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Robert99

Oct 13, 2012, 10:26 AM
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seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr

I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

Where is this REPORT - you indicated it was in the thread - I never saw it! The list of name sounds like they didn't as for the spelling. John Claudian Weber was his brothers name.

John had been alienated from his brother for 38 yrs prior to Duane's death. He knew nothing of his brother since 1958 - I have letters from John that attest to this. The sister REFUSED to be interviewed, but I do not know if they finally got to her - she never mentioned it to me. The other wife in GA. - I think they contacted her, but their relationship was very volcanic so I do not know how well that would have gone. There was his friend - who he did NOT meet until after 1973 but who knew Duane well. THere were ex-employers - so that could be part of those they interviewed.

They DID NOT INTERVIEW
Tommy Gunn, Tony Wong, Ray (I forget the guys last name right now) or some of the others out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale.

The truth is Duane only had one friend he was close to and he did not meet him until 1973 and I still keep intouch with he and his wife. The others Duane contacted knew him as John Collins - but the FBI DID NOT INTERVIEW THEM - GOTTA ASK YOUR SELF WHY?

Jo, You need to get real. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror and then go to page 80 on this thread as Mrshutter mentions above.

The post with all the names is Post 1995, as Mrshutter lists in his post above, and then Post 1996 is by you. In addition, you have five more posts on page 80.

The above just confirms that you don't really read or understand or even care what other people post on this thread.

I think you owe the FBI and Carr an apology. You have mis-represented what they have done and tried to apply your own non-existent investigative skills to this matter.

Robert99


sailshaw

Oct 13, 2012, 10:53 AM
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Matthewcline

The one thing Carr did not do is compare the DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters sent to the newspapers after the NORJAK caper with the DNA they have taken from Sheridan Peterson. I am very certain they will find a match and this case will finally be solved. Possibly, the DNA is on its way to the FBI labs in Quantico, VA. That means we should know of the case being solved by the end of this year. The DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps is truly the Smoking Gun that will blow this case wide open.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com


Farflung

Oct 13, 2012, 11:37 AM
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Robert99 succinctly observes:

“….apply your own non-existent investigative skills to this matter.”

After I read Mrshutter45’s post, I did a search on ‘Claudian’ since it was an unusual name and went directly to Ckret’s comment. Then I noticed that skyjack71 was the next respondent and groaned at the temerity to admonish others to ‘read the thread’ while expecting some level of credibility, associated with decoding a pair of military serial numbers which confess to Duane being DB Cooper.

Stunned disbelief probably best describes the sensation I felt while reading some of the most elaborate garbage mathematics, leaps of logic and deeply buried critical thinking, while a pair of government assigned and created, serial numbers hold a secret clue to DB Cooper’s identity. One must divide by seven, then take the square root of the fourth digit and multiply by the nearest prime integer, unless it is a ‘flipper’! You must NOT forget the flipper in the code. Why aren’t you listening and using the flipper as I pointed out earlier? You have to use a flipper, don’t forget the flipper, the flipper, flipper…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akyJYeBVbuM


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 13, 2012, 11:39 AM
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Win one for the flipper!

Matt


Farflung

Oct 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
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skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 7:28 PM
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I thought he was talking about my having RECEIVED actual reports. As I read on into the next posts - I realized it was a post made by Carr that I was able at that time to refute and the comparison of fingerprints files was discuss for many posts.

Pros and Cons - but the consensus at that time was the central system was NOT fully function and not all states complied and the system was NOT fully operational.

This WAS verified by 2 retired FBI agents in my area. Therefore, not all of his prints being compared there is margin for error. All available prints from Duane Weber needed to be compared, but the FBI used prints from 1945 so the first agent claimed and then claimed Weber was never a resident of said prison. Later CARR would use the 1945 prints even though they HAD NOT been compared with later prints of WEBER which for some reason just do not exist!


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 13, 2012, 7:46 PM
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I am not aware of any science, or data, that states finger prints "change" with out the exception of damage from scarring by wounds. So as long as they had one set of prints from Duane, they had accurate prints, from Duane.

Matt


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 7:56 PM
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Jo, You need to get real. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror and then go to page 80 on this thread as Mrshutter mentions above.

