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377  (F 666)

Dec 10, 2012, 4:46 PM
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Mr Shutter wrote:
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maybe I should change my project name to the "Enterprise" and boldly go where one man has gone before

One man has gone there before, and it was no simulation.

377


RobertMBlevins

Dec 10, 2012, 4:52 PM
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...Marla sheet-pulling

Care to explain that term Robert? Wink

377

Catching her cheesy Facebook postings, catching her switching up the dropzone her father allegedly told her from Oregon to Washington, (after being reminded about the money on Tena Bar) switching the vehicle from an MG to 'maybe they drove a truck,' when reminded about Forest Service roads in wintertime....stuff like that. There's more.

The term 'pulling the sheets' on someone refers (in a general way) to revealing someone's BS.


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mrshutter45

Dec 10, 2012, 5:01 PM
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maybe I should change my project name to the "Enterprise" and boldly go where one man has gone before

One man has gone there before, and it was no simulation.

377

very perceptive......


377  (F 666)

Dec 10, 2012, 5:06 PM
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Farflung has proved again and again, by providing concrete examples, that whuffo skyjackers can make a jet jump and land alive.

I continue to ignore this evidence and focus on the perfectly qualified candidates such as Ted Braden and Sheridan Peterson. Why do I act irrationally?

In an earlier post I wrote
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The Cooper story created a huge buzz in the skydiving community (in 1971). The consensus was that he HAD to be a jumper and it was just a matter of figuring out which one. Speculation ran wild and many names were thrown around. There was almost a hope that Cooper was a skydiver as it would be humiliating for something so wild and cool to have been successfully executed by a mere whuffo.

Although it would arguably reflect badly on the skydiving community if Cooper, a felon, turned out to be one of us, I bet in their hearts most jumpers hope that he was.

Many if not most old school jumpers kinda like the cool bad boy outlaw image of skydivers and DB Cooper sure nailed that one.

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RobertMBlevins

Dec 10, 2012, 6:07 PM
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Sure you don't mean 2008? The Amboy chute was found in February/March of 2008.






Amazon  (D License)

Dec 10, 2012, 6:27 PM
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Blevins wrote:
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...Marla sheet-pulling

Care to explain that term Robert? Wink

377

Catching her cheesy Facebook postings, catching her switching up the dropzone her father allegedly told her from Oregon to Washington, (after being reminded about the money on Tena Bar) switching the vehicle from an MG to 'maybe they drove a truck,' when reminded about Forest Service roads in wintertime....stuff like that. There's more.

The term 'pulling the sheets' on someone refers (in a general way) to revealing someone's BS.


I managed to drive from Priest Lake Idaho over to Sullivan Lake in North East Washington in late December back in the 1970's. I was trying to get over to Mettaline Falls after a long weekend party. I was driving my 1967 Austin Healy Sprite ( just an MG Midget with different badging) and pushing powder snow with the front of the car up to the headlights on it. Not one of the smarter decisions I ever made. That one kinda skeered me.. I did know where I was.. and had driven that road a bunch... but it was a pretty bad snow storm and had been dumping for most of the day.. and it was getting dark.


RobertMBlevins

Dec 10, 2012, 6:44 PM
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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. But it's a different story on Forest Service roads at night, in winter. The real point is that she was sure it was the Brit sports car...until she was reminded what it's like up there above 1,500 feet or so.

I guess we could argue the Marla Fable all day, but from what I was told by the folks at KickAss Oregon History, no one there believes her, plus she has backed off some of those claims lately, they say.

When the going gets tough, the tough do Avril Levigne doing Blink 182. Cool

If you met me, you'd never believe I actually like that song. It's on my iPod, though.


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Dec 10, 2012, 6:48 PM
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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. But it's a different story on Forest Service roads at night, in winter. The real point is that she was sure it was the Brit sports car...until she was reminded what it's like up there above 1,500 feet or so.

I guess we could argue the Marla Fable all day, but from what I was told by the folks at KickAss Oregon History, no one there believes her, plus she has backed off some of those claims lately, they say.

When the going gets tough, the tough do Avril Levigne doing Blink 182. Cool

If you met me, you'd never believe I actually like that song. It's on my iPod, though.

