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georger

Oct 10, 2012, 9:08 AM
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'Sometimes ordinary explanations are the truth?'

Sure. If he HAD any explanations. The crew thought the whole scene was bizarre. He just SITS THERE and says nothing. And he drove all the way down from Port Angeles. Both parties (History Channel and Geestman) already knew he had been caught in a few lies. And about the phone call to his sister. I always point to the only important thing that came out of his appearance: He says Kenny could be the hijacker. But he was WITH Kenny at the time of the hijacking. Why did he say that? If Kenny wasn't the hijacker, he would KNOW that...because he was WITH Kenny. It's a simple point, but I think it's important.
I agree. It may be important.

"He says Kenny could be the hijacker. But he was
WITH Kenny at the time of the hijacking. Why did he
say that?"

Maybe he said that because it's true?

I see no contradiction. He's saying Kenny could have
been the hijacker, maybe referring to skills and KC's
background (or who knows what). Then he's saying:
'But I was with him' (so he isnt the hijacker). And he
leaves it for geniuses to figure out? Some crusty old
men would do that. Have you ever dealt with old
farmers, or retired Navy salts, or barge guys, old
river rats, old mountain men or school teachers,
retired ministers and rabis, ... not to mention "that
woman!".

Some people will just let you hang and stew in your
juices until you are worked up enough to throw
yourself off a cliff! Happens to insurance salesmen
all the time -

In other words, a lot of people would just let you
stand without an answer until your legs buckle, since
its you making the allegations and are all worked up
(about nothing) - a nobody coming out of nowhere
with a book, to suddenly challenge their lives!

So Geestman may be saying: 'Sure, Kenny could
have done it. But he didn't. I was with him.' And
three hours later with nothing added he's saying:
'Go fuck yourselves. Smart-asses'.

Keep track of the fact that if anything definitive ever
does surface to "prove" Kenny was not DB Cooper,
then everything you and Decoded did and said goes
up like a puff of hot air. Good works are no
protection in a random universe.

And some people just have more 'random' in their
lives than others. Geestman has made it this far.
It is you who are struggling and pounding every day
for attention!

Why do you think Geestman owed you or Decoded
an EXPLANTION about anything? It's a NO SALE.
Move on ...


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Robert99

Oct 10, 2012, 10:51 AM
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In reply to:
Why do you think Geestman owed you or Decoded
an EXPLANTION about anything? It's a NO SALE.
Move on ...

Blevins, Georger has given you some good advice.

Robert99


Farflung

Oct 10, 2012, 12:34 PM
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Have some manners and be polite RobertMBlevins. Your vulgar treatment of Bernie is self evident at this point. There was no need to ‘surprise’ Bernie with questions as you are not an agent of law enforcement, or an officer of a court. No matter how much you may believe this with claims of people ‘testifying’ to YOU. These are interviews done on a voluntary basis up to the point that a person is trapped, and then intimidated to stay in a sleazy motel room, with some cameraman hinting that he is with the LAPD.

The fact that you claim the ‘director’ yells ‘cut’ is all one needs to know about this work of fiction. Why on Earth, in the age of video, which is capable of recording German operas, which last for days, would anyone yell cut? Why would anyone stage an ‘ambush’ interview? Either it is spontaneous or it is staged, and Bernie’s interview is clearly staged. The quality of information in such a setting would be nothing but garbage. Once again, this explanation appears to come from some hackneyed television plot and holds no resemblance to reality. I have taken polygraph tests and knew each and every question- beforehand, answered YES or NO (no quibbling) and they took twenty minutes or less. You have somehow beat the masters in the industry, as I was never told if I lied but was given some number on a scale of 1 to 27 (I think) which indicated degrees of potential deception. It was also a very comfortable and sedate session.

Who was it that said Bernie stole his Foss logs (only for 1971)? Was it the same woman who raced in the Iditarod and was the first to drive four Clydesdales abreast? It was found that those claims were false. Did you see a copy of the police report which indicates the date of the ‘break in’ with a list of the ‘stolen’ property. I’m guessing no. But this should serve as fodder for at least four iterations of misunderstanding.

It’s time to apologize to all those you have trespassed, Bernie does not have much longer.
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skyjack71

Oct 10, 2012, 4:34 PM
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In reply to:

"He says Kenny could be the hijacker. But he was
WITH Kenny at the time of the hijacking. Why did he
say that?"

Maybe he said that because it's true?

I see no contradiction. He's saying Kenny could have
been the hijacker, maybe referring to skills and KC's
background (or who knows what). Then he's saying:
'But I was with him' (so he isnt the hijacker). And he
leaves it for geniuses to figure out? Some crusty old
men would do that. Have you ever dealt with old
farmers, or retired Navy salts, or barge guys, old
river rats, old mountain men or school teachers,
retired ministers and rabis, ... not to mention "that
woman!".

Some people will just let you hang and stew in your
juices until you are worked up enough to throw
yourself off a cliff! Happens to insurance salesmen
all the time -

In other words, a lot of people would just let you
stand without an answer until your legs buckle, since
its you making the allegations and are all worked up
(about nothing) - a nobody coming out of nowhere
with a book, to suddenly challenge their lives!

So Geestman may be saying: 'Sure, Kenny could
have done it. But he didn't. I was with him.' And
three hours later with nothing added he's saying:
'Go fuck yourselves. Smart-asses'.

Keep track of the fact that if anything definitive ever
does surface to "prove" Kenny was not DB Cooper,
then everything you and Decoded did and said goes
up like a puff of hot air. Good works are no
protection in a random universe.

And some people just have more 'random' in their
lives than others. Geestman has made it this far.
It is you who are struggling and pounding every day
for attention!

Why do you think Geestman owed you or Decoded
an EXPLANTION about anything? It's a NO SALE.
Move on ...

SmileSmileSmile
BEST post you ever made! Geestman was appalled by the questions and obviously felt they didn't needed to be answered. He was trying to be respectful, but then just settled with the best answer he could find.

UnsureThose women had been intimidated and inticed to provide the answers Blevins wanted to extract from them and now there is NO way they can extricate themselves from the story...except to tell the truth and realize that they were led on by Blevins.

After all NO ONE knew who Cooper was and the fact that the FBI had as far as they knew NO real suspects, what did they have to loose? The FBI had not found Cooper in 37 yrs - what was the chances of their ever finding Cooper? It was a chance for them to become rich and famous. At that time Jo Weber had been silent for about 5 yrs or so Blevins thought. Then he finds the DZ site and figures he better step-in and do everything he can to focus the FBI and the public on KC.

Well, it didn't word did it? Blevins just continues to bury himself and embarrass these too old ladies into continuing the charade. Perhaps he has even convinced them it is the truth.

Wonder what these 2 women would say or do if all of the posts Blevins has made and the arguments presented where laid out infront of them? Has Blevins ever told them about DZ and Weber or any of the other suspects?

Geestman would be the only one who would say - "Thank Heavens this is Over. I tried to tell them NO WAY!" Geestman could be like myself and just freeze-up when confronted.

I requested his phone number and contact information, but was not able to contact him. Part of Blevins plan is to KEEP Geestman's location and contact number confidential until the old man kicks the bucket - then there would be NO one to say "The story is a pile of CRAP".

Let Blevins be assured that if a lawsuit is in the works that he would NOT know until the papers are served. Perhaps Geestman is sitting back and laughing his ass off about the story - just too old to do anything about it.

Wonder what Geestman would say if I showed up on his door and he knew in advance who I was? I believe he would greet me with an open mind and open arms.

What I saw of the motel the program provided (note it was shown to some degree in Decoded) - I wouldn't stay there.
It looked pretty shabby to me. The one time I saw the program (the night it aired) - I remember Geestman near an open door.

Note, I do not have anything, but antenna so I viewed it at a friends house the night it aired...I have not seen nor have I desired to have a copy of it. Am I right about the door of the motel and Geestman at the entry just outside the door. If I am - then you guys have just learned how good or bad my visual memory is.


skyjack71

Oct 10, 2012, 4:46 PM
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Now if that is a recent picture of Bernie Geestman - arrange for me to meet him - WOW! In Fact besides the color of eyes (they appear light in the photo) he is a better Cooper than KC!

Maybe I blinked when they put the camera on Geestman - don't remember him looking like that!
Maybe my memory is not so good!


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 10, 2012, 11:04 PM
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Quote:
'Sometimes ordinary explanations are the truth?'

Sure. If he HAD any explanations. The crew thought the whole scene was bizarre. He just SITS THERE and says nothing. And he drove all the way down from Port Angeles. Both parties (History Channel and Geestman) already knew he had been caught in a few lies. And about the phone call to his sister. I always point to the only important thing that came out of his appearance: He says Kenny could be the hijacker. But he was WITH Kenny at the time of the hijacking. Why did he say that? If Kenny wasn't the hijacker, he would KNOW that...because he was WITH Kenny. It's a simple point, but I think it's important.

Georger says:

Quote:
I agree. It may be important.

"He says Kenny could be the hijacker. But he was
WITH Kenny at the time of the hijacking. Why did he
say that?"

Maybe he said that because it's true?

I see no contradiction. He's saying Kenny could have
been the hijacker, maybe referring to skills and KC's
background (or who knows what). Then he's saying:
'But I was with him' (so he isnt the hijacker)...'

WRONG. At the time Geestman was interviewed, he did not know that Helen Jones and her daughter placed Kenny and Geestman together over the week of the hijacking. And where did you see that Geestman admitted he was with Christiansen? He didn't, even when he was asked. Remember? ('I wasn't an accomplice to Kenny Peter Christiansen or anybody...') I'm currently checking on whether the cast specifically asked him if he was with KC the week of the crime. (See last paragraph for details)

In addition, the Revised Edition of Blast (with the chapter on Jones and her daughter) wasn't released until about three months post-filming. I spoke to Pete Berg about Jones' testimony on the day they were setting up to film Geestman. It was too late to get any of her testimony into the show, although looking back now, I should have insisted on it. But, the main crew was already ready to go at the Bonney Lake Library for my last segment, while a smaller crew over in Puyallup was already making arrangements for Geestman's interview later that day.

As far as the missing Foss Tugs logbook, it wasn't Margie Geestman who discovered it was missing. That was ME. She dragged out this box of logbooks, supposedly to show me how Bernie was double-dipping on payroll or something. I didn't see any evidence of that, although I am not a bookkeeper. What I DID notice was that the '71 log was gone. This seemed awfully coincidental since Bernie G had used Foss as an alibi for his whereabouts the year of the hijacking:

Quote:
'I was gone ten or eleven months out of the year with Foss...' (In 1971)


A senior exec at Foss Tugs has said this was not true.

Margie Geestman then volunteered that the logbook was probably taken by Bernie at the same time he took the other items. No, I didn't see a police report. I saw a front door that had been completely kicked off its hinges, and then sort-of repaired. There were now padlocks on that door, as well as one interior door...the one leading to a spare bedroom full of boxes of pics and documents. Maybe thirty boxes in total. She said the only thing missing after the break-in were several photo albums and a bunch of personal docs, some relating to ownership of the property. This happened within six weeks after Kenny died. (Remember: Geestman said on Decoded he visited Kenny while he was in the hospital and dying.) She had guns in plain sight. None were taken in the break-in, she said, and nothing else. She still had some photo albums, but now only had one picture of she and Kenny, which she had put into a special frame on the wall. (The one of Kenny and her standing together shortly before he died) Since the missing photo albums were mostly pics relating to Bernie somehow, it didn't take Margaret long to figure out who did the break-in. When I discovered the missing logbook, this only reinforced her belief that it was Bernie who broke into the house. My theory on it was that after Kenny died, Bernie drove up there in an attempt to take away anything he could find that linked he and Christiansen somehow, and he did a pretty good job on that. There may be a record with the FBI on this break-in. Margaret said that she spoke to a female FBI agent out of Spokane shortly after the break-in, and more than once. Not because of the missing logbook, (she didn't realize it was gone back then) but because of some missing property ownership papers. I have no other details on that.

I didn't 'lead' or 'coerce' the witnesses like some magical, hypnosis-driven, Svengali. Some gave important info before they even knew Kenny was a suspect in the hijacking. That allegation...that I led the witnesses somehow...is completely ridiculous. Don't you think I thought of that at the beginning? I went out of my way whenever possible to obtain info on Kenny and Geestman without tainting it by saying Kenny was a suspect. That would have been plain stupid. And these people were not the first people I've ever interviewed. Leading witnesses is dumb because then whatever you obtain from them in that manner is tainted and useless. So you don't DO that. You ask questions. You take notes and record the answers. Later, you check on those answers. And that's exactly what I did. On another side note, in her last interview, Margie Geestman admitted that Kenny could have been the hijacker, after months of denial. This makes her the SECOND person to say that, not counting the opinion-only of Bernie's sister. And she said that the day before Bernie said the same thing for Decoded.

It's possible that all the witnesses were either 'led' or they are all lying, and that I forged all the docs and pictures, and that they used a phony stand-in for Geestman on the show. It's also possible that when you see Mickey Mouse at Disneyland that it's the same Mickey Mouse you saw on Steamboat Willie. None of you have really been able to dispute the actual evidence against KC with any effectiveness. You like to pick on the occasional detail that has nothing to do with whether he was guilty (see: Scott reference) or just go after the messenger.

Georger says that if anything comes up that absolutely proves KC wasn't the hijacker, then the Decoded show and Blast were a big waste of time. True enough.

But it goes the OTHER way, too. I think that's a possibility some of you fear.

BTW: I am receiving responses now from the three cast members on Decoded about Bernie's interview, via Facebook messaging. I asked them to expand on what happened that day. When they give me permission to publish their responses, I will do so. Not here at Dropzone, but in a Newsvine article. It's more public that way.


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georger

Oct 10, 2012, 11:50 PM
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WRONG. At the time Geestman was interviewed, he
did not know that Helen Jones and her daughter
placed Kenny and Geestman together over the week
of the hijacking.

And where did you see that Geestman admitted he
was with Christiansen? .
Where? From you last night, you said quote:

"I always point to the only important thing that came
out of his appearance: He says Kenny could be the
hijacker. But he was WITH Kenny at the time of the
hijacking. Why did he say that? If Kenny wasn't the
hijacker, he would KNOW that...because he was
WITH Kenny. It's a simple point, but I think it's
important."

Re-read my post. Geestman may separating 'could
be' from 'was'. The abstract possibility from the fact
of being. In other words: 'had skills, worked for the
airlines, knew 727's, had parachuting in his
background, and had guts enough to do something
like the Cooper hijacking'. Versus: 'But I was with
him'. And the unsaid part: 'So you figure it out!'
In other words, he is showing contempt for you.

It's only a theory.

But when you ask: "where did you see that
Geestman admitted he was with Christiansen?"

The answer is: from you. Your words last night and
now above ... that's where.


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RobertMBlevins

Oct 11, 2012, 12:11 AM
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You are splitting hairs and using word games. Geestman knew why he was being interviewed. He knew History Channel had already caught him lying twice, and then trying to manipulate his sister over the phone.

He just didn't know that he had already been put together with KC the week of the hijacking. Unfortunately, neither did anyone who was at the shoot in Puyallup. Only Pete Berg and I discussed the tesimony by Helen Jones, and Berg was working the Bonney Lake Library shoot that day. This was the morning Jones drove up to the Bonney Lake Library looking for me.

This is also the only part where everyone, including me, dropped the ball on Decoded. I should have insisted they ask Bernie Geestman about Jones' and his ex's testimony that he was WITH Christiansen over the time of the hijacking. And that they should have slammed that question to him the very moment he said Kenny could have been the guy. Failure=YES.

This is why I've said the Seattle FBI should ask him this question, and interview Jones and her daughter.

It was a tough week at the office, as the saying goes. First, a weekend interviewing Jones and her daughter, then a drive up to Twisp to do the final interview with Margie Geestman, (500 miles and two mountain passes each way) and then showing up a final shoot in Bonney Lake.


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georger

Oct 11, 2012, 1:06 AM
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You are splitting hairs and using word games. Geestman knew why he was being interviewed. He knew History Channel had already caught him lying twice, and then trying to manipulate his sister over the phone.

He just didn't know that he had already been put together with KC the week of the hijacking. Unfortunately, neither did anyone who was at the shoot in Puyallup. Only Pete Berg and I discussed Jones, and he was working the Bonney Lake Library shoot that day. This was the morning Helen Jones drove up looking for me.

This is also the only part where everyone, including me, dropped the ball on Decoded. I should have insisted they ask him about Jones' and his ex's testimony that he was WITH Christiansen over the time of the hijacking. And that they should have slammed that question to him the very moment he said Kenny could have been the guy. Failure=YES.

This is why I've said the Seattle FBI should ask him this question, and interview Jones and her daughter.

It was a tough week at the office, as the saying goes. First, a weekend interviewing Jones and her daughter, then a drive up to Twisp to do the final interview with Margie Geestman, (500 miles and two mountain passes each way) and then showing up a final shoot in Bonney Lake.

So now you are saying you statement below was
wrong? Kenny never actually said (your words):
"But he was WITH Kenny at the time of the
hijacking. Why did he say that?"


Quote: "I always point to the only important thing
that came out of his appearance: He says Kenny
could be the hijacker. But he was WITH Kenny at the
time of the hijacking. Why did he say that?"

Either he said he was with Kenny or he didn;t!

Its not splitting hairs. He either said it or not, as
you say it above ?


RobertMBlevins

Oct 11, 2012, 1:37 AM
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Georger says in part:

Quote:
'So now you are saying you statement below was wrong? Kenny never actually said (your words):
"But he was WITH Kenny at the time of the
hijacking. Why did he say that?"

Quote: "I always point to the only important thing
that came out of his appearance: He says Kenny
could be the hijacker. But he was WITH Kenny at the
time of the hijacking. Why did he say that?"

What in the name of Johnny Appleseed are you talking about? 'Kenny never actually said...' I never quoted Kenny Christiansen there. Geestman stated on Decoded he thought Kenny could be the hijacker.

Since there are witnesses who place Geestman with Kenny over the week of the crime, I asked why Geestman would volunteer that. Everything else about it you can read in my previous post.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Oct 11, 2012, 2:01 AM)


georger

Oct 11, 2012, 2:26 AM
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In reply to:
Georger says in part:

Quote:
'So now you are saying you statement below was wrong? Kenny never actually said (your words):
"But he was WITH Kenny at the time of the
hijacking. Why did he say that?"

Quote: "I always point to the only important thing
that came out of his appearance: He says Kenny
could be the hijacker. But he was WITH Kenny at the
time of the hijacking. Why did he say that?"

What in the name of Johnny Appleseed are you talking about? 'Kenny never actually said...' I never quoted Kenny Christiansen there. Geestman stated on Decoded he thought Kenny could be the hijacker.

Since there are witnesses who place Geestman with Kenny over the week of the crime, I asked why Geestman would volunteer that. Everything else about it you can read in my previous post.


"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

I can read.

Your previous post literally says:

"He says Kenny could be the hijacker. But he was WITH Kenny at the time of the hijacking. Why did he say that? "

You are saying Geestman SAID it.

Dont jump down my throat. They are your words.

I guess you didnt say what you meant!
Or you miss spoke ...

Or this is all Blevins-speak ?

I can only go by what you say and do not say.
Its not splitting hairs. Its reading the English
language.

If you dont say what you mean ... whose fault is
that?

Never mind.

I understand you are now saying Geestmanw as not
aware that others had placed him with Kenny. But
you said in your post quote: Why did he say that?
After you had just said: He says Kenny could be the
hijacker.

Bottom line is, you need to say things more clearly
to eliminate any possible confusion. You probably
thought you did. You probably think we are all mind
readers too.

I think I now understand what you tried to say but
didnt say clearly.

Maybe you should forget about Marilyn Monroe and
concentrate on writing?


(This post was edited by georger on Oct 11, 2012, 2:34 AM)


Farflung

Oct 11, 2012, 8:17 AM
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RobertMBlevins quibbles