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BMFin

Oct 23, 2012, 5:49 AM
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I would be interested to hear what do AFF instructors get paid at different DZs ?

Im not an instructor yet so I would be interested to hear also what are the different tasks:

1) holding a course
2) level jump
3) something else?

Thanks!

PS. I know there are some threads about this, but since many of them are so old, I thought of asking this once more.


(This post was edited by BMFin on Oct 23, 2012, 5:53 AM)


theonlyski  (D License)

Oct 23, 2012, 6:24 AM
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I would be interested to hear what do AFF instructors get paid at different DZs ?

Im not an instructor yet so I would be interested to hear also what are the different tasks:

1) holding a course
2) level jump
3) something else?

Thanks!

PS. I know there are some threads about this, but since many of them are so old, I thought of asking this once more.

You're probably not going to get a whole lot of responses from this one...

I get the same pay if I do a FJC, a level jump or a tandem video.

Tandem-I pays less unless you pack the rig yourself.


davelepka  (D 21448)

Oct 23, 2012, 7:02 AM
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In Finland? Can't help you there.

In the US, I've seen anywhere from $15 to $25 per strudent to teach the FJC, and between $25 and $35 for the actual jumps.


Mr_Polite  (D 420)

Oct 23, 2012, 12:29 PM
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FJC - $100 - $25 additional per person over 4

Jump - $25 to $45 per jump
$25 if you just do the jump
$35 if both instructors do prejump/debrief
$45 if you do both prejump/debrief alone

Other -
Packing lessons - Case of Beer
Addtional Ground Prep - No charge
Recurrency - unless it's a long one No Charge / beer


SEREJumper  (D 29555)

Oct 26, 2012, 11:47 AM
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$USD

FJC - $60 first person - $30 additional per person.

Jump 1-instructor
$30 if you just do the jump

Jump 2-instructors
$30 for main side (you do the complete briefing/debriefing)
$15 for reserve side


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Oct 26, 2012, 10:36 PM
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Our DZ pays $35 for main or reserve side, doesn't matter. We also split up and share the work instead of insisting one person do it all. Smile


psychoswooper  (D License)

Oct 27, 2012, 7:33 PM
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Our DZ pays $40 on 1 JM levels and
$40/$25 on 2 JM levels. JM who does ground
prep gets the $40


Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 4, 2012, 5:59 AM
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We need a union. It really is pathetic that since the early 90's pay has basically stayed the same. Impossible to make a living. Even worse it encourages instructors to spend less time with students so they can get on to the next jump.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Nov 4, 2012, 7:30 AM
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We need a union. It really is pathetic that since the early 90's pay has basically stayed the same. Impossible to make a living. Even worse it encourages instructors to spend less time with students so they can get on to the next jump.
In the late 70's it paid $10/student to teach the s/l FJC. That price continued into the late 90's. I think it pays $15/student now for the AFF FJC. I'm not sure because I only teach once a year. It's not worth my time. . . .Unsure


Premier WickedWingsuits  (D 30916)

Nov 4, 2012, 7:35 AM
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We need a union. It really is pathetic that since the early 90's pay has basically stayed the same. Impossible to make a living. Even worse it encourages instructors to spend less time with students so they can get on to the next jump.

If it were simply % based on what the student is paying it would always keep up with price increase on the DZ and remain a fair split.

I hope the Union idea is a joke!?


Mr_Polite  (D 420)

Nov 4, 2012, 10:06 AM
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You will make more with a union, too bad you'll have to pay the union 2x what your raise was. Unions don't work, look at the auto industry....


markovwgti  (D 29993)

Nov 4, 2012, 12:13 PM
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75 per person for fjc
60 each level we do one instructor afp


Krip  (Student)

Nov 4, 2012, 3:55 PM
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You will make more with a union, too bad you'll have to pay the union 2x what your raise was. Unions don't work, look at the auto industry....


Some people have bad feelings towards unions. But why call it a union. When the intructor rateing system was started by USPA it was just a weekend thing, putting out static lines. Now the DZ staff has grown into a full time gig, AFF, tandems etc.

The PIA part of USPA and it isn't union, it's a association.

DZ's aren't a union their group members.

Dentists, Dr's and Lawyers don't belong to unions they belong to professional organizations..

If the DZ staff wants to be treated like professionals, be paid a fair wage have their gear insured if it's stored at the DZ etc etc. Than they need to get organized at a national level.

USPA and the DZ's aren't going to do this for the DZ staff.
I heard about this thing called social mediaWink Maybe you all should try using it if you want to see some changes.Wink

Or you could just whine and continue working for whatever the DZ wants to pay you.

R.




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Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 5, 2012, 11:40 AM
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Oh Shit.

I was just kidding. Please dont start a movement against me for wanting to start USPA unions. lmao I have enough going on.

I am in the cold powerless house of mine just bored. But laughing how you have to watch whatever you say.


Premier WickedWingsuits  (D 30916)

Nov 5, 2012, 11:56 AM
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I kinda figured it was a joke but thanks for clarifying!


Mr_Polite  (D 420)

Nov 5, 2012, 4:24 PM
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And what exactly is social media doing to change anything?

You can try to start a professional organization (UNION) and fight for those higher wages you think you deserve. Add in some insurance for your gear, maybe a little health care and a 401k. Soon it's going to cost $1000 for an AFF level 1. Now you will have nobody coming to jump because it's a total rip off.