Try a LOT higher than 1500' http://binged.it/W1lbhU


RobertMBlevins

Dec 10, 2012, 7:52 PM
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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. But it's a different story on Forest Service roads at night, in winter. The real point is that she was sure it was the Brit sports car...until she was reminded what it's like up there above 1,500 feet or so.

I guess we could argue the Marla Fable all day, but from what I was told by the folks at KickAss Oregon History, no one there believes her, plus she has backed off some of those claims lately, they say.

When the going gets tough, the tough do Avril Levigne doing Blink 182. Cool

If you met me, you'd never believe I actually like that song. It's on my iPod, though.

Try a LOT higher than 1500' http://binged.it/W1lbhU

Is this a paved route with folks in snowplows doing clearing once in a while? Maybe you can make it over the bad spots using chains? On Forest Service roads, they are gravel and not maintained in winter. You get to a certain point off-road and you just aren't going any farther without a snowmobile. Marla forgot that...

The idea that you could find someone out there in the dark, in an area possibly covering thousands of square miles, is just beyond possibility. This is why I never bought into those theories about someone meeting Cooper out in the woods. Daytime, summertime, MAYBE...but it would take a long time, plus if you come down in the National Forests there's just no way to tell anyone your exact location without some type of tracking device. And even with that...locating someone in the Cascades, or even the lower areas? It's a job beyond belief. This is actually something I know pretty well. I've been exploring Forest Service roads for over forty years, mostly North and South Cascades and the Olympics. You can get lost out there permanently really easy. The only street signs out there are the occasional FS Road or Spur signs, and they are few and far between. Come down in the woods, not a road, and it gets worse. The only real directions in the area Cooper may have jumped are these: Go west and you'll eventually hit the freeway. Follow any river on the west side of the slopes and its the same thing. Go east and you end up deeper in the mountains.

I'm guessing Cooper may have gotten a general idea where he was on the way down, assuming he pulled the ripcord right off the stairs. (Lights from interstate 5 maybe, or he figured out which way was west on the way down and kept it in mind) Then he probably just walked out from there. If he was in a really bad spot, he probably waited for first light. Marla's tale about someone cruising Forest Service roads, picking up an uncle within a short time, and making it back to Sisters in the morning...well, let's just say it's a bit of a stretch.


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BruceSmith

Dec 10, 2012, 8:14 PM
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With the flurry of activity surrounding the case over the past couple of weeks, I've decided to reframe the opening chapter of my book. The new chapter is posted at the Mountain News, and if you'd like to take a look at it, I'd welcome your comments.

Thanks,

-Bruce

http://themountainnewswa.net/...ase-and-the-mystery/
I did read it. You need a good editor and a title change, that's my advice.

Ditch 'The Hunt for DB Cooper' since it's already been used by Geoff Gray.

Pro edit and format, six/nine paperback with B/W images, Amazon Kindle in color. This can be done by any number of people in the Puget Sound area. Smile

Thanks for your suggestions, Robert. I'll consider them. - BAS


georger

Dec 10, 2012, 8:49 PM
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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. .

"Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..."

Marilyn Monroe

That's nothin! I once had to read twelve long
RobertMBlevins posts in a row - was sick for a month.

Doc said: " Just call _____________ about that
____________ and that will cure the whole problem.
So I did!"

C LaughLaugh K


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Dec 10, 2012, 8:49 PM
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I once made it over Snoqualmie Pass in a snowstorm, driving a Corvair with four bald tires. But it's a different story on Forest Service roads at night, in winter. The real point is that she was sure it was the Brit sports car...until she was reminded what it's like up there above 1,500 feet or so.

I guess we could argue the Marla Fable all day, but from what I was told by the folks at KickAss Oregon History, no one there believes her, plus she has backed off some of those claims lately, they say.

When the going gets tough, the tough do Avril Levigne doing Blink 182. Cool

If you met me, you'd never believe I actually like that song. It's on my iPod, though.

