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HUPRA  (D 5203)

Jan 5, 2013, 6:58 PM
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Not much information on this incident as yet, condolences to the family.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-20924580


fcajump  (D 15598)

Jan 5, 2013, 7:02 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/...ide-central-20924580

condolences.




irishrigger  (D 297)

Jan 6, 2013, 6:28 AM
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from what i hear it was a hop and pop, he had line twist and cut away very low. i am not sure if the reserve was pulled, or if it had enough time to open.


babz  (C 107663)

Jan 6, 2013, 11:16 AM
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Sounds like what the Daily Fail are reporting..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...fails-open-jump.html

Condolences to his family and friends.


smokeypete  (C 37374)

Jan 7, 2013, 10:52 AM
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Does anyone know if he had an AAD?

Again, condolences


Scrumpot  (D License)

Jan 7, 2013, 11:55 AM
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Low cutaway from linetwists is not the arena for an AAD.
From an earlier post:
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he had line twist and cut away very low. i am not sure if the reserve was pulled, or if it had enough time to open.

Not sure what you're looking for in light of this, out of this question.

What if he did?


(This post was edited by Scrumpot on Jan 7, 2013, 11:57 AM)


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jan 7, 2013, 2:55 PM
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>Does anyone know if he had an AAD?

It likely did not matter. Experience has shown that cutaways from below about 1200 feet will not give AAD's enough time/airspeed to fire. An RSL can make the difference in such situations.


humanflite  (D 99999)

Jan 8, 2013, 6:09 AM
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In reply to:
>Does anyone know if he had an AAD?

It likely did not matter. Experience has shown that cutaways from below about 1200 feet will not give AAD's enough time/airspeed to fire. An RSL can make the difference in such situations.

Makes a lot of sense.
It seems he was jumping a new rig with a new sabre 2 in it going on FB profile (pics from mid december 2012)

http://www.facebook.com/...p;type=3&theater

the rig was a Teardrop superfly by the look of it which do not have an RSL.

Very sad. BSBD David and condolences to your family


rifleman  (Student)

Jan 8, 2013, 5:29 PM
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TSE Superfly's do use a Stevenson Lanyard. Attached is a diagram from the superfly user manual showing the installation.
Attachments: sf_rsl.jpg (130 KB)


Premier Remster  (C License)

Jan 8, 2013, 6:21 PM
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In reply to:
TSE Superfly's do use a Stevenson Lanyard. Attached is a diagram from the superfly user manual showing the installation.

The photo posted of the jumper seems to indicate that there is no rsl on his rig.


nigel99  (D 1)

Jan 8, 2013, 9:04 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
TSE Superfly's do use a Stevenson Lanyard. Attached is a diagram from the superfly user manual showing the installation.

The photo posted of the jumper seems to indicate that there is no rsl on his rig.

The RSL configuration on a Teardrop is horrible. I really don't like the way that the RSL pulls the reserve cable 'upwards'.

Does anybody know how high the hop and pop was from, wingloading etc?


humanflite  (D 99999)

Jan 9, 2013, 1:26 PM
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In reply to:
TSE Superfly's do use a Stevenson Lanyard. Attached is a diagram from the superfly user manual showing the installation.

I should have said they don't come with an RSL as standard. And the one in the picture above doesn't have one. TSE can add one, but it's a gnarly looking setup... (superb rigs though. I've had two. Neither had an RSL)


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Jan 13, 2013, 8:56 AM
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I can see that his rig has a D-ring reserve handle, very easy to grab and pull, as opposed to the soft handles. Do you think he "free fell to get stable" after cutting away? Or had trouble finding the handle?

With 100 jumps under his belt, he may not have ever had a cutaway before. Does anyone know how he was trained?

We train "find both handles, grab both handles, arch, cutaway, pull reserve".
Many places train "two hands, cutaway, find reserve, two hands, pull reserve." We all know that when you cutaway and drop back into freefall, it can get weird. Already having a good grip on your reserve handle can be a real lifesaver.

Once again, an RSL could have saved a life. I wish more people would consider using them.

My condolences to friends and family left behind. Unsure


(This post was edited by JohnMitchell on Jan 13, 2013, 8:57 AM)


flipper  (D 11524)

Jan 14, 2013, 1:52 AM
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Does anyone know how he was trained? - AFF @ Spanish DZ

No RSL fitted
Vigil AAD in place


ChrisD  (No License)

Jan 14, 2013, 9:02 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
TSE Superfly's do use a Stevenson Lanyard. Attached is a diagram from the superfly user manual showing the installation.

The photo posted of the jumper seems to indicate that there is no rsl on his rig.

My Condolances,...


Ditto the very sad pictures,...There is plainly visable the RSL tab from his student AFF pictures, however can someone find a recent picture proving yes/no??
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babz  (C 107663)

Jan 14, 2013, 9:43 AM
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The link humanflight posted to Facebook shows him at the DZ 15th Dec 2012, which I believe is the one they are referring too.


flipper  (D 11524)

Jan 15, 2013, 12:36 AM
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I can confirm that there was no RSL fitted to the rig


gregpso  (Student)

Jan 15, 2013, 2:05 AM
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No RSL fitted to rig.. Enough said. Tragic Horrible news


(This post was edited by billvon on Jan 15, 2013, 8:35 AM)




Longbow1415  (D License)

Jan 15, 2013, 4:17 AM
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I just think we have more to come from this sad tale. Even if he did cut away around 1000ft and had no RSL he still should have had a reserve above his head in time. I think the comment trying to get stable before pulling his reserve may be a big factor here. Also what about a canopy transfer, risky i appreciate but at super low level its a good option...if you know what you are doing.


shorehambeach  (C License)

Jan 15, 2013, 5:14 AM
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Longbow.

Noob question - whats a canopy transfer ?


splat123  (C License)

Jan 15, 2013, 7:23 AM
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In reply to:
Longbow.

Noob question - whats a canopy transfer ?

Think he is referring to opening reserve under malfunctioning main. Then cutting away main after (or landing both), generally most think it's a bad idea.
But could save you in worst case situation.

Condolences to all involved.


(This post was edited by splat123 on Jan 15, 2013, 7:28 AM)


flipper  (D 11524)

Jan 15, 2013, 7:24 AM
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In reply to:
Even if he did cut away around 1000ft and had no RSL he still should have had a reserve above his head
In reply to:

The cutaway took place at appx 400ft


shorehambeach  (C License)

Jan 15, 2013, 9:27 AM
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Thanks Splat123.

BSBD


(This post was edited by shorehambeach on Jan 15, 2013, 12:07 PM)


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