The post with all the names is Post 1995, as Mrshutter lists in his post above, and then Post 1996 is by you. In addition, you have five more posts on page 80.

The above just confirms that you don't really read or understand or even care what other people post on this thread.

I think you owe the FBI and Carr an apology. You have mis-represented what they have done and tried to apply your own non-existent investigative skills to this matter.

Robert9

CARR made that sound the way he wanted it to sound. NOTE: he had NO new or additional information regarding WEBER - only what the FBI used 1998 dismissing Duane only on the prints from the McNeil file.
Weber's DNA was not asked for until 2003 and a widow who has remarried - just did NOT carry around a lot of my deceased spouse's stuff. What I had were things I put on a garage sale and where cleaned and handled by other and then probably cleaned again before I put them in the attic...in 1995 when Duane died - DNA was the furthest thing from my mind, plus I am a cleaning fanatic.

There was a lot going on between CARR and myself none of you know or care to know what information I was trying to get him to look at that was with new information of WEBER. He ignoring anything were I pointed out the FBI's error is what ired me. I did NOT fight this battle just in what I said on the computer because at that time I was upset by CARR's arrogance and ignorance.

I DO NOT owe the FBI an APOLOGY FOR ONE IOTA.

THEY LIED to me and then with NEW things REFUSED to even glance back at DUANE. AFTER their error had been pointed out to them not by me, but by others.

These NEW agents did NOT understand the mechanics of they system in place in 1966 when Duane had his last official encounter - where he was convicted and sent to jail.

NOT one "authority" could understand HOW Weber got arrested in FL with a record and with a gun in 1976 and it NOT hit the central system of prints. I am the ONE who TOLD the FBI about this incident at a later date. Perhaps they did investigate it at that later date but did NOT tell me what the finding where.

Yes, I was tired when I saw Mrsshutters post, but I also realized he did NOT read all of the posts that would later come and I was told Carr was working on something, but it turns out Carr was ONLY promoting himself and had NOT look at one thing I had sent him - expect nothing I told him privately and sent to him ever made it to the file!

YOU want to give CUDOS to an agent who made an ASS out of himself by stating on the FBI Official Page the DAN COOPER Comics where involved and also taking credit for this discovery without ever mentioning he obtained this false information from a bunch of people posting on a thread! It was removed only AFTER I made a complaint to the FBI on it Web site...I TOLD them exactly where this Cooper Comic thing came from - a poster by the name of SNOWMMAN!

THis is the kind of CRAP Carr put out about the case - he was only trying to make himself sound important. The way he handled himself on every clip I saw - was to impress the public -it was ALL about HIM and not about investigating Cooper.

YOU do realize HE CALLED me on his way to a press conference so I would not hear what ever it was on TV for the first time. (Well it did NOT make National New). IF it was an OFFICIAL MESSAGE it should have been handled in the same way as other information was - receipted and/or acknowledge in writing. That is protocol.


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mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 8:01 PM
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Jo, I'm really having trouble following you, Carr explained this.

Carr:
The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names (prints included)

they then took all of the prints and made a master set, why would the retired FBI agents tell you different and why take there word over active agents?

who exactly told you they used his 1945 prints and what difference would this be?

just like the names you think they have misspelled were done by Duane to cover his tracks, this is why you see the same names spelled different. this is criminal 101

what exactly are you implying about John Collins years before the hijacking and what purpose would this prove?


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 8:30 PM
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Jo, I'm really having trouble following you, Carr explained this.

Carr STATED:
The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names (prints included)

they then took all of the prints and made a master set, why would the retired FBI agents tell you different and why take there word over active agents?

who exactly told you they used his 1945 prints and what difference would this be?

just like the names you think they have misspelled were done by Duane to cover his tracks, this is why you see the same names spelled different. this is criminal 101

what exactly are you implying about John Collins years before the hijacking and what purpose would this prove?


CrazyYOU are NOT grasping it!. Duane's prints from the other arrests where NEVER compared with the ALIAS. CARR was talking on the assumption this was done! Duane's last major arrest was BEFORE the central SYSTEM. NOTE he was booked, served his time and given a commutation of sentence under the name of John C. Collins - NOT Duane Weber or any other ALIAS! Duane was release and commuted as JOHN COLLINS.