Try a LOT higher than 1500' http://binged.it/W1lbhU

Is this a paved route with folks in snowplows doing clearing once in a while? Maybe you can make it over the bad spots using chains? On Forest Service roads, they are gravel and not maintained in winter. You get to a certain point off-road and you just aren't going any farther without a snowmobile. Marla forgot that...

The idea that you could find someone out there in the dark, in an area possibly covering thousands of square miles, is just beyond possibility. This is why I never bought into those theories about someone meeting Cooper out in the woods. Daytime, summertime, MAYBE...but it would take a long time, plus if you come down in the National Forests there's just no way to tell anyone your exact location without some type of tracking device. And even with that...locating someone in the Cascades, or even the lower areas? It's a job beyond belief. This is actually something I know pretty well. I've been exploring Forest Service roads for over forty years, mostly North and South Cascades and the Olympics. You can get lost out there permanently really easy. The only street signs out there are the occasional FS Road or Spur signs, and they are few and far between. Come down in the woods, not a road, and it gets worse. The only real directions in the area Cooper may have jumped are these: Go west and you'll eventually hit the freeway. Follow any river on the west side of the slopes and its the same thing. Go east and you end up deeper in the mountains.

I'm guessing Cooper may have gotten a general idea where he was on the way down, assuming he pulled the ripcord right off the stairs. (Lights from interstate 5 maybe, or he figured out which way was west on the way down and kept it in mind) Then he probably just walked out from there. If he was in a really bad spot, he probably waited for first light. Marla's tale about someone cruising Forest Service roads, picking up an uncle within a short time, and making it back to Sisters in the morning...well, let's just say it's a bit of a stretch.


Nope.. Logging roads. no plows at all EVER.. they do run a grader over the main roads up there after the spring rut season.


If it was me making that jump I would have gotten out of the area NOT to the west.. but to the east.. and come out at Trout Lake... just my opinion. All roads in that area... go up or go down, and little roads will eventually head down to a larger.. lower numbered FS road.. Finding a road is usually pretty easy if you go downhill. There is a main low number forest service road that heads over that way from the Lakes. Totally unexpected by the ground pounders who were out looking.


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georger

Dec 10, 2012, 8:58 PM
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I disagree with this statement. Suppose tomorrow a new person posted up here with 100% definitive proof on who was DB Cooper. I mean irrefutable evidence
The odds of that happening with YOU here is very
very low -

Nobody is going to dip ther good evidence in shit.

In my opinion, you have fouled Dropzone for a long
time to come. There has been discussion.

Jo also -

There really is a limit to what people will put up with.


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georger

Dec 10, 2012, 9:08 PM
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On Georger: He jumps on every post I make, no matter what it is. So IMHO his credibility, his opinions, mean zip to me. You have to pick and choose when to jump down someone's throat, and that should be for 'ridiculous assumptions' only, not because you just don't like someone. So I don't care what he says. That situation probably isn't going to get any better. We've both been banned twice now, mostly for arguing. These days I either ignore his posts, or respond to them in a comedic manner, rather than getting angry. Once in a while he brings up a sensible point on something without insults, and then I will answer that normally, more or less.
quite obviously its not in your interests to allow any
real discussions here - same with Jo.

so play your song and dance again, Marilyn. It
started with your tatack against Sluggo . . . and here
we are today with nothing changed. Gray was right
about you!

And nobody now cares -


RobertMBlevins

Dec 10, 2012, 9:35 PM
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On Georger: He jumps on every post I make, no matter what it is. So IMHO his credibility, his opinions, mean zip to me. You have to pick and choose when to jump down someone's throat, and that should be for 'ridiculous assumptions' only, not because you just don't like someone. So I don't care what he says. That situation probably isn't going to get any better. We've both been banned twice now, mostly for arguing. These days I either ignore his posts, or respond to them in a comedic manner, rather than getting angry. Once in a while he brings up a sensible point on something without insults, and then I will answer that normally, more or less.

quite obviously its not in your interests to allow any
real discussions here - same with Jo.

so play your song and dance again, Marilyn. It
started with your tatack against Sluggo . . . and here
we are today with nothing changed. Gray was right
about you!

