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mrshutter45

Oct 11, 2012, 5:42 PM
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Feb 26 1990
Hidden safe deposit box opened.
#1664143
Mar 8 1990
Attempt to obtain a drivers license in Santa Rosa County.
Mar 8, 1990
Drives to Escambia County and obtains the John Collins license with not problem in that county.
Mar 9, 1990
Highway Patrol knocks on my door with his picture explaining what happened in Milton the day before.
Mar 9, 1990
Duane is arrested, but not booked and with the Dr.s intervention placed under 72 hour observation. They returned his gun to him????

If the safe deposit box was open in 90, why would the FBI even know about this??

Duane's biggest hurdle is the fact of him being a career criminal, it would be natural for him to change his name, nobody was looking for him as Cooper so changing his name would be for another reason.

sounds like he was "Baker acted" and if nothing was discovered during his stay, they would release the gun to him as long as everything was legal, but, he was a convicted criminal and should not have owned a gun, but nothing out of the ordinary really. possession of a firearm by a convicted felon carries a 5 years sentence, probably more today.

Duane having a lot of money at times should be obvious since he was a criminal, sadly I just can't see the FBI putting a lot of time into checking 20/30 years before the crime with little information or evidence to keep them looking. I realize you have put a lot of time into this, but I just don't see anything to catch my eye, ya never know though Cool


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mrshutter45

Oct 11, 2012, 6:29 PM
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If Duane changed his name to Collins in 88, why would this link him to Cooper? 16 years later, the FBI had no clue who he was until you came forward, why would he change his name if they were not looking for him as Cooper/Weber, must of been another reason why he changed it IMHO.

I think the question is, what does John Collins have in common with DB Cooper?


ParrotheadVol

Oct 11, 2012, 8:32 PM
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Mr. Blevins, this is something I have wondered about and I don't know if you have ever addressed it. Forgive me if I missed it.

Perhaps Bernie does not remember being with KC on that weekend. If they did the job, then certainly he would remember it. But, if they were together doing something completely unrelated to Norjack, then why would anyone expect a man his age to remember what he was doing or who he was with on a particular weekend 40 years ago? Other than the death of Elvis and 9/11, I don't remember where I was at or what I was doing at the time of many major events. So, when he says that KC could be the hijacker, is he even aware that they were supposedly together that weekend? That's a long time ago, and unless he is infatuated with the Cooper case, he probably don't have a clue what he was doing or who he was with on that day. Just a thought.


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 11, 2012, 8:38 PM
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Maybe going to the already used fake identity was to get more cash for his medical needs?

Matt


smokin99

Oct 11, 2012, 9:42 PM
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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.




Robert99

Oct 11, 2012, 9:52 PM
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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.

In all probability it would have been only "SEA" and is the code for the airport. The ticket itself would have been in a standard format approved by the airline industry.

"SEA" would also be on the tags for the checked luggage headed to Seattle.

Robert99






smokin99

Oct 11, 2012, 10:27 PM
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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.


SEA TAC
The stub was like a parking ticket or old theater ticket. It was blue or grey. I never understood how it could have been a parking ticket unless he parked a vehicle at the SEA TAC airport or maybe it was a Ticket someone else who was assisting him may have incurred. This has been discussed before and why I think there was someone with him.

This is not the same as the copy of the airline ticket that I saw in 1994 that would later reappear and then disappear again. Long story I will not repeat as this as I have told the story many time in this thread. Use key words and find my multiple post about this subject.

I'll pass. It's getting late and not gonna grind the point - which is moot anyway. As with so many things Cooper, there is no physical evidence and we're still stuck with "cause I said so and I always tell the truth". SmileLaugh

I'm just saying that most of the "official" language that I'm seeing is "SEA" for anything flight related and "Seattle-Tacoma" for airport related stuff.

Not saying that there wasn't a parking lot or theater called "Sea-Tac" or that these particular entities didn't handle tickets with the word Sea-Tac - just saying that I'm not finding one.


Farflung

Oct 12, 2012, 9:10 AM
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Smokin99 reflectively reflects back to things said in the past before today with:

“…..we're still stuck with "cause I said so and I always tell the truth".”

So much purity, 99 44/100ths pure, so pure it floats. It’s just that this case is so complex (read packed with BS) and fluid (read runny BS) and there is so much information (read tons of BS) to digest (read eat the ‘S’ part of BS). I have an open mind (read the ‘S’ part of BS for brains) on the subject and if it turns out not to be Kenny, perhaps it is someone else (read unashamed BS).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuzpsO4ErOQ

Remember this smokin99, in the battle of 'wills' versus 'wits'; wills always win. That’s why there are fourteen Bigfoot research organizations and one Mensa International.
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mrshutter45

Oct 12, 2012, 5:00 PM
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seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr



I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 12, 2012, 5:43 PM
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I agree it seems SA Carr did a pretty bang up job.
So now where do we look?

