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377  (F 666)

Nov 17, 2012, 6:49 AM
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It was in Colorado Duane found she had been using pot and this little sencario was his way of putting an end to it

The Duane Weber Drug Rehab Method: here child, lets smoke some dope together. Odd...

I am truly glad he took care of you and loved you Jo. That way you have some good memories to neutralize the bad ones left by a sociopathic liar, con man and thief.

I've been thinking about Duane's arrest record. I defended accused criminals for years. Junkies get arrested all the time because they steal and when they are high their judgement is shot. They are easy pickings for cops. Even the junkies didn't have 26 arrests. I was trying to recall the highest number of arrests any of my clients had and I can't recall any higher than 14.

26 arrests... Was there something in jail that Duane craved?

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377  (F 666)

Nov 17, 2012, 7:01 AM
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Greetings everyone,

Galen Cook annnounced this week that he has spoken with two men who claimed to have discovered money shards at Tina's Bar prior to Brian Ingram's find in Feb 1980. The details are up at the Mountain News.

http://themountainnewswa.net/...n-sleuths/#more-6158

It's a very intriguing story but I sure have a hard time believing that it wouldn't have been told to the FBI right after the Ingram find at Tena Bar. I mean it was front page national news. No way the boys or those who heard their story could have missed the Tena Bar story. So why would they keep their own earlier find a secret? People who have arrest warrants outstanding steer clear of cops but there is no indication that the kids had warrants.

Glad to see Galen is still in the hunt. He is not quitting the addiction. Good. Hope he pursues this alleged money find further. Can he get a plausible reason why the find was not reported to the FBI?

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Pat71

Nov 17, 2012, 7:21 AM
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D B Cooper was Colonel Hugh Gordon Waite. He was a paratrooper. He spoke French. He was a native of Oregon and is buried in Portland. He was an avid photographer and used a camera with a titanium shutter that would leave shard traces of titanium on the clip on tie he wore. There are pictures at his daughters web site of him wearing that tie. DB Cooper has never been identified because he lived after the crime.


Farflung

Nov 17, 2012, 8:53 AM
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Re: [RobertMBlevins] New evidence (see: 'whopper') about money find at Tena Bar [In reply to] Can't Post

RobertMBlevins states from the comfort of his parallel universe:

No shards. Never came forward until now? Fishermen, always got a whopper of a story, LOL. Without proof, it goes into the Cooper Fable Vault.”


Damn right sheriff! NO PROOF it is pure fable and fiction. Nothing more, you are a man of conviction.


RobertMBlevins reinforces his point with:

Let's face it, anyone could say today that they found a few shards…”


That’s for sure, ANYONE could say that. Just like anyone could say they were the first to drive four Clydesdales abreast, and without confirmation, only the most gullible and least intelligent would ever believe such a preposterous statement. Without proof, Dan Cooper comics would be in the ‘dayroom in Shemya in 1951’. Such detail to include the ‘dayroom’ because when something is pure bullshit, you might as well toss away the dignity, and make up a whole story around a pile of fiction. LOL is right RobertMBlevins, you can only laugh and ridicule such dense and unaware conduct. Even more humorous when the exact same thing has been committed by the person throwing stones.

Try and follow this whopper.

Someone decided the Cooper lore vault needed some more compost, so they fabricated a magical pile of tree stumps, which contained a bag of twenties, found by a couple kids! Can you believe that someone was so lacking in self respect, that they repeated that one?

Evidence you ask? NONE. Not one bill, shard, fragment, photo, police report, news article, names of the kids, names of their parents, nada, nuthin, zip. Not one piece of verification. But there was a single person who told the story. Yep, and the reason it’s true is because she lives in Boulder, Colorado (I still have no clue what that’s supposed to mean, but is has been repeated 29 times) and is married to a cop (I still have no clue what that’s supposed to mean, repeated 29 times also). That’s supposed to be evidence, oh my god, talk about LOL. But it gets better, well better if you have a sense of irony, but not much better if you believe these things or are the source, then it’s worse, you will probably deny and deflect any association. So I guess I was premature in assuming that it gets better, it gets more weirder, would have been more accurate.

So this shop owner, who never saw the ‘stump money’, wasn’t a witness to the find, didn’t own the property, wasn’t associated with the area at that time, BUT (and this is a huge BUT) had never met the woman from Boulder, Colorado…. AND told the same story! There’s your venom-proof, proof right there!

