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skyjack71

Oct 11, 2012, 9:57 PM
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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.


SEA TAC
The stub was like a parking ticket or old theater ticket. It was blue or grey. I never understood how it could have been a parking ticket unless he parked a vehicle at the SEA TAC airport or maybe it was a Ticket someone else who was assisting him may have incurred. This has been discussed before and why I think there was someone with him.

This is not the same as the copy of the airline ticket that I saw in 1994 that would later reappear and then disappear again. Long story I will not repeat as this as I have told the story many time in this thread. Use key words and find my multiple post about this subject.


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skyjack71

Oct 11, 2012, 10:25 PM
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There may be a record with the FBI on this break-in. Margaret said that she spoke to a female FBI agent out of Spokane shortly after the break-in, and more than once. Not because of the missing logbook, (she didn't realize it was gone back then) but because of some missing property ownership papers. I have no other details on that.

I think I have just about heard enough. If Margaret claimed the FBI was notified about a simple robbery she is lieing and that is a strong point that she lied about other things. NO ONE mistakenly calls the FBI for a break-in. The shop was broke into 3 times - Duane didn't even call the local sheriff or police department.

That was puzzling now that I think about it. One time when I was with him - we walked in and the AC unit had been torn out of the wall. Nothing seemed disturbed, but Duane walked into the work room (the room he used for furniture repair and unpacking things and storage). All he did was open the door and look behind it. Said "Damn they got it". I asked what it was and he never told me. Just a casual remark which I do not remember.

Of course now I know he did not call the police because - he had a record of his own...under Duane Weber. I knew about the John Collins record or rather I found out in 1990.


smokin99

Oct 11, 2012, 10:27 PM
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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.


SEA TAC
The stub was like a parking ticket or old theater ticket. It was blue or grey. I never understood how it could have been a parking ticket unless he parked a vehicle at the SEA TAC airport or maybe it was a Ticket someone else who was assisting him may have incurred. This has been discussed before and why I think there was someone with him.

This is not the same as the copy of the airline ticket that I saw in 1994 that would later reappear and then disappear again. Long story I will not repeat as this as I have told the story many time in this thread. Use key words and find my multiple post about this subject.

I'll pass. It's getting late and not gonna grind the point - which is moot anyway. As with so many things Cooper, there is no physical evidence and we're still stuck with "cause I said so and I always tell the truth". SmileLaugh

I'm just saying that most of the "official" language that I'm seeing is "SEA" for anything flight related and "Seattle-Tacoma" for airport related stuff.

Not saying that there wasn't a parking lot or theater called "Sea-Tac" or that these particular entities didn't handle tickets with the word Sea-Tac - just saying that I'm not finding one.


Farflung

Oct 12, 2012, 9:10 AM
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Smokin99 reflectively reflects back to things said in the past before today with:

“…..we're still stuck with "cause I said so and I always tell the truth".”

So much purity, 99 44/100ths pure, so pure it floats. It’s just that this case is so complex (read packed with BS) and fluid (read runny BS) and there is so much information (read tons of BS) to digest (read eat the ‘S’ part of BS). I have an open mind (read the ‘S’ part of BS for brains) on the subject and if it turns out not to be Kenny, perhaps it is someone else (read unashamed BS).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuzpsO4ErOQ

Remember this smokin99, in the battle of 'wills' versus 'wits'; wills always win. That’s why there are fourteen Bigfoot research organizations and one Mensa International.
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skyjack71

Oct 12, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Parking Tickets at the old airports in 1971. These things were small - the size of a movie stub from 1971. About 1 inch deep and probably less than 2 inches long. HOW much printing do you think they could put on that? SEA TAC was a suitable ticket designation to put on the stub. I held this thing in my hand and asked him what SEA TAC was. He did tell me it was the name of a Seattle Airport, but that it was NOT important any more and told me to throw it away.

Because he was acting funny after he went to diaylsis I went back to the shop to retrieve it.
The trash was still there BUT he had retrieved the STUB. I did this because he was acting STRANGE and this was during the wks we separated so he could get his bearing with the kidney machine and AFTER he had done the drivers license thing and was put under observation. It was about 1 wk/10 days before he moved back to the house.

It was also during this time span that - Duane let me know he had been in prison as John Collins. He never offered an explanation as to WHY he needed to obtain the new ID. BUT, I would not know that he did MANAGE to obtain the ID until the found wallet in the VAN was returned to me after I sold it over 5 yrs later after his death.