It was never noted in the Jefferson FILE that John Collins was DUANE WEBER- until it was placed on the Prison SITE AFTER the file had been destroyed! I had communication with Jefferson before the files were destroyed - I was told Duane WEBER was NEVER in Jefferson.

I WAS unable to obtain the files from JEFFERSON because I was not the widow of John Collins. HAD the FILES have noted COLLINS AND WEBER as being one and the same - I would have gotten those record.

ONLY after the paper files were DESTROYED and it was put on the computer system was I able to obtain any information at all.

CARR timed this real GOOD with the THREAD when he posted I could get them online. HE KNEW the files were DENIED to me before. THIS was around the time he posted Duane's records on the thread - RECORDS I had asked him for and the FBI about for yrs....yet what do they do - wait until the BACK-up PAPER files and the DETAILED reports had been destroyed (GOTTA ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY DID THAT).

The FBI went looking for Duane Weber just 3 months after John Collins had been released. He was NOT hard to find, but if the FBI was after him for something - they sure did a LOT of LOOKING the OTHER WAY! Duane was selling insurance in 1969 in Mobile Al. and then on to Atlanta, GA and was in the business until he went out on disability.

The accumulation of the old prints on WEBER were never placed into the SYSTEM - CARR had NOTHING to OFFER other than the McNeil FILE which the first AGENT had denied!?????????????????????????????????UnsureFrownCrazy[/:(][/:/]


georger

Oct 13, 2012, 8:37 PM
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YOU want to give CUDOS to an agent who made an ASS out of himself by stating on the FBI Official Page the DAN COOPER Comics where involved and also taking credit for this discovery without ever mentioning he obtained this false information from a bunch of people posting on a thread! It was removed only AFTER I made a complaint to the FBI on it Web site...I TOLD them exactly where this Cooper Comic thing came from - a poster by the name of SNOWMMAN!

THis is the kind of CRAP Carr put out about the case - he was only trying to make himself sound important. The way he handled himself on every clip I saw - was to impress the public -it was ALL about HIM and not about investigating Cooper.
The above are your perceptions; not reality. Agent
Carr and the FBI had every right to publish info
about the Cooper Comic, since it theoretically linked
with the known signatory on the flight ticket: Dan
Cooper, and more.

Everyone including Carr acknowledged Snowmman
who discovered the Cooper Comic.

I thought Larry was very fair with you, both
professionally and personally. I thought your actions
were completely selfish and uncalled for, and
counterproductive to you personally.

This is all old ground and hindsight now, in any
event.


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skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 8:47 PM
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Carr:
The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names (prints included)

they then took all of the prints and made a master set, why would the retired FBI agents tell you different and why take there word over active agents?

who exactly told you they used his 1945 prints and what difference would this be?
CARR HIMSELP POST THE MCNEIL PRINTS AS THE PRINTS USED ON THIS THREAD!

The FBI AGENT he is referring to was the agent of record in 1992 and 1998 when I got the letter. He told me they USED the prints from McNeil and The PRINTS CARR used are from McNeil. YET, THAT SAME AGENT told me DUANE WEBER was NEVER in McNeil - this was in MARCH OF 2000 - I HAD THE MCNEIL PRISON FILE IN MY HANDS - they obviously thought there was nothing left to be had.

WHY THE HELL do you think I went PUBLIC in 2000! I was told by the FBI Duane was never in McNeil or in the ARMY - I was holding BOTH documents in my hands during that phone call.

The jerk realize he had HUNG himself and said there was someone coming into this office and he would call me later. YEA, they had to figure out what exactly they were going to tell me. A simple woman should not have had access to those file nor have known how to get them. BUT I HAD THEM - and they didn't know I had them!

The phone call was later returned and his explanation was:

1.Duane only PASSED THRU McNeil, but was never a resident there.

2. AS for the ARMY he said they had a NUMBER wrong on the records they had (note 5 yrs after I contacted them and they came to see me). He had insisted the number the AGENT took off of the LETTER Duane wrote from the army base to his mother was one digit wrong. THE FBI had copies of the SAME stuff I did.

Yet, they had errors and dismissed DUANE in 1998 based on their ERRORS. NOTE the date of the yrs. I called them in 1996 and then in 1997 they came to see me and then in 1998 they send a letter dismissing Weber. Yet, in 2000 I prove the FBI records are flawed. The agent calls me and trys to explain away the 2 errors I confronted him with.

