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craigbey  (C 31991)

Oct 23, 2012, 3:32 AM
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/...1022,0,4989108.story

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A twin engine plane that was about to land at an airport crashed on I-94 Monday evening near Racine, Wis., officials said.

A female passenger was hurt in the crash, but her injuries were not believed to be life-threatening, the Racine County Sheriff's Office reported.

The only other person aboard the plane, a male pilot, emerged unscathed. The 1968 Beecher aircraft sustained "extensive damage" but did not strike any vehicles on the highway, the sheriff's office reported.

Once on the ground, the aircraft blocked all three southbound lanes of the interstate.

The incident happened at about 6:30 p.m. on I-94 between Route 11 and Route 20 in the town of Yorkville, said FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory.

Sylvania Airport is adjacent to the highway near the scene of the accident, and officials said the plane had been attempting to land there.
According to FAA information, the plane is a fixed-wing multi-engine B90 model, registered to Direct Action Aviation LLC out of Reno, Nev.

Sky Dive Midwest lists a plane with the same tail number, N821DA on its website.


AggieDave  (D License)

Oct 23, 2012, 4:18 AM
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Via the interwebs:

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/...13a4.preview-620.jpg


kallend  (D 23151)

Oct 23, 2012, 5:06 AM
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The map in the Tribune article doesn't include I-94 at all, or the Sylvania airport. It appears to be quite irrelevant.


theonlyski  (D License)

Oct 23, 2012, 5:21 AM
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https://maps.google.com/...amp;z=16&vpsrc=6

Cut the final a little too short?

Looks like the southbound side of the highway is about 250-300' before the runway threshold. Wonder why the plane went down with so little room left to a uneventful landing.


Also, you can see canopies in the air in that pic. As well as someone fueling what looks like the plane in the accident. Cool


(This post was edited by theonlyski on Oct 23, 2012, 5:22 AM)


doogie  (D 14278)

Oct 23, 2012, 7:17 AM
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More detail...

http://www.journaltimes.com/...48-001a4bcf887a.html


V111pilot  (D License)

Oct 23, 2012, 8:59 AM
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http://www.todaystmj4.com/#91752371

More pics. Looks like it over ran runway 8 landing West to East


airdvr  (D 10977)

Oct 23, 2012, 9:09 AM
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http://www.todaystmj4.com/#91752371

More pics. Looks like it over ran runway 8 landing West to East


(This post was edited by airdvr on Oct 23, 2012, 9:10 AM)


diverdriver  (D 19012)

Oct 23, 2012, 4:59 PM
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From the FAA.


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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 821DA Make/Model: BE90 Description: BEECH 90
Date: 10/22/2012 Time: 2341

Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Substantial

LOCATION
City: STURTEVANT State: WI Country: US

DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT FORCE LANDED ON A HIGHWAY, STURTEVANT, WI

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 2 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:


OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER


FAA FSDO: MILWAUKEE, WI (GL13) Entry date: 10/23/2012


The weather reported at the time of the accident at KRAC Racine was:

KRAC 222327Z AUTO 18004KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 13/13 A2993 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E P0006

And KMKE Milwaukee:

KMKE 222329Z 00000KT 2SM +RA BR BKN002 OVC011 14/13 A2991 RMK AO2 P0015

And KUES Wakesha:

KUES 222345Z 03003KT 1 1/2SM RA OVC002 13/13 A2993

And KENW Kenosha:

KENW 222346Z 11006KT 3/4SM +RA BR SCT002 OVC011 14/13 A2991 RMK AO2 P0014

And KBUU Burlington:

KBUU 222355Z AUTO 00000KT 3SM -RA BKN001 OVC018 13/13 A2991 RMK AO2 P0001


Sylvania is not serviced by ANY instrument approach. As you can see, attempting some made up GPS approach was not the best thing to do. They are damn lucky they didn't get killed.


theonlyski  (D License)

Oct 23, 2012, 5:09 PM
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In reply to:
KRAC 222327Z AUTO 18004KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 13/13 A2993 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E P0006

Seriously? Guess that could explain running off the runway, pop out at 200' and try to save it.

Furthermore, just something I found interesting. They list both persons as crew, however there isn't even a co-pilot seat. What crew positions are there for a king air other than the pilot?


kallend  (D 23151)

Oct 23, 2012, 5:11 PM
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In reply to:
From the FAA.


Quote:
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 821DA Make/Model: BE90 Description: BEECH 90
Date: 10/22/2012 Time: 2341

Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Minor Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Substantial

LOCATION
City: STURTEVANT State: WI Country: US

DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT FORCE LANDED ON A HIGHWAY, STURTEVANT, WI

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 2 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:


OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER


FAA FSDO: MILWAUKEE, WI (GL13) Entry date: 10/23/2012


The weather reported at the time of the accident at KRAC Racine was:

KRAC 222327Z AUTO 18004KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 13/13 A2993 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E P0006

And KMKE Milwaukee:

KMKE 222329Z 00000KT 2SM +RA BR BKN002 OVC011 14/13 A2991 RMK AO2 P0015

And KUES Wakesha:

KUES 222345Z 03003KT 1 1/2SM RA OVC002 13/13 A2993

And KENW Kenosha:

KENW 222346Z 11006KT 3/4SM +RA BR SCT002 OVC011 14/13 A2991 RMK AO2 P0014

And KBUU Burlington:

KBUU 222355Z AUTO 00000KT 3SM -RA BKN001 OVC018 13/13 A2991 RMK AO2 P0001


Sylvania is not serviced by ANY instrument approach. As you can see, attempting some made up GPS approach was not the best thing to do. They are damn lucky they didn't get killed.