Being an instructor for most is a 2nd job typically used to cover the cost of jumping. If you decide to be a full time instructor and not work a real job that is on you. That doesn't mean you get all the benfits of a normal job.


Krip  (Student)

Nov 5, 2012, 5:00 PM
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And what exactly is social media doing to change anything?

You can try to start a professional organization (UNION) and fight for those higher wages you think you deserve. Add in some insurance for your gear, maybe a little health care and a 401k. Soon it's going to cost $1000 for an AFF level 1. Now you will have nobody coming to jump because it's a total rip off.

Being an instructor for most is a 2nd job typically used to cover the cost of jumping. If you decide to be a full time instructor and not work a real job that is on you. That doesn't mean you get all the benfits of a normal job.

Hi

I ont do social media: tweet, facebook, cell phone etc but from watching international news scoial media was given some of the credit for starting some of the political changes in the middle east, egypt. Like egypt.

I'm guessing social media could be used by the DZ worker bee's to discuss their concerns on a national or international level.

I don't know what you mean by a total ripoff, learning to jump will definatly be more expensive, but you get what you pay for.FWIW I was a fun jumper.

What do you consider a "normal job". Working on wall street, makeing the big bucks even if your pruduct is if a failur. Digging a dtch,, AMA Dr,, a stay at home mom,

BTW I don't argue.Smile

Have a nice day.

R.

R.


Mr_Polite  (D 420)

Nov 6, 2012, 3:59 AM
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Sorry but the only thing I hear you saying is "I want more money, I want more money". If you want more money start hucking tandems or get a real job. One that provides you with possible retirement benefits and health care. Keep raising the price of AFF and soon enough people will stop coming.


5.samadhi

Nov 6, 2012, 9:04 AM
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how much is AFF lvl 1 usually like 200 bucks? Well that is 3 slots for 75 dollars. Gear rental for 25 dollars, that leaves 100 dollars. 40 dollars each instructor and that leaves 20 dollars for the dropzone.

Levels with 1 instructor should reflect a 65 dollar drop in price (slot of instructor + instructor pay).

seems fair to me...isnt that how most dropzones work it out?


davelepka  (D 21448)

Nov 6, 2012, 9:13 AM
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If you want more money start hucking tandems or get a real job. One that provides you with possible retirement benefits and health care. Keep raising the price of AFF and soon enough people will stop coming.

I think you're confused, or intentionally posting unrelated topics.

There's a big difference between upping the per-jump pay of your instructors by a couple bucks, and offering a pension and health care. I agree that being a skydiving instructor is never going to be a 'real' job in that you can make a career out of it, feed your family, send your kids to college and retire, but that doesn't mean that the pay should stagnate for decades.

The work hasn't gotten any easier, but the pay is the same as is was 15 years ago. Living expenses, gear and rigging, and gas to drive to the DZ all cost more, and jumpers are still limited as to how many jumps they can make per day, so I don't think that a 'cost of living' increase is out of the question.

Maybe base it on seniority, once a guy has been working there for 2 or 3 seasons, bump them up a notch in pay. Once they hit 5 or 6 years, bump them again. Sure, it's costs more to send the senior staffers up on a jump, but those same people have been helping the DZ make money for years, and probably spending money there for longer.

Again, it's a long way from a pension and health care. Kicking in another $3 to $5 a jump for some of your dedicated employees isn't asking much.


(This post was edited by davelepka on Nov 6, 2012, 9:14 AM)


theonlyski  (D License)

Nov 6, 2012, 11:52 AM
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how much is AFF lvl 1 usually like 200 bucks? Well that is 3 slots for 75 dollars. Gear rental for 25 dollars, that leaves 100 dollars. 40 dollars each instructor and that leaves 20 dollars for the dropzone.

Levels with 1 instructor should reflect a 65 dollar drop in price (slot of instructor + instructor pay).

seems fair to me...isnt that how most dropzones work it out?

Most AFF level 1 prices include the FJC.


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Nov 6, 2012, 12:29 PM
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Oh Shit.

I was just kidding. Please dont start a movement against me for wanting to start USPA unions. lmao I have enough going on.

I am in the cold powerless house of mine just bored. But laughing how you have to watch whatever you say.

Pretty cool how you have internet with no power Tongue


Mr_Polite  (D 420)

Nov 6, 2012, 1:09 PM
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Confused is for sure a possibility Wink

I like your idea of the more seasoned instructors getting more pay. That makes sense. If you really want to make money skydiving the way to do it is video and tandems. I know instructors/video people that make well over $1000 a weekend. Granted this isn't every weekend due to weather and other factors but still that's good money for a weekend worth of work.

Kicking in a reasonable raise isn't a bad thing, i just get the impression from whats his face that he feels he is entitled to more than that.


Deisel  (D 31661)

Nov 6, 2012, 1:43 PM
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Great ideas but this is the wrong way to go. Leave the DZOs to run their bussinesses how they see fit. Leave the instructors to work where ever they see fit. A good DZO will take care of his/her staff, which doesnt always mean more money. If they dont, the staff is free to depart for greener pastures. This is what happenned to Detroit. The labor now costs more than the cars they produce.

I would vehemently oppose a labor union in any form. It would be the death of any DZ whose staff was short sighted and selfish enough to join a union. Other than lower insurance premiums, I see no reason for a union to exist and that can be done through other means. USPA has been wise to stay away from this issue.

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Para5-0  (D 19054)

Nov 7, 2012, 7:26 PM
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My laptop battery and a verizon wireless card. On a good note I now have power and will not complain any longer.


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