HOW many OTHER DAMN errors did they MAKE!

Then CARR comes along and make MORE errors - such as his explanation of the Central Print System. He explained away their mistake with a system that was NOT functional in all states and was far from being completed in 1968 when Duane last served...a mistake that served Duane Weber well.

THE FIRST commit on the FBI site about THE DAN COOPER COMIC - stated and gave credit only to CARR. That was only changed AFTER I contacted the system.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 13, 2012, 8:58 PM)


mrshutter45

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what does this have to do with DB Cooper? you put a lot of blame on everyone Jo, is this fair? they have dozens of his prints! regardless of one they don't, Carr did mention "including his other names"

I'm not trying to be rude but this doesn't make any sense to linking him to Cooper,

"information from a bunch of people posting on a thread!" this is your words and is this not what you are doing as well? very confusing Jo!

"Pros and Cons - but the consensus at that time was the central system was NOT fully function and not all states complied and the system was NOT fully operational. "

"NOT one "authority" could understand HOW Weber got arrested in FL with a record and with a gun in 1976 and it NOT hit the central system of prints. I am the ONE who TOLD the FBI about this incident at a later date. Perhaps they did investigate it at that later date but did NOT tell me what the finding where. "

very confusing Jo

he arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.


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Robert99

Oct 13, 2012, 9:07 PM
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Jo, I'm really having trouble following you, Carr explained this.

Carr STATED:
The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names (prints included)

they then took all of the prints and made a master set, why would the retired FBI agents tell you different and why take there word over active agents?

who exactly told you they used his 1945 prints and what difference would this be?

just like the names you think they have misspelled were done by Duane to cover his tracks, this is why you see the same names spelled different. this is criminal 101

what exactly are you implying about John Collins years before the hijacking and what purpose would this prove?


CrazyYOU are NOT grasping it!. Duane's prints from the other arrests where NEVER compared with the ALIAS. CARR was talking on the assumption this was done! Duane's last major arrest was BEFORE the central SYSTEM. NOTE he was booked, served his time and given a commutation of sentence under the name of John C. Collins - NOT Duane Weber or any other ALIAS! Duane was release and commuted as JOHN COLLINS.

It was never noted in the Jefferson FILE that John Collins was DUANE WEBER- until it was placed on the Prison SITE AFTER the file had been destroyed! I had communication with Jefferson before the files were destroyed - I was told Duane WEBER was NEVER in Jefferson.

I WAS unable to obtain the files from JEFFERSON because I was not the widow of John Collins. HAD the FILES have noted COLLINS AND WEBER as being one and the same - I would have gotten those record.

ONLY after the paper files were DESTROYED and it was put on the computer system was I able to obtain any information at all.

CARR timed this real GOOD with the THREAD when he posted I could get them online. HE KNEW the files were DENIED to me before. THIS was around the time he posted Duane's records on the thread - RECORDS I had asked him for and the FBI about for yrs....yet what do they do - wait until the BACK-up PAPER files and the DETAILED reports had been destroyed (GOTTA ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY DID THAT).

The FBI went looking for Duane Weber just 3 months after John Collins had been released. He was NOT hard to find, but if the FBI was after him for something - they sure did a LOT of LOOKING the OTHER WAY! Duane was selling insurance in 1969 in Mobile Al. and then on to Atlanta, GA and was in the business until he went out on disability.

The accumulation of the old prints on WEBER were never placed into the SYSTEM - CARR had NOTHING to OFFER other than the McNeil FILE which the first AGENT had denied!?????????????????????????????????UnsureFrownCrazy[/:(][/:/]

Jo, You either don't understand what Carr was saying in the two posts (starting with 1995) where he explains the facts concerning the fingerprints or you simply don't want to do anything except argue. I notice that you argued with Carr on that same page (page 80) about fingerprints and DNA. On page 81, the argument continued with you making 11 posts and Carr 6.

Carr plainly told you that the FBI had a copy of Duane's fingerprints in 1942 and that they were updated subsequently during his 25+ arrests. This apparently included his arrests under the name of John Collins.