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mrshutter45

Oct 12, 2012, 5:00 PM
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seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr



I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 12, 2012, 5:43 PM
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I agree it seems SA Carr did a pretty bang up job.
So now where do we look?

Matt


mrshutter45

Oct 12, 2012, 6:18 PM
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I don't know, still working on the flight path, have some weather issues to pan out. perhaps 99 has a good idea on checking all of Tena and going over Catepillar island.

If the money didn't come from the bottom of the Columbia and was not planted, it's very possible the final clue could rest in these area's??? I don't know. I guess there is only one way to find out.....check the islands...$$$$$


skyjack71

Oct 12, 2012, 10:38 PM
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seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr

I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

Where is this REPORT - you indicated it was in the thread - I never saw it! The list of name sounds like they didn't as for the spelling. John Claudian Weber was his brothers name.

John had been alienated from his brother for 38 yrs prior to Duane's death. He knew nothing of his brother since 1958 - I have letters from John that attest to this. The sister REFUSED to be interviewed, but I do not know if they finally got to her - she never mentioned it to me. The other wife in GA. - I think they contacted her, but their relationship was very volcanic so I do not know how well that would have gone. There was his friend - who he did NOT meet until after 1973 but who knew Duane well. THere were ex-employers - so that could be part of those they interviewed.

They DID NOT INTERVIEW
Tommy Gunn, Tony Wong, Ray (I forget the guys last name right now) or some of the others out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale.

The truth is Duane only had one friend he was close to and he did not meet him until 1973 and I still keep intouch with he and his wife. The others Duane contacted knew him as John Collins - but the FBI DID NOT INTERVIEW THEM - GOTTA ASK YOUR SELF WHY?


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skyjack71

Oct 12, 2012, 11:53 PM
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Carr Stated:
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The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.


CrazyWhat Carr told me. He posted the McNeil prints...and he maintained that was WHAT THEY FBI used. I wanted the JEFFERSON prints. THE PRIOR AGENT OF RECORD (the one who did the actual investigation) claimed that Weber was NEVER in MCNEIL and yet CARR used the MCNEIL prints in the thread.

CrazyWhen they sent me that letter in 1998 - they were using prints from a prison the agent told me Weber was never in?


Carr stated:
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Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.


UnimpressedMaybe in CARRS day, but not in the early days - the sharing did not take place until they started the central print system, but not all states participated and evidently did not participate at the date of his last arrest in 1976.

UnimpressedTHINK about this - Weber is arrested a multiple time felon in FL with a record and in possession of a gun - they would have locked him up and threw the key away. Yet, Duane Weber WALKED! Explain that one away. Carr couldn't,


UnimpressedIt was later learned that the states DID NOT SHARE PRINTS at that time. (CARR MADE THAT MISTAKE). Remember Duane Weber was a licensed Insurance saleman from 1964 (as John Collins in Kansas) then as Duane Weber in 1969 in Alabama and then Georgia and S.C. until 1978. Then Colorado an Wy from 1977 to 1980 and then back to AL and GA from 1980 to 1983 and then VIRGINIA in 1983 until his disability in 1989. There were other states, but I don't remember them all right now.

CARR STATED:
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The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.


SmileWELL if they were - someone dropped the ball. There was a multiple felon running around all over the country selling insurance and getting DUI's and in possession of a GUN. Remember that in 1990 he had a gun STRAPPED on him when they arrested him and then returned they gun to him (although I was to understand the arrest was aborted and the 72 hour observation was done).
Where were the RECORD in 1990 and WHERE were the Records in 1979 when he was arrested in Fort Collins, CO for another DUI. I was with him so I expect that is the only reason a GUN did not surface. They took him and I drove home - 3 block from the house.

The file Carr is referring to is one he had NOTHING to do with. Just dug it out of the old files.

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Carr Stated:
On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane).

CrazyHow could this resume NOT have contained the prints of Duane L. Weber? He handled it many times and he is the one who put it in a binder - the FBI kept the original and only gave me a copy of the resume. Duane personally put the binder together himself.

SmileThis is when I new there was something VERY WRONG with the prints and I told the FBI they had some kind of mistake, because there WAS NO WAY DUANE PRINTS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THAT RESUME! SmilePerhaps Duane was a magician!

Take the next statement made:

CARR STATED:
"The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied."

