM
Post #7 of 42 (2029 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope you don't mind my asking because I would seriously like to know.

Why would even want to do that ? If you just want to stare at some dude in the face for 5-7 mins, do it on the ground.

If you want to jump out of a plane, there are effectively 3 ways: SL, AFF and regular old tandem. For all of them, we've learned how to do them properly by watching people who didn't get mangled or die.

Simples


diablopilot  (D License)

Jan 17, 2013, 6:13 AM
Post #8 of 42 (2028 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
I hope you don't mind my asking because I would seriously like to know.
If I've done a tandem and didn't "freak out" in a strange way.
Why isn't it possible to do a tandem where I can face the instructor?

The harness was not designed to fit the human body in that way.

So,

The safety margins are compromised too much.

So,

It's against the rules.

Because,

It's not safe.


promise5

Jan 17, 2013, 6:16 AM
Post #9 of 42 (2024 views)
Shortcut
Re: [al05r] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

It came up in conversation.
It's winter here so doing a tandem has to wait a bit. Smile
But thanks for the responses


(This post was edited by promise5 on Jan 17, 2013, 6:26 AM)


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Jan 17, 2013, 9:01 AM
Post #10 of 42 (1966 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
It's winter here so doing a tandem has to wait a bit. Smile
Road trip down the coast to Florida. Smile


TheCaptain  (D License)

Jan 17, 2013, 9:51 AM
Post #11 of 42 (1947 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

It would be unsafe in alot of aspects, harness fit, and most importantly body position for landing.
I sure hope this is not about your other thread "just venting"


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Jan 17, 2013, 10:03 AM
Post #12 of 42 (1942 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

You've had lots of people tell you why it's not a good idea.

My only question is why would you want to do a tandem that way?


Southern_Man  (C License)

Jan 17, 2013, 10:07 AM
Post #13 of 42 (1938 views)
Shortcut
Re: [potatoman] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:

Wonder if one could do it upside down relative to the instructor? Crazy


Hmmm, that would make an interesting landing...Crazy


JohnSherman  (D 2105)

Jan 17, 2013, 10:41 AM
Post #14 of 42 (1924 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

Let me tell you a story.
Norman Kent had a photo mission to film a tandem jump of Bill Booth and Connie Simpson. This was for an advertising campaign. Norm went with Vector Tandem master Nancy LaRiviere. Norm carried a Bolex camera wedged between him and Nancy. Norm wore the passanger backwards and assumed the "Missionary Position" for the jump.
Out the door Nancy tossed the drogue and it barber polled around Norms leg, which if you think about the configuration, was sticking straight up.
They had a "Jack the Ripper" knife and they spent the next 10,000 feet trying to cut the drogue bridle. Nancy was holding the bridle as Norm was trying to cut it. At 3,000 feet Nancy let go of the bridle and pulled the reserve hoping it would clear. It did.
I met them as they landed. The kevlar from the bridle was jamed between the blades of the knife rendering it useless.
We learned 2 things from this jump. Don't use a kinfe with a straight blade and don't stick you legs up straight if you are doing it missionary style.


promise5

Jan 17, 2013, 11:06 AM
Post #15 of 42 (1912 views)
Shortcut
Re: [NWFlyer] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
You've had lots of people tell you why it's not a good idea.

My only question is why would you want to do a tandem that way?
It just came up in a conversation and I thought I would ask here. SmileSmilereally that's all it was


promise5

Jan 17, 2013, 11:11 AM
Post #16 of 42 (1903 views)
Shortcut
Re: [TheCaptain] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
It would be unsafe in alot of aspects, harness fit, and most importantly body position for landing.
I sure hope this is not about your other thread "just venting"
TongueNope


pchapman  (D 1014)

Jan 17, 2013, 11:31 AM
Post #17 of 42 (1896 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
Why isn't it possible to do a tandem where I can face the instructor?