But regardless, Duane's fingerprints from 1942 to 1976 did not change when he was using a different name. And Carr was using the prints that were on file at the FBI and it would not make any difference whatsoever if someone altered the copies of those prints that were on file at some other law enforcement agency.

In your arguments with Carr, you mention that James Earl Ray managed to alter his fingerprints that were on file at a Missouri prison. That did not change the prints that were on file at the FBI. Ray's prints on the rifle that he used to kill MLK were identified from FBI files. And a number that was engraved on some of the items (maybe including a portable radio) that were found with the rifle, turned out to be Ray's prisoner number in Missouri.

Jo, your entire argument about the fingerprints is meaningless.

Robert99


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 9:16 PM
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what does this have to do with DB Cooper? you put a lot of blame on everyone Jo, is this fair? they have dozens of his prints! regardless of one they don't, Carr did mention "including his other names"

I'm not trying to be rude but this doesn't make any sense to linking him to Cooper,

"information from a bunch of people posting on a thread!" this is your words and is this not what you are doing as well? very confusing Jo!

"Pros and Cons - but the consensus at that time was the central system was NOT fully function and not all states complied and the system was NOT fully operational. "

"NOT one "authority" could understand HOW Weber got arrested in FL with a record and with a gun in 1976 and it NOT hit the central system of prints. I am the ONE who TOLD the FBI about this incident at a later date. Perhaps they did investigate it at that later date but did NOT tell me what the finding where. "

very confusing Jo

I am too tired to try to straighten it out on a computer. If you want it the way it came down CALL ME!

To go back and rehash what I have already stated over and over and the reasons for the MISTAKES the FBI made are futile. I moved forward from that, but that DOES not excuse the FBI for their inability to process information accurately from agent to agent. All I have is WHAT the first agent told me and I CAN PROVE it, but not in a thread. ALSO the next agent made even more errors with HIS interpertation of what the other agent before him had done...an argument he took before the PUBLIC for his OWN personal benefit.

Lies DO NOT BENEFIT anyone!

Another agent could look at the OLD files prior to Carr and see something entirely different! It happens EVERY DAY!

Same way with DR's. One Dr will see something another Dr. missed.

Right now I am not basing Weber on anything but, what I know about him and the time lines (something NONE of you are aware of and won't be until it is explained by someone other than myself).

Blevins' list regarding Weber has all been addressed thru the yrs in this thread...but, he seem to keep forgetting some thing.

The woman who claimed the writing in the book was Duane's - that was disproved long ago and I had the handwriting in the book compared with that of Duane's. The writing in the book was NOT that of Weber. This was taken completely out of the equation a few yrs ago.


mrshutter45

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Farflung

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In order to facilitate a more thorough discussion of DB Cooper, I have generously crafted a database of Bigfoot organizations, which will prove invaluable in regard to pushing people or theories since they too have a vast experience base with using…. nothing. You’re welcome.

1. Bigfoot Researcher’s Organization

http://www.bfro.net/

2. Bigfoot Encounters

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/

3. Oregon Bigfoot

http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/

4. Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy

http://texasbigfoot.com/

5. Bigfoot One

http://www.bigfootone.com/

6. The Un-museum (note: They don’t hire stupid people)

http://www.unmuseum.org/bigfoot.htm

7. The Bigfoot Forums

http://bigfootforums.com/

8. The Bigfoot facebook

http://www.facebook.com/FindBigfoot

9. Kentucky Bigfoot

http://www.kentuckybigfoot.com/

10. Cryptomundo

http://www.cryptomundo.com/

11. Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society

http://www.pabigfootsociety.com/

12. The Bigfoot Recordings

http://www.bigfootsounds.com/

13. The Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization

http://www.gcbro.com/

14. Virginia Bigfoot Research Organization

http://www.virginiabigfootresearch.org/

15. SasqWATCH

http://www.sasqwatchwatch.com/

16. SYLVANIC

http://www.sylvanic.com/

17. Bigfoot Tracker (like ‘Adrenaline Hunter’ without the glitter and shame)

http://www.bigfoottracker.com/

18. Bigfoot Country

http://bigfootcountry.net/

19. Darwin’s Bigfoot

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...hting_n_1835127.html

There you have it, proof that Bigfoot exists. What reason would these people have to lie (excluding delusional psychosis)? The very fact that there are nineteen different organizations, serves as inherent proof that the animal has been part of an FBI sponsored cover-up, which has grown to proportions which simply can’t be ignored. For the answer must be revealed to ‘the public’, and be disclosed for all to see, once and for all.