FrownMadUnsureUnimpressed
NOW, how does that make any sense at all. Is that the only item they tried to lift prints off of?
If the prints did NOT belong to Duane L. Weber - how did DUANE manage to do that one - MAGIC?

Duane had that resume done in 1979 and it remained in our possession and his possession until I turned it over to the FBI.
Whose prints where on it if they were not Duane's? Did they check any other item they took from me against Duane's prints they had on file?????? Did they use any file other than the McNeil which was denied by the 1st agent of record?

Carr States:
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I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

Well, right off the bat - the prints presented a problem. I expect about 100 pages of that was copies of things I sent them and they took from my home. The report would include the original resume. The tax returns I provide them - they didn't get those themselves - I DID as Duane had kept every tax report for 1968 forward.

They interviewed the ex-wife and her daughter - I have already explained her daughter refuted and so did she most of what they told the FBI. I have letters and a couple of tapes that refute in part what was told to the FBI. It was even claimed the family told the FBI, Duane was with them, but he wasn't as they were separated (supposedly at that time) in 1971, but they are together in 1972 and do not divorce until May or June (I have the divorce papers) and then he remarries in 2 months.

There should even be an ambulance report (in Georgia) for the early part of 1972 after Feb when there was an incident the ex relayed and her son told me about yrs later - she was very distraught over Duane asking for a divorce and the reason he wanted the divorce - which again is private. I asked JT and Himmelsbach about this - I thought they were relaying everything to the agent of record - of course now I know better.


RobertMBlevins

Oct 13, 2012, 1:22 AM
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Well, let's do a quick Weber Review.

1) Weber may have claimed on his deathbed that he was Dan Cooper, but there are no other witnesses to that alleged statement.

2) Weber cannot be linked to any verifiable parachute experience. And no one in a sane state of mind would attempt leaping out the back of a moving 727 without at least some prior experience.

3) None of the stews or witnesses have even HINTED that Weber could be the hijacker from pictures.

4) The physical evidence, if any, is lost or otherwise unaccounted for.

5) The witness who said handwriting in a Cooper book was Weber's has retracted her story, or refuses to confirm.

6) Weber cannot be positively placed in the NW United States at the time of the hijacking.

7) None of Weber's ex-wives or other family members have offered definitive evidence leading to the possibility Weber was the hijacker.

8) Occam's Razor might suggest that with so many previous arrests and the extensive hunt for the hijacker, that Weber would have been discovered reletively quickly.

9) Weber's occasional behaviors, (if true) such as tossing a bag off a bridge and taking his wife on a NW trip and dropping hints...might suggest he was living a fantasy and secretly wanted to be Cooper. Most of his life he was a loser. Maybe he wanted to be a winner, and used his wife to further those ends. If this is true, it only shows he was selfish and sentenced her to a life of endless hunting for a truth that was never there.

10) The FBI did an obviously thorough investigation and may have discovered the same things.

Side Note: Picked up my new Nissan truck today. You know where I will be for the next few days: Camping, fishing, hiking, shooting, guitar. Too much work, too much travel lately.

I guess it's like THIS. Smile


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mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 6:41 AM
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keep in mind we are talking about the 70's.

Judges were not as strict as they were today, a DWI was not looked at the same way as today, I'm sure there is a simple reason to all of these charges.

Car explained that they have all 26 arrest records with prints. records can and have been lost or incorrect, even today.

I found a picture you have not posted in a long time of Duane at age 44 in 1968 (see photo) IMHO Duane does not fit the profile. his younger pictures fit the profile, but, not the important ones.

I mentioned this before and found others questioned the same, Duane seems to always have glasses on in 95% of the pictures leading one to believe he always needed them.

If he was selling Insurance as a convicted felon this is hardly the mistake of the FBI and would go unnoticed if the employer didn't do a background check. even today people can slip through the cracks because when a background check is done online they can pay for a certain amount of years back or a full background check, it is very easy not to check the box (yes) on a application for employment asking if you have ever been convicted of a felony, this was the same problem they had with thinking every bank in the world was looking for the 20's the FBI gave Cooper.

"Duane had that resume done in 1979 and it remained in our possession and his possession until I turned it over to the FBI."