Yep, some shop owner repeats some lore, and rather than being identified as blatant hearsay, it metastasizes into being proof that the bag of twenties, found in the magical stump forest, actually happened.

LOL indeed.




377  (F 666)

Nov 17, 2012, 10:23 AM
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Jo,

Nothing in my post says Duane was a drug addict, and by the way pot is not addictive in the way that opiates are.

Believe it or not some cons prefer prison to outside and do stupid things to get back in. I was suggesting that Duane might have been one of those people.

Prison is the VERY LAST place a drug addict wants to go. Sure, drugs are available but quantities are very limited, prices are extremely high, and they can test you anytime they wish.

So calm down. I make you sick? OK, so be it. Live in your persistent delusion that Duane, the lying thieving sociopath, was a decent person, fine parent, a positive contributor to society... And that he successfully executed on of the most daring and innovative crimes of the 20th century.

If Duane Weber turns out to be DB Cooper I will shoot clean and cook a real crow. They abound in my neighborhood and a pellet gun is pretty quiet. I will then eat it. For real.

And if you think it is good parenting to offer illegal drugs to your kids you are so out of it that I don't know how to respond effectively.

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377  (F 666)

Nov 17, 2012, 11:24 AM
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DO NOT in any way suggest Weber had a drug problem OR you will find YOURSELF in court.

So sue me Jo. Lets say you could prove that I damaged Duane's reputation with a defamatory statement. The burden of proof for damages is on the plaintiff. Good luck on that one Jo.

Do you think you could convince a jury that his reputation was worth fifty cents? If you could you have missed your calling as a trial lawyer. Damaging Duane's reputation is legally similar to running into a parked derelict stripped out vandalized wreck of a car. Sure, the owner could sue you but the damages would be "de minimus" as the law books say.

You rant more about lawsuits than anyone on the forum. You'd better have a big stack of DBC twenties if you think you can finance litigation. Lawyers will strip your purse faster than Duane ever did with any of his victims.

I like you Jo but I do not think Duane was a good guy. I worked with over 100 "Duanes". Most of them had a "Jo" who swore that their mate was different from all the other crooks.

You see Duane as a basically benevolent person and at times even a hero. I don't share your opinion of his character or his abilities.


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RobertMBlevins

Nov 17, 2012, 11:25 AM
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RobertMBlevins states from the comfort of his parallel universe:

No shards. Never came forward until now? Fishermen, always got a whopper of a story, LOL. Without proof, it goes into the Cooper Fable Vault.”


Damn right sheriff! NO PROOF it is pure fable and fiction. Nothing more, you are a man of conviction.


RobertMBlevins reinforces his point with:

Let's face it, anyone could say today that they found a few shards…”


That’s for sure, ANYONE could say that. Just like anyone could say they were the first to drive four Clydesdales abreast, and without confirmation, only the most gullible and least intelligent would ever believe such a preposterous statement. Without proof, Dan Cooper comics would be in the ‘dayroom in Shemya in 1951’. Such detail to include the ‘dayroom’ because when something is pure bullshit, you might as well toss away the dignity, and make up a whole story around a pile of fiction. LOL is right RobertMBlevins, you can only laugh and ridicule such dense and unaware conduct. Even more humorous when the exact same thing has been committed by the person throwing stones.

Try and follow this whopper.

Someone decided the Cooper lore vault needed some more compost, so they fabricated a magical pile of tree stumps, which contained a bag of twenties, found by a couple kids! Can you believe that someone was so lacking in self respect, that they repeated that one?

Evidence you ask? NONE. Not one bill, shard, fragment, photo, police report, news article, names of the kids, names of their parents, nada, nuthin, zip. Not one piece of verification. But there was a single person who told the story. Yep, and the reason it’s true is because she lives in Boulder, Colorado (I still have no clue what that’s supposed to mean, but is has been repeated 29 times) and is married to a cop (I still have no clue what that’s supposed to mean, repeated 29 times also). That’s supposed to be evidence, oh my god, talk about LOL. But it gets better, well better if you have a sense of irony, but not much better if you believe these things or are the source, then it’s worse, you will probably deny and deflect any association. So I guess I was premature in assuming that it gets better, it gets more weirder, would have been more accurate.

So this shop owner, who never saw the ‘stump money’, wasn’t a witness to the find, didn’t own the property, wasn’t associated with the area at that time, BUT (and this is a huge BUT) had never met the woman from Boulder, Colorado…. AND told the same story! There’s your venom-proof, proof right there!