Based on your photo, I wouldn't expect much objection to doing it face to face. Mind you, the only face to face tandem I did was with another guy. Frown (This was an experienced jumper, he wore his own rig, we deployed after a short freefall, and we unhooked and dropped him -- so he could do RW with another buddy doing the same.)

To keep the stresses on the harness the same as normal, he just wore the passenger harness backwards. A little more uncomfortable but doable.

We didn't have to deal with the landing. Although the passenger does tend to hang lower than the instructor, it shouldn't be that big a deal with a cooperative passenger especially if the winds are more than minimal.

As for the manuals, they show one way to harness up a passenger -- which one might therefore interpret as the only way -- but don't specifically prohibit other ways. They prohibit lots of other things in writing but even then it is up to you do decide which rules are to be broken -- especially when we are talking about having fun as skydivers and not acting as professionals taking up unsuspecting members of the public. Opinions vary.


jimjumper  (D 11137)

Jan 17, 2013, 12:16 PM
Post #18 of 42 (1877 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

It's been done for the movies before. Check out "Terminal Velocity" and there is some backwards tandem footage in it. Uncomfortable and the landings were interesting to say the least.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Jan 18, 2013, 1:10 AM
Post #19 of 42 (1767 views)
Shortcut
Re: [jimjumper] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
It's been done for the movies before. Check out "Terminal Velocity" and there is some backwards tandem footage in it. Uncomfortable and the landings were interesting to say the least.

2 friends of mine (both TIs) did a couple jumps like that for a Dutch movie. Unlike the usual "Mr Bill tandem" where the passenger jumps off after opening, they had to land like that, all dressed up for the movie too. The female TI on front was heard on video right before landing: "Danny, if you *hurt* me on landing...!!!!!!!" Laugh


stratostar  (Student)

Jan 18, 2013, 5:18 AM
Post #20 of 42 (1722 views)
Shortcut
Re: [JohnSherman] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

You forgot the part about, facial expressions in the landing area, shorts were changed and backs patted, many a beers were had with repeated telling of NSTIWTIWGTD.....Wink


Andy9o8  (D License)

Jan 18, 2013, 10:32 AM
Post #21 of 42 (1668 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

From another thread, I'm guessing at your reason for posting and considering this, but it's none of my business, so I'll keep it to myself. At any rate, I imagine the opening shock might be biomechanically similar to a terminal velocity opening of a chest-mounted reserve - which I have experienced. It hurt - hyperflexed my spine; and my spine was only 21 years old at the time. And hard openings do occasionally happen on tandems. And then, yeah, there are the landing issues, too. Not something I'd recommend other than with a more experienced jumper as pax.


Andy9o8  (D License)

Jan 19, 2013, 3:30 PM
Post #22 of 42 (1565 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Andy9o8] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

Quote:
hyperflexed my spine;
Oops, I think I meant to say hyperextended.
I'm bending over backwards to get this right.


(This post was edited by Andy9o8 on Jan 19, 2013, 3:30 PM)


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Jan 19, 2013, 10:05 PM
Post #23 of 42 (1543 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Andy9o8] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
Quote:
hyperflexed my spine;
Oops, I think I meant to say hyperextended.
I'm bending over backwards to get this right.
LaughLaugh I've pulled a front mount reserve. Definitely a hell of an experience. Crazy


promise5

Jan 19, 2013, 10:13 PM
Post #24 of 42 (1532 views)
Shortcut
Re: [Andy9o8] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:
Quote:
hyperflexed my spine;
Oops, I think I meant to say hyperextended.
I'm bending over backwards to get this right.
Sooooo I should get better at yoga??lol


skydiverbry  (D License)

Jan 19, 2013, 10:26 PM
Post #25 of 42 (1523 views)
Shortcut
Re: [promise5] tandem postion?? [In reply to] Can't Post

By facing the instructor you'll miss on extraordinary given it's your first jump.....or maybe not depending on how goodlooking you find the TIWink





Bry


First page Previous page 1 2 Next page Last page  View All

Forums : Skydiving : Tandem Skydiving

 


Search for (options)