1979 to late 1990's how many other people touched this document that is 16 plus years old at the time? prints get smeared.

looking from the outside in I just don't see anything linking Duane to Cooper, you wanted someone to look at this, I have and remain solid on the findings. this is my opinion only and hope you understand Cool


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mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 7:14 AM
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sometimes I think people actually think they will see this (photo) if they hike around the backside of Rushmore Cool


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Farflung

Oct 13, 2012, 8:28 AM
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‘Battle Of Wills’ Is Where Force, Might And Non-sequitur Syntax Is Repeated Without Regard To Question Or Statement While Ignoring The Originator In Favor Of A Litany Of Unrelated And Disjointed Actions Spanning A Vast Span Of Time Which Renders The Reade [In reply to] Can't Post

Mrshutter45 summarizes with:

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"”


Farflung responds with:

No….. no it doesn’t.


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mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 9:39 AM
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"Where is this REPORT - you indicated it was in the thread - I never saw it! The list of name sounds like they didn't as for the spelling. John Claudian Weber was his brothers name."

Jo, the post's made by Carr were from this thread, pages 80 and beyond.

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Shutter says:
my guess would be that Duane changed the name spelling in order to have other options, my past (long time ago) I would leave out my middle name when I would get pulled over, this was enough to hide who I really was and not show the bench warrants out for me for not having a drivers license, I would get a ticket again, but, throw it away because it was not really me and the address was not mine either so they are chasing a ghost! back then it was pretty easy to fool them! I also used my brothers name because he was squeaky clean, however he was not amused once this was discovered Blush

you must understand after they have done a lot of checking on Duane and coming up with nothing but false names and time in prison and prints and DNA not matching they are not going to dig any further.

you keep reporting that Duane had guns, there is no indication that Cooper was armed! IMHO Duane doesn't fit the profile to this case.

you claim yourself Jo that the prints and DNA might not be Cooper's, so where are we going trying to establish Duane's? I understand how frustrating this must be, but looking from our stand point it makes sense to us more than what you can not see.


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Farflung

Oct 13, 2012, 10:14 AM
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RobertMBlevins comments without the use of data or thinking one (1) step downstream about his review with:

“1) Weber may have claimed on his deathbed that he was Dan Cooper, but there are no other witnesses to that alleged statement.”

And that’s exactly one witness more than RobertMBlevins had regarding Dan Cooper comics, Captain Scott talking to Cooper and Bernie breaking into a home and stealing a logbook.


RobertMBlevins ignores an oft repeated and genuine piece of evidence with:

“2) Weber cannot be linked to any verifiable parachute experience. And no one in a sane state of mind would attempt leaping out the back of a moving 727 without at least some prior experience.”

For the ‘Nth’ time, MARTIN MCNALLY JUMPED FROM A 727 WITHOUT ANY EXPERIENCE. He hijacked the most planes, had the most money and NO experience. Never had even touched a parachute before, but please, keep ignoring this evidence and history in your battle of wills.


RobertMBlevins obliquely infers:

“3) None of the stews or witnesses have even HINTED that Weber could be the hijacker from pictures.”

Gee is this some, oh gosh, you know, umm…, have I mentioned this before, a Stewardess said Kenny was the closest she had seen before, but Tina and Alice didn’t say squat, but I just left that out of my question, because I’m passive aggressive like that, and then form a leading statement, even though I deny any such activity statement? Yes.


He then continues like a runaway freight train with:

“4) The physical evidence, if any, is lost or otherwise unaccounted for.”

Like his fingerprints and DNA?


RobertMBlevins adds a non-sequitur to a non-sequitur with:

“5) The witness who said handwriting in a Cooper book was Weber's has retracted her story, or refuses to confirm.”

And if the handwriting in the Cooper book is Duane’s that would prove that he read a book on Cooper after the event, thus damning him to have done what? All it proves is there are many delusionals willing to reinforce the quality of this research with a random 50cc squirt of intellectual diarrhea.


RobertMBlevins continues to steer with the use of another non-sequitur:

“6) Weber cannot be positively placed in the NW United States at the time of the hijacking.”

If a person’s fingerprints or DNA matches the samples in FBI evidence, BUT can’t be placed in the NW United States they are exonerated? This only makes sense on this thread.


RobertMBlevins tweaks the nose of Captain Obvious with:

“7) None of Weber's ex-wives or other family members have offered definitive evidence leading to the possibility Weber was the hijacker.”

Neither has anyone else since ‘definitive evidence’ would lead to an investigation by the FBI, then the ‘definitive evidence’ would be used in a court of law to convict the hijacker.