Matt


mrshutter45

Oct 12, 2012, 6:18 PM
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I don't know, still working on the flight path, have some weather issues to pan out. perhaps 99 has a good idea on checking all of Tena and going over Catepillar island.

If the money didn't come from the bottom of the Columbia and was not planted, it's very possible the final clue could rest in these area's??? I don't know. I guess there is only one way to find out.....check the islands...$$$$$






RobertMBlevins

Oct 13, 2012, 1:22 AM
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Well, let's do a quick Weber Review.

1) Weber may have claimed on his deathbed that he was Dan Cooper, but there are no other witnesses to that alleged statement.

2) Weber cannot be linked to any verifiable parachute experience. And no one in a sane state of mind would attempt leaping out the back of a moving 727 without at least some prior experience.

3) None of the stews or witnesses have even HINTED that Weber could be the hijacker from pictures.

4) The physical evidence, if any, is lost or otherwise unaccounted for.

5) The witness who said handwriting in a Cooper book was Weber's has retracted her story, or refuses to confirm.

6) Weber cannot be positively placed in the NW United States at the time of the hijacking.

7) None of Weber's ex-wives or other family members have offered definitive evidence leading to the possibility Weber was the hijacker.

8) Occam's Razor might suggest that with so many previous arrests and the extensive hunt for the hijacker, that Weber would have been discovered reletively quickly.

9) Weber's occasional behaviors, (if true) such as tossing a bag off a bridge and taking his wife on a NW trip and dropping hints...might suggest he was living a fantasy and secretly wanted to be Cooper. Most of his life he was a loser. Maybe he wanted to be a winner, and used his wife to further those ends. If this is true, it only shows he was selfish and sentenced her to a life of endless hunting for a truth that was never there.

10) The FBI did an obviously thorough investigation and may have discovered the same things.

Side Note: Picked up my new Nissan truck today. You know where I will be for the next few days: Camping, fishing, hiking, shooting, guitar. Too much work, too much travel lately.

I guess it's like THIS. Smile


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mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 6:41 AM
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keep in mind we are talking about the 70's.

Judges were not as strict as they were today, a DWI was not looked at the same way as today, I'm sure there is a simple reason to all of these charges.

Car explained that they have all 26 arrest records with prints. records can and have been lost or incorrect, even today.

I found a picture you have not posted in a long time of Duane at age 44 in 1968 (see photo) IMHO Duane does not fit the profile. his younger pictures fit the profile, but, not the important ones.

I mentioned this before and found others questioned the same, Duane seems to always have glasses on in 95% of the pictures leading one to believe he always needed them.

If he was selling Insurance as a convicted felon this is hardly the mistake of the FBI and would go unnoticed if the employer didn't do a background check. even today people can slip through the cracks because when a background check is done online they can pay for a certain amount of years back or a full background check, it is very easy not to check the box (yes) on a application for employment asking if you have ever been convicted of a felony, this was the same problem they had with thinking every bank in the world was looking for the 20's the FBI gave Cooper.

"Duane had that resume done in 1979 and it remained in our possession and his possession until I turned it over to the FBI."

1979 to late 1990's how many other people touched this document that is 16 plus years old at the time? prints get smeared.

looking from the outside in I just don't see anything linking Duane to Cooper, you wanted someone to look at this, I have and remain solid on the findings. this is my opinion only and hope you understand Cool


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mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 7:14 AM
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sometimes I think people actually think they will see this (photo) if they hike around the backside of Rushmore Cool


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Farflung

Oct 13, 2012, 8:28 AM
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‘Battle Of Wills’ Is Where Force, Might And Non-sequitur Syntax Is Repeated Without Regard To Question Or Statement While Ignoring The Originator In Favor Of A Litany Of Unrelated And Disjointed Actions Spanning A Vast Span Of Time Which Renders The Reade [In reply to] Can't Post

Mrshutter45 summarizes with:

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"”


Farflung responds with:

No….. no it doesn’t.


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mrshutter45

Oct 13, 2012, 9:39 AM
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"Where is this REPORT - you indicated it was in the thread - I never saw it! The list of name sounds like they didn't as for the spelling. John Claudian Weber was his brothers name."

Jo, the post's made by Carr were from this thread, pages 80 and beyond.