Indeed.

For those unfamiliar with METAR format, these are basically listing very low ceilings and visibilities (way below VFR conditions) at various airports in the area having weather reporting capability.


diverdriver  (D 19012)

Oct 23, 2012, 5:40 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
KRAC 222327Z AUTO 18004KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 13/13 A2993 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E P0006

Seriously? Guess that could explain running off the runway, pop out at 200' and try to save it.

Furthermore, just something I found interesting. They list both persons as crew, however there isn't even a co-pilot seat. What crew positions are there for a king air other than the pilot?

Pop out at 200'...but where? There is NO instrument approach to this airport. The runway is less than 2,300 feet long.

Apparently the right seat was installed. The passenger was extricated while still sitting in the seat.


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Oct 23, 2012, 6:01 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
KRAC 222327Z AUTO 18004KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 13/13 A2993 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E P0006

Seriously? Guess that could explain running off the runway, pop out at 200' and try to save it.

Furthermore, just something I found interesting. They list both persons as crew, however there isn't even a co-pilot seat. What crew positions are there for a king air other than the pilot?

Pop out at 200'...but where? There is NO instrument approach to this airport. The runway is less than 2,300 feet long.

Apparently the right seat was installed. The passenger was extricated while still sitting in the seat.

200 overcast 2 mi. visibility and trying to land at an airport with a 2300' runway and no instrument approach.

No lapse in judgement here...none at all. CrazyCrazyCrazy


otterboy

Oct 23, 2012, 6:28 PM
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I'm not arguing, but where did you see it say extricated with the seat? Some of the links are not working for me. From the photo that makes sense. The yoke is in the right side so one would assume the seat was there, otherwise the yoke would likely be removed if there was no seat. Plus, don't most king airs turn the seat around, or remove the back for jump ops. I have not been around a lot of them but the ones I have seemed to be that way.

Mark


diverdriver  (D 19012)

Oct 23, 2012, 6:58 PM
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In reply to:
I'm not arguing, but where did you see it say extricated with the seat? Some of the links are not working for me. From the photo that makes sense. The yoke is in the right side so one would assume the seat was there, otherwise the yoke would likely be removed if there was no seat. Plus, don't most king airs turn the seat around, or remove the back for jump ops. I have not been around a lot of them but the ones I have seemed to be that way.

Mark

One of the links leads to a video that appears to have a person in an aircraft seat about to get a back board applied while in the middle of the highway.


kallend  (D 23151)

Oct 24, 2012, 6:26 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
KRAC 222327Z AUTO 18004KT 2SM -RA BR OVC002 13/13 A2993 RMK AO2 LTG DSNT NE AND E P0006

Seriously? Guess that could explain running off the runway, pop out at 200' and try to save it.

Furthermore, just something I found interesting. They list both persons as crew, however there isn't even a co-pilot seat. What crew positions are there for a king air other than the pilot?

Pop out at 200'...but where? There is NO instrument approach to this airport. The runway is less than 2,300 feet long.

Apparently the right seat was installed. The passenger was extricated while still sitting in the seat.

Was he on an IFR flight plan? Nothing shows up on Flightaware.


(This post was edited by kallend on Oct 24, 2012, 6:29 AM)


SEREJumper  (D 29555)

Oct 24, 2012, 6:51 AM
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This photo of the interior shows the right seat in the lower right hand corner.

Bigger here:http://www.620wtmj.com/...377701.html#91758931


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diverdriver  (D 19012)

Oct 24, 2012, 11:57 AM
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Was he on an IFR flight plan? Nothing shows up on Flightaware.

I really don't know. But do you think ATC would clear him for a non-existant approach with weather they had that night?


jumpwally  (D License)

Oct 24, 2012, 1:40 PM
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Sounds like a mile high club attempt gone bad....Cool


TitaniumLegs  (D 19246)

Oct 24, 2012, 3:58 PM
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Maybe he thought IFR really stands for "I Follow Roads"...


suuz83  (B 716290)

Oct 24, 2012, 7:29 PM
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Maybe he thought IFR really stands for "I Follow Roads"...

Sure it does. We do that all the time Tongue


kallend  (D 23151)

Oct 24, 2012, 8:13 PM
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Was he on an IFR flight plan? Nothing shows up on Flightaware.

I really don't know. But do you think ATC would clear him for a non-existant approach with weather they had that night?

Hypothetically one could file for Sylvania with MWK as alternate, and what happens next depends on what the pilot tells ATC he could see. No TAF and no AWOS/ASOS at Sylvania so ATC only knows what the pilot's tells them.


theplummeter  (C License)

Oct 30, 2012, 9:32 PM
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Oddly enough reading this months issue of Parachutist I recognized the aircraft in this thread from a safety standown they did recently.


stratostar  (Student)

Oct 31, 2012, 7:09 AM
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What are you talking about?


hillson  (D 33134)

Oct 31, 2012, 7:13 AM
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The acft and airport was used to simulate some sort of mass casualty event for local first responders. There is a blurb about it in this month's USPA rag...


stratostar  (Student)

Oct 31, 2012, 10:03 AM
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I see, U must mean Nov. Issue and not Oct.


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