Yep, some shop owner repeats some lore, and rather than being identified as blatant hearsay, it metastasizes into being proof that the bag of twenties, found in the magical stump forest, actually happened.

LOL indeed.

Robert replies: Well, I'm glad that you agree that the shards on the river story is lacking.

I can also see that I'm somewhat more skilled than you at the interview process. In the case of Carolyn Tyner and Dan Rattenbury and the alleged money found out back of KC's house...there are a couple of differences.

First, I do try not to 'lead' witnesses. For example, when I interviewed Tyner, I didn't ask her: 'Was money in a plastic bag found out back of KC's house in a pile of stumps by a young boy, like Dan Rattenbury claims?' That falls under the Stupid Interviewing Technique program.

I just asked if she ever found any money after KC died. It was Tyner who filled in the details, and those details happened to match exactly with what Rattenbury claimed. The reason it's important that these two didn't know each other now becomes obvious.

Carolyn and her ex did not have a good relationship. He was emotionally abusive to her, she says. She met Robin Powell (see picture) while Robin was living in the house with KC and Brian McWilliams. She later moved into the house, and then married Robin.

She was pretty young at the time, and I got the idea she was mostly kept around for cooking and cleaning and doing the wifey stuff. She also says that after KC died, Robin spent time searching through KC's belongings. This was confirmed by Lyle Christiansen, who noticed all of KC's stuff had been rummaged through when he flew out from Minnesota. Luckily, all the REAL valuables were at the West One Bank in Sumner.

Sometimes, you have to look at the supporting evidence that might lend some credibility to a story. For example, we know that Carolyn was telling the truth when she said KC left them the house, but that the lot out back was left to McWilliams. And we know that Carolyn and Robin Powell sold the house not long after probate cleared, moved to Nevada, and never returned to Washington State. Rattenbury was still years away from owning that house. But when he bought it, he got this story from the previous owner. And that story had NOT been linked to Cooper because Christiansen didn't become a suspect until 2007. This means no one involved in this story had any motivation to make it up to somehow spice up the Cooper/Christiansen story...because it was seven years between the time Rattenbury bought the house and when KC became a suspect. In addition, Carolyn Tyner did not claim that she suspected KC was Cooper. She said she just did not know, but that her ex-husband and Kenny were pretty secretive and never told her anything they didn't have to. I've had the thought that someone else should do a more in-depth interview with her on her life with Robin in the years they were living with KC, since they and McWilliams were the last ones to live with him before he died.

After all of that, Carolyn Tyner's story from 1995 still confirms what Rattenbury said. In all, at least three people knew about this money. Rattenbury, Tyner, and whomever told Rattenbury, i.e. the previous owner of the house. This house was sold at least twice more between the time Robin and Carolyn sold it, and when Rattenbury bought it. It was changing hands like a busy one-dollar bill.

Carolyn was quite free with the details about her life with Robin Powell, living with KC, and her present life in Colorado. She was consistent, open, and I could find no reason to doubt her word on events. When people lie, the first thing you do is ask WHY. What would motivate them to lie? What do they have to gain or lose by lying? In Carolyn's case, I could find no motivation. She just told me what she knew and left it at that.

None of this proves absolutely that this money existed, or that it was part of the ransom, or that KC was the hijacker. I have said this. But it is interesting when added to the other evidence presented against Christiansen. The large estate, the hiding spot above his bedroom, his sudden wealth (1971 standards), the lies by Bernie Geestman, and other things.

Scott Rolle, the former state prosecutor who was a cast member on Decoded said that sometimes the KC story is like looking at a puzzle where some of the pieces are still missing. But he said if you stood back and looked at the entire picture, you could get a good idea on what KC was about. I tend to agree.

I'm not going to tell anyone that the occasional mistake wasn't made while doing this investigation. Sure there was. There was no comic on Shemya, and the horses driven by Margie Geestman were in fact DRAFT horses, not Clydesdales...although I don't see what that has to do with the case.

But now you have two guys down in the Tena Bar area who claim to have found shards of the money BEFORE Brian Ingram...but the famous money find by Ingram has been known for over thirty years. This is much different than a story of two or more people who didn't know each other, and were separated by a thousand miles who give the same story on a bag of twenties...and have no idea that this story could be associated with the Cooper case. What would be the motivation to make this up? There was no possible link to the hijacking between 1995-2007, yet the story persisted. That's 12 years between the time the money was allegedly found and when Cooper became a suspect. Then it became obvious that this story needed to be checked as closely as possible. It's still inconclusive, but the principal witnesses gave the same story even though neither had ever met.