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Shutter says:
my guess would be that Duane changed the name spelling in order to have other options, my past (long time ago) I would leave out my middle name when I would get pulled over, this was enough to hide who I really was and not show the bench warrants out for me for not having a drivers license, I would get a ticket again, but, throw it away because it was not really me and the address was not mine either so they are chasing a ghost! back then it was pretty easy to fool them! I also used my brothers name because he was squeaky clean, however he was not amused once this was discovered Blush

you must understand after they have done a lot of checking on Duane and coming up with nothing but false names and time in prison and prints and DNA not matching they are not going to dig any further.

you keep reporting that Duane had guns, there is no indication that Cooper was armed! IMHO Duane doesn't fit the profile to this case.

you claim yourself Jo that the prints and DNA might not be Cooper's, so where are we going trying to establish Duane's? I understand how frustrating this must be, but looking from our stand point it makes sense to us more than what you can not see.


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Farflung

Oct 13, 2012, 10:14 AM
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RobertMBlevins comments without the use of data or thinking one (1) step downstream about his review with:

“1) Weber may have claimed on his deathbed that he was Dan Cooper, but there are no other witnesses to that alleged statement.”

And that’s exactly one witness more than RobertMBlevins had regarding Dan Cooper comics, Captain Scott talking to Cooper and Bernie breaking into a home and stealing a logbook.


RobertMBlevins ignores an oft repeated and genuine piece of evidence with:

“2) Weber cannot be linked to any verifiable parachute experience. And no one in a sane state of mind would attempt leaping out the back of a moving 727 without at least some prior experience.”

For the ‘Nth’ time, MARTIN MCNALLY JUMPED FROM A 727 WITHOUT ANY EXPERIENCE. He hijacked the most planes, had the most money and NO experience. Never had even touched a parachute before, but please, keep ignoring this evidence and history in your battle of wills.


RobertMBlevins obliquely infers:

“3) None of the stews or witnesses have even HINTED that Weber could be the hijacker from pictures.”

Gee is this some, oh gosh, you know, umm…, have I mentioned this before, a Stewardess said Kenny was the closest she had seen before, but Tina and Alice didn’t say squat, but I just left that out of my question, because I’m passive aggressive like that, and then form a leading statement, even though I deny any such activity statement? Yes.


He then continues like a runaway freight train with:

“4) The physical evidence, if any, is lost or otherwise unaccounted for.”

Like his fingerprints and DNA?


RobertMBlevins adds a non-sequitur to a non-sequitur with:

“5) The witness who said handwriting in a Cooper book was Weber's has retracted her story, or refuses to confirm.”

And if the handwriting in the Cooper book is Duane’s that would prove that he read a book on Cooper after the event, thus damning him to have done what? All it proves is there are many delusionals willing to reinforce the quality of this research with a random 50cc squirt of intellectual diarrhea.


RobertMBlevins continues to steer with the use of another non-sequitur:

“6) Weber cannot be positively placed in the NW United States at the time of the hijacking.”

If a person’s fingerprints or DNA matches the samples in FBI evidence, BUT can’t be placed in the NW United States they are exonerated? This only makes sense on this thread.


RobertMBlevins tweaks the nose of Captain Obvious with:

“7) None of Weber's ex-wives or other family members have offered definitive evidence leading to the possibility Weber was the hijacker.”

Neither has anyone else since ‘definitive evidence’ would lead to an investigation by the FBI, then the ‘definitive evidence’ would be used in a court of law to convict the hijacker.


Occam experiences forced ‘manlove’ with:

“8) Occam's Razor might suggest that with so many previous arrests and the extensive hunt for the hijacker, that Weber would have been discovered reletively quickly.”

Occam screams that an employee of the airline would be identified relatively quickly as well.


RobertMBlevins peers deep into a pool of irony by stating:

“9) Weber's occasional behaviors, (if true) such as tossing a bag off a bridge and taking his wife on a NW trip and dropping hints...might suggest he was living a fantasy and secretly wanted to be Cooper. Most of his life he was a loser. Maybe he wanted to be a winner, and used his wife to further those ends. If this is true, it only shows he was selfish and sentenced her to a life of endless hunting for a truth that was never there.”

Much the way Lyle said he never believed that Kenny was Cooper, but sparked some brain dead investigation which defied every statistic known to science, by ‘proving’ Kenny was coincidentally Cooper.


Captain Obvious hasn’t left the building with:

“10) The FBI did an obviously thorough investigation and may have discovered the same things.”

If Kenny isn’t Cooper, then perhaps, it’s someone else.


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