And nobody now cares -
Grow up and stop blaming ME for everything on this thread. Have you ever considered the idea that your endless Alice-in-Wonderland nonsensical-based insults just MIGHT have something to do with the traffic dropoff? The idea that I somehow 'control' discussions here is ridiculous. Neither do you. Neither of us is the moderator, and he's banned both of us more than once. People who live in glass houses...pot calling the kettle black...etc.

Face facts. You spend the majority of your time here knocking on me. You already got caught once misquoting Gray, and you flew off the handle when I called you on it. I respect your Cooper History and what you may have done BEFORE. But I didn't know you BEFORE. It's what you do now that counts and the only thing lately is playing Blast Blevins on Anything.

Wait for Blevins to post and then more insults. You've developed a pattern that's been going on for a LONG time now. Even some of the other posters here have noticed and made comments about it. Christmas truce and all that. Damn, your hatred for me practically drips off my monitor. If I am part of this so-called 'problem' here, you are just as guilty. Maybe more.

By the way, my name is Robert. Marilyn Monroe is just someone I admire.
All you are doing with that is more closet name-calling. Typical, expected.
A bit juvenile.

I did like what you posted about calling Galen Cook on the phone when you get upset after reading my posts. Next time you call him, maybe suggest he researches out the names of the people who served with Gossett at Ft Lewis at the time of the hijacking...and urge him to question them. It's an easy thing to find out which unit Gossett served with, you know. He should have done this a decade ago.


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RobertMBlevins

Dec 10, 2012, 10:55 PM
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Amazon says in part:

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'Nope.. Logging roads. no plows at all EVER.. they do run a grader over the main roads up there after the spring rut season.


If it was me making that jump I would have gotten out of the area NOT to the west.. but to the east.. and come out at Trout Lake... just my opinion. All roads in that area... go up or go down, and little roads will eventually head down to a larger.. lower numbered FS road.. Finding a road is usually pretty easy if you go downhill. There is a main low number forest service road that heads over that way from the Lakes. Totally unexpected by the ground pounders who were out looking...'

That is very good and puts you in the Four Wheeler Hall of Fame. Trout Lake, yes...good destination. Might be tough in wintertime without proper gear though. I'll admit if you were equipped, they'd never find you if you went that way. On a Cooper angle, I've always thought he just headed toward wherever he saw big lights on the way down, if any. I like the idea that maybe he just did the Big Hike Out, too. No, I don't go with it, but it's cool to consider.


MarkBennett

Dec 10, 2012, 11:05 PM
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Credit where credit is due. Carr did not help start the forum on dropzone. It was Jo Weber. If you go back to the very beginning about half of the early posts were hers. She gradually drew in lots of other posters including Carr.




RobertMBlevins

Dec 11, 2012, 12:23 AM
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Credit where credit is due. Carr did not help start the forum on dropzone. It was Jo Weber. If you go back to the very beginning about half of the early posts were hers. She gradually drew in lots of other posters including Carr.

True enough. Insults not necessary. Cooper isn't my life. Stuff like this is. No worries, it's free.

I got dragged into the whole thing anyway. Smile




georger

Dec 11, 2012, 1:00 AM
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Credit where credit is due. Carr did not help start the forum on dropzone. It was Jo Weber. If you go back to the very beginning about half of the early posts were hers. She gradually drew in lots of other posters including Carr.

Total nonsense! Where do you guys come up with
total nonsense like this -

Ckret brought himself and a few others here (after a
number of discussions) specifically BECAUSE OF THE
SKYDIVER and PILOT community here; because
parachuting and the flight path are central in the DB
Cooper case.

Ckret wanted the opinions of the skydiver and pilot
community here.

This is stated clearly in the thread if you and others
would bother to READ THE THREAD as opposed to
making stuff up to make yourselves look important.

And following Ckret's departure here several people
were asked to stay here ... or at least monitor this
website.

Those are the facts whether you and Blevins and
Weber like it or not.

Jo Weber had absolutely nothing to do with Ckret
and others coming here, in fact at first people came
here thinking they could operate here in spite of Jo
Weber being here, but that was not to be, and she
did play a role in people leaving and closing down
the fact-giving at this website. And that is a fact.

Those are the facts.


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