Occam experiences forced ‘manlove’ with:

“8) Occam's Razor might suggest that with so many previous arrests and the extensive hunt for the hijacker, that Weber would have been discovered reletively quickly.”

Occam screams that an employee of the airline would be identified relatively quickly as well.


RobertMBlevins peers deep into a pool of irony by stating:

“9) Weber's occasional behaviors, (if true) such as tossing a bag off a bridge and taking his wife on a NW trip and dropping hints...might suggest he was living a fantasy and secretly wanted to be Cooper. Most of his life he was a loser. Maybe he wanted to be a winner, and used his wife to further those ends. If this is true, it only shows he was selfish and sentenced her to a life of endless hunting for a truth that was never there.”

Much the way Lyle said he never believed that Kenny was Cooper, but sparked some brain dead investigation which defied every statistic known to science, by ‘proving’ Kenny was coincidentally Cooper.


Captain Obvious hasn’t left the building with:

“10) The FBI did an obviously thorough investigation and may have discovered the same things.”

If Kenny isn’t Cooper, then perhaps, it’s someone else.


Robert99

Oct 13, 2012, 10:26 AM
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In reply to:
seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr

I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

Where is this REPORT - you indicated it was in the thread - I never saw it! The list of name sounds like they didn't as for the spelling. John Claudian Weber was his brothers name.

John had been alienated from his brother for 38 yrs prior to Duane's death. He knew nothing of his brother since 1958 - I have letters from John that attest to this. The sister REFUSED to be interviewed, but I do not know if they finally got to her - she never mentioned it to me. The other wife in GA. - I think they contacted her, but their relationship was very volcanic so I do not know how well that would have gone. There was his friend - who he did NOT meet until after 1973 but who knew Duane well. THere were ex-employers - so that could be part of those they interviewed.

They DID NOT INTERVIEW
Tommy Gunn, Tony Wong, Ray (I forget the guys last name right now) or some of the others out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale.

The truth is Duane only had one friend he was close to and he did not meet him until 1973 and I still keep intouch with he and his wife. The others Duane contacted knew him as John Collins - but the FBI DID NOT INTERVIEW THEM - GOTTA ASK YOUR SELF WHY?

Jo, You need to get real. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror and then go to page 80 on this thread as Mrshutter mentions above.

The post with all the names is Post 1995, as Mrshutter lists in his post above, and then Post 1996 is by you. In addition, you have five more posts on page 80.

The above just confirms that you don't really read or understand or even care what other people post on this thread.

I think you owe the FBI and Carr an apology. You have mis-represented what they have done and tried to apply your own non-existent investigative skills to this matter.

Robert99


sailshaw

Oct 13, 2012, 10:53 AM
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Matthewcline

The one thing Carr did not do is compare the DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters sent to the newspapers after the NORJAK caper with the DNA they have taken from Sheridan Peterson. I am very certain they will find a match and this case will finally be solved. Possibly, the DNA is on its way to the FBI labs in Quantico, VA. That means we should know of the case being solved by the end of this year. The DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps is truly the Smoking Gun that will blow this case wide open.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com


Farflung

Oct 13, 2012, 11:37 AM
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Robert99 succinctly observes:

“….apply your own non-existent investigative skills to this matter.”

After I read Mrshutter45’s post, I did a search on ‘Claudian’ since it was an unusual name and went directly to Ckret’s comment. Then I noticed that skyjack71 was the next respondent and groaned at the temerity to admonish others to ‘read the thread’ while expecting some level of credibility, associated with decoding a pair of military serial numbers which confess to Duane being DB Cooper.

Stunned disbelief probably best describes the sensation I felt while reading some of the most elaborate garbage mathematics, leaps of logic and deeply buried critical thinking, while a pair of government assigned and created, serial numbers hold a secret clue to DB Cooper’s identity. One must divide by seven, then take the square root of the fourth digit and multiply by the nearest prime integer, unless it is a ‘flipper’! You must NOT forget the flipper in the code. Why aren’t you listening and using the flipper as I pointed out earlier? You have to use a flipper, don’t forget the flipper, the flipper, flipper…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akyJYeBVbuM


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 13, 2012, 11:39 AM
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Win one for the flipper!

Matt


Farflung

Oct 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7csGhMQoQms


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 7:28 PM
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I thought he was talking about my having RECEIVED actual reports. As I read on into the next posts - I realized it was a post made by Carr that I was able at that time to refute and the comparison of fingerprints files was discuss for many posts.