I have a couple of final points, and they regard this case in general, as well as the many people who have worked on it:

1) Name one person or organization that hasn't made a mistake along the way while investigating the case. Or to reverse this, got everything right. If they had gotten everything right, the case would probably be solved by now.

2) Just because one item might be wrong, doesn't mean EVERYTHING is wrong. And in the case of things that have nothing to do with the identity of the hijacker, or solving the case, those 'wrong' items can be discounted anyway. They are off-point.


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Farflung

Nov 17, 2012, 11:58 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulI8xWuV8ic

I should have expected the tragedy to spread into the very fabric that is America. Apparently when the flagship of Hostess went down, it took Twinkies, Ding Dongs, Ho-Hos and the very gluten that binds this once great nation- Wonder Bread.

That’s right, Wonder Bread is but some more collateral damage brought on by debt laden Twinks, Dongs and Hos. Will this be the last of the bad news?

NO! For anyone who has had the good fortune to travel the nation (before $4 gas), and explore the diverse landscapes, histories and cuisines; you will no doubt be familiar with the Center Sanctum of Sauce, the Mecca of Mmmm, that little giant called Arthur Bryant of Kansas, City.

For decades men, women and children…. little children Mandrake…. have gathered to feast upon barbecue, which has clearly been rubbed by the very hand of God, before being served with Bryant’s own sauce and…. I hope I can finish….. and…. Wonder Bread, to create the perfect, All American munch.

Now that Wonder Bread is gone, we might as well remove the torch from the hand of liberty, pull the chair out from under Whistler’s Mother and convert the Grand Canyon to landfill.

I tried to rush to the grocery and stock up on hundreds and hundreds of loaves, but some low life hoarders already stripped the shelves bare. Now it looks like Russia and I thought we won the cold war, more like a Pyrrhic victory without the wonder of Wonder.

I don’t know what could possibly bring me out of this funk (Marla?).
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mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 12:31 PM
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Jo said:
26 arrests? I don't know where you got that information from - but, I have NOT been provided with such information from the FBI or legal sources.

Jo, how can you not see what we said a month ago as well as Agent Carr said about Duane.

Carr told you this:
Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.


RobertMBlevins

Nov 17, 2012, 1:13 PM
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Farf says in part:

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'I don’t know what could possibly bring me out of this funk (Marla?)...'

Marla might do it. Just ignore the story and don't ask her WHICH dropzone is right. Just agree with everything and you'll go far.

Failing that, eat at the place shown in the picture.
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mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 8:42 PM
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Jo, I don't really care who got information from who, the information the FBI has must be different than what you have?

what does Duane having a gun and released from the fuzz have to do with this crime? who is Doug? why is his word better than Carr or the FBI? I try real hard to follow this, but, you jump from comment to comment t
I have a very bad past that I am not proud of and Duane fits it very well, 99% of DZ approves this as well as the FBI, what does this tell you? I don't put any hatred into my findings and yet you reply with them? why is ok for you to say you know how the money got to the banks and yet Marla is full of shit? Duane's record tells a different story from outside of your view?

according to records, Marla is the niece of DB Cooper?
KC is DB Cooper?
LD Cooper is DB Cooper?
Gossett is Cooper?
McCoy is Cooper?
List is Cooper?
Dayton is Cooper?
Mayfield is Cooper?
Coffelt is Cooper?

all of these "stories" are all the same, they fail to put them on the plane or show any physical evidence!




mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 8:57 PM
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Jo says:
"Duane Weber is a mystery even to me"
how can you defend someone you don't know?

this is what the FBI has been saying as well as everyone one this thread has been saying Jo, hate to tell you?

the bottom line Jo was this....If you want more answers to your questions I have them.?????


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georger

Nov 17, 2012, 9:03 PM
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Georger I actually agree with your post even if I do not understand every point you are trying to make. Am I understanding Geoff did NOT have access to FBI files? I actually wondered about that at the time.

No. Geoff WAS given access to FBI files. At least
thats my understanding ...

Are you a Notre Dame fan?


mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 9:07 PM
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Jo, I can get Duane's past if I want to, but there is no reason for this request! should I need to do this with your 17 years of Experience? I thought you would have this down pat???

this kind of falls under a "twisty butt" clause

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mrshutter45

Nov 17, 2012, 9:45 PM
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seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr



I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

I guesd I'm drinking the "whine" of the un-fine!




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