I will not live forever and may not have the strength to selflessly and bravely carry on my quest, seeking the truth, and getting pissy with anyone who doesn’t violently agree with the ‘truth’, as I have stated many times in the past, and in the future which you aren’t aware of yet, as I have not allowed you to experience that time frame. Now I must feed and rest.


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 9:48 PM
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Jo, You either don't understand what Carr was saying in the two posts (starting with 1995) where he explains the facts concerning the fingerprints or you simply don't want to do anything except argue. I notice that you argued with Carr on that same page (page 80) about fingerprints and DNA. On page 81, the argument continued with you making 11 posts and Carr 6.

Carr plainly told you that the FBI had a copy of Duane's fingerprints in 1942 and that they were updated subsequently during his 25+ arrests. This apparently included his arrests under the name of John Collins.

NO I DO NOT WANT TO ARGUE, BUT SOME OF YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW CARR SHIFTED POSITIONS.

He WRONGLY assumed that DUANE's prints had been updated. THE new system was only put in force in the late 60's and was NOT operational thru out the U.S.

Duane WEBER was on the cusp of this change and NO notable crimes were committed after 1968 so they had NO reason to make sure he was within the new system.

You are right - from 1942 until his death his prints did NOT change - but in 1942 - MONEY bought a lot of things - and some of that was within the system! I want to see prints made AFTER 1942 and compare them to any other prints made later - such as his prints from San Quentin or Folsom or Canon.


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In your arguments with Carr, you mention that James Earl Ray managed to alter his fingerprints that were on file at a Missouri prison. That did not change the prints that were on file at the FBI. Ray's prints on the rifle that he used to kill MLK were identified from FBI files. And a number that was engraved on some of the items (maybe including a portable radio) that were found with the rifle, turned out to be Ray's prisoner number in Missouri.

What book of fiction did you get that out of? He wasn't very smart was he? Maybe he was just a fall guy! Perhaps it was in one of those books of fiction - I read about Ray changing his prints?

Seriously - I have read that Ray changed his prints on some records - just how valid that is, I don't know and I certainly don't feel it is important enough to research. I do know that JEFFERSON had a lot of strange things going on in the 60's - it was VERY CORRUPT! I did a lot of reading about Ray because Duane had told me he knew Ray.

Well, Ray was still in Jefferson when Duane entered the Jefferson system. The ex-wife claimed also that she knew Ray and that was yrs after Duane told me! Her story co-incided with his story about Ray. Remember that Jefferson was the only prison Duane ever discussed with me.....because of the kidney machine I tried NOT to ask question - ONLY what he volunteered. I did approach the subject with "What was it like in a prison". During those last 5 yrs I was working a lot of hours with insurance sales and collections.

In fact I receive something in the mail last wk. A letter dated 12-18-94 written by Duane Weber to his good friend. The friend thought I might like to have it - he is getting older and like myself not young anymore - so we tend to start to get rid of things we have held onto for yrs.

Duane talks about the happiness that this couple brought to anyone around them. Mentions that we were starting to struggle because of his health (the fact the Dr wanted to do a operation and he said no) and how many hours I was working. He tells them about how I got hit by a women after I dropped him off at the Clinic and how much pain I was in...yet continueing to care for him and work.

He tells them about all the hours I put in and tells them I am about as much a saleman as he he was a lover! But explains I put in 10 hours everyday.

He signs this Chrismas letter with Lovew DUane & Jo

This was written 3 months before he died.


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 9:51 PM
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we like to call'em Skunk Apes down in these parts Cool

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_ape


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 10:00 PM
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Jo, You either don't understand what Carr was saying in the two posts (starting with 1995) where he explains the facts concerning the fingerprints or you simply don't want to do anything except argue.


SmileNow that is SOMETHING to argue about. In 1995 - I had never used a computer and Carr WAS not the agent of Record in 1995.

Hell, Duane did NOT die until 1995 OR did I miss something?


