I'm reminded of standing on the taxiway with you, waiting for a certain someone to return with the Cessna....and your cussing that he was going to run out of fuel!
Sounds like it landed in a field without incident.
Aren't you curious to know WHY it landed in a field?
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TK said it had nothing to do with skydiving, so it really is irrelevant here.
Um, not exactly. He said it wasn't a skydiving flight, which I take to mean that there were no jumpers aboard. Thank goodness for that.
However, that doesn't mean that it has no ramifications for the jump operations. It might be a plane that is used to carry jumpers at other times. And depending upon the cause of the forced landing, it may have a bearing upon aircraft maintenance or pilot judgement.
For example, if a pilot runs out of fuel in-flight due to forgetting to fill-up, wouldn't that make you less comfortable with riding that pilot's plane to altitude again in the future?
So, the jumpers who ride in that plane deserve to know what happened.
(This post was edited by CarpeDiem3 on Nov 26, 2012, 2:49 PM)
There were no jumpers aboard. NOT a skydiving incident.
When a jump plane has a malfunction, even when not being used to drop jumpers, it matters because it could have been a random happenstance that the problem occurred while not dropping jumpers. Or it was significant pilot error, which means a lot if it was a jump pilot. Or it was random, which doesn't matter much to us. Two out of three matter to the skydiving community.
There were no jumpers aboard. NOT a skydiving incident.
Owned by a DZ. Operated by employees of the DZ? Then it's skydiving related. It's the true risk management and threat to a jump pilot. I'm surprised this was moved. This type accident/report has always been left in Incidents. Phreezone? Billvon? Any info? Is this a shift in policy?
Ok if the plane was loaned to non DZ pilot for personal flight this could or could not be skydiving related.
The aircraft is a 182. Straight 182 from 1956. These older planes have a much higher unusable fuel per tank than most pilots are used to. An uninformed pilot "just hopping in" could very well think they have enough for a short hop when they don't. Was this to go up and look for cutaway gear? TK?
There were no jumpers aboard. NOT a skydiving incident.
It had a problem, there are three major possible causes:
1. Pilot error 2. Lack of MX 3. Something random and uncontrollable.
Since it IS a jump plane that is being used to fly jumpers, one that you might fly in some day or with that pilot..... Wouldn't it be nice to know if it was pilot error or lack of MX?
There were no jumpers aboard. NOT a skydiving incident.
It had a problem, there are three major possible causes:
1. Pilot error 2. Lack of MX 3. Something random and uncontrollable.
Since it IS a jump plane that is being used to fly jumpers, one that you might fly in some day or with that pilot..... Wouldn't it be nice to know if it was pilot error or lack of MX?
Incident - An occurrence, other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft that affects or could affect the safety of operations.
So yes, both were "incidents" as long as this plane wasn't damaged. In this case, shouldn't we be applauding the pilot for surviving?? we don't actually do anything but gossip here unproductively, do we? All you commenters are "experienced" pilots and skydivers, no? Then you want to know that it wasn't pilot error so what, you won't fly with that pilot anymore? Lets be real, how many jumpers actually go and interview pilots before getting aboard for a jump?
Even after we determine that if this was pilot error (NTSB says all 2/3 incidents are pilot error), then what? Anyone want to suggest piloting or maintenance techniques that pilots mechanics or jumpers want to try to prevent this from happening with jumpers aboard?
Seems we pilots can do a few things...
-know the weather and how its changing, stick fuel tanks, know the a/c systems better, good non-rushed preflights, stay calm when stuff does go wrong, know what to do when something goes wrong, PRACTICE power OFF approaches, never give up power off glide distance to somewhere which allows for a full stop landing or successful crash, learn from fu*k ups so you don't do that again!
Ok girls, resume non-productive, narcissistic gossiping procedures
we don't actually do anything but gossip here unproductively, do we? All you commenters are "experienced" pilots and skydivers, no? Then you want to know that it wasn't pilot error so what, you won't fly with that pilot anymore? Lets be real, how many jumpers actually go and interview pilots before getting aboard for a jump? 