Pros and Cons - but the consensus at that time was the central system was NOT fully function and not all states complied and the system was NOT fully operational.

This WAS verified by 2 retired FBI agents in my area. Therefore, not all of his prints being compared there is margin for error. All available prints from Duane Weber needed to be compared, but the FBI used prints from 1945 so the first agent claimed and then claimed Weber was never a resident of said prison. Later CARR would use the 1945 prints even though they HAD NOT been compared with later prints of WEBER which for some reason just do not exist!


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 13, 2012, 7:46 PM
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I am not aware of any science, or data, that states finger prints "change" with out the exception of damage from scarring by wounds. So as long as they had one set of prints from Duane, they had accurate prints, from Duane.

Matt


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 7:56 PM
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In reply to:
Jo, You need to get real. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror and then go to page 80 on this thread as Mrshutter mentions above.

The post with all the names is Post 1995, as Mrshutter lists in his post above, and then Post 1996 is by you. In addition, you have five more posts on page 80.

The above just confirms that you don't really read or understand or even care what other people post on this thread.

I think you owe the FBI and Carr an apology. You have mis-represented what they have done and tried to apply your own non-existent investigative skills to this matter.

Robert9

CARR made that sound the way he wanted it to sound. NOTE: he had NO new or additional information regarding WEBER - only what the FBI used 1998 dismissing Duane only on the prints from the McNeil file.
Weber's DNA was not asked for until 2003 and a widow who has remarried - just did NOT carry around a lot of my deceased spouse's stuff. What I had were things I put on a garage sale and where cleaned and handled by other and then probably cleaned again before I put them in the attic...in 1995 when Duane died - DNA was the furthest thing from my mind, plus I am a cleaning fanatic.

There was a lot going on between CARR and myself none of you know or care to know what information I was trying to get him to look at that was with new information of WEBER. He ignoring anything were I pointed out the FBI's error is what ired me. I did NOT fight this battle just in what I said on the computer because at that time I was upset by CARR's arrogance and ignorance.

I DO NOT owe the FBI an APOLOGY FOR ONE IOTA.

THEY LIED to me and then with NEW things REFUSED to even glance back at DUANE. AFTER their error had been pointed out to them not by me, but by others.

These NEW agents did NOT understand the mechanics of they system in place in 1966 when Duane had his last official encounter - where he was convicted and sent to jail.

NOT one "authority" could understand HOW Weber got arrested in FL with a record and with a gun in 1976 and it NOT hit the central system of prints. I am the ONE who TOLD the FBI about this incident at a later date. Perhaps they did investigate it at that later date but did NOT tell me what the finding where.

Yes, I was tired when I saw Mrsshutters post, but I also realized he did NOT read all of the posts that would later come and I was told Carr was working on something, but it turns out Carr was ONLY promoting himself and had NOT look at one thing I had sent him - expect nothing I told him privately and sent to him ever made it to the file!

YOU want to give CUDOS to an agent who made an ASS out of himself by stating on the FBI Official Page the DAN COOPER Comics where involved and also taking credit for this discovery without ever mentioning he obtained this false information from a bunch of people posting on a thread! It was removed only AFTER I made a complaint to the FBI on it Web site...I TOLD them exactly where this Cooper Comic thing came from - a poster by the name of SNOWMMAN!

THis is the kind of CRAP Carr put out about the case - he was only trying to make himself sound important. The way he handled himself on every clip I saw - was to impress the public -it was ALL about HIM and not about investigating Cooper.

YOU do realize HE CALLED me on his way to a press conference so I would not hear what ever it was on TV for the first time. (Well it did NOT make National New). IF it was an OFFICIAL MESSAGE it should have been handled in the same way as other information was - receipted and/or acknowledge in writing. That is protocol.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 13, 2012, 8:07 PM)


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 8:01 PM
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Jo, I'm really having trouble following you, Carr explained this.

Carr:
The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names (prints included)

they then took all of the prints and made a master set, why would the retired FBI agents tell you different and why take there word over active agents?

who exactly told you they used his 1945 prints and what difference would this be?

just like the names you think they have misspelled were done by Duane to cover his tracks, this is why you see the same names spelled different. this is criminal 101

what exactly are you implying about John Collins years before the hijacking and what purpose would this prove?


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