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 10:07 PM
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In 1924, the FBI’s Identification Division was established
by authority of the United States congressional budget appropriation
bill for the Department of Justice. The identification
division was created to provide a central repository of
criminal identification data for law enforcement agencies
throughout the United States. The original collection of
fingerprint records contained 810,188 records. After its creation,
hundreds of thousands of new records were added
to this collection yearly, and by the early 1960s the FBI’s
criminal file had grown to about 15 million individuals. This
was in addition to the 63 million records in the civilian file,
much of which was the result of military additions from
World War II and the Korean conflict.

Almost all of the criminal file’s 15 million individuals
contained 10 rolled fingerprints per card for a total of
150 million single fingerprints. Incoming records were
manually classified and searched against this file using the
FBI’s modified Henry system of classification. Approximately
30,000 cards were searched daily. The time and
human resources to accomplish this daily workload
continued to grow. As a card entered the system, a
preliminary gross pattern classification was assigned to
each fingerprint by technicians. The technicians could
complete approximately 100 fingerprint cards per hour.
Complete classification and searching against the massive
files could only be accomplished at an average rate of 3.3
cards per employee per hour. Obviously, as the size of the
criminal file and the daily workload increased, the amount
of resources required continued to grow. Eventually,
classification extensions were added to reduce the portion
of the criminal file that needed to be searched against each
card. Nonetheless, the manual system used for searching
and matching fingerprints was approaching the point of
being unable to handle the daily workload.


Robert99

Oct 13, 2012, 10:10 PM
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Jo, You either don't understand what Carr was saying in the two posts (starting with 1995) where he explains the facts concerning the fingerprints or you simply don't want to do anything except argue.


SmileNow that is SOMETHING to argue about. In 1995 - I had never used a computer and Carr WAS not the agent of Record in 1995.

Hell, Duane did NOT die until 1995 OR did I miss something?

You missed something!

I was referring to post number 1995.

Robert99


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 10:18 PM
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NATIONAL FINGER PRINT COMPLIANCE!

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The arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

If those prints were shared outside of the state - they would have known Weber was a several time felon, but obviously that did NOT happen. Duane did NOT go to jail and he did NOT loose his insurance license. It would have been the Duty of the State of Florida to report to the State of GA (where Weber was living) that they had a felon selling insurance.

Just Saying- Maybe someone miss this!

1976
Ex-con Carrying a concealed Weapon and Receiving Stolen Property plus a DWI - if the State of FL had seen his criminal file he would have done some time - RIGHT!

Evidently his prints WHERE not CROSS CHECKED with the CENTRAL print system - which CARR so flagrantly contested to being in complete compliance in 1971. (It took YRS to make the system to work accurately and for all of the state to become compliant).

As Max used to say 'Gottcha'. There was a real Max in Seattle who used to say that all the time (he was an executive of a large Seattle based Insurance Company). This is how BK gave birth to his Gottcha and his Max.

Good Night!


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 13, 2012, 10:29 PM)


mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 10:29 PM
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Jo, the prints are stored at the FBI, it's not there job to inform the public if a Felon is employed, the employer will have to find out himself.

again, we are talking about the 70's VS today, the laws have changed and are a lot more severe today. you now have the case number Jo, it should be pretty easy to find out what happened to him, back in this period, I would take a gamble and say a fine was given, but that's a guess, I did try and find it online but records don't go back that far online Mad

JSO website


(This post was edited by mrshutter45 on Oct 13, 2012, 10:33 PM)


skyjack71

Oct 13, 2012, 10:40 PM
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Jo, the prints are stored at the FBI, it's not there job to inform the public if a Felon is employed, the employer will have to find out himself.

again, we are talking about the 70's VS today, the laws have changed and are a lot more severe today.

The STATE OF FLORIDA knew thru the National Print System that WEBER had a felon record!

If the STATE OF FL arrests someone today - they check to see if they have a record anywhere. Find the COURT RECORDS?

This guy commits a similar crime in 1958 in St. Pete and now it is 1976 and he is back at it....So if they ran him thru the National Print System and if it was Accurate or if Weber was in it - it would have shown all of those arrests and prisons outside of the State of FL. Hell they would have throw the book at him!

If the system was fully functional in 1976 - Weber would have gone to jail.....

YET, Carr would have us believe the system was FULLY functional in 1968 when Duane was last encarcerated. GIMME A BREAK!


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Oct 13, 2012, 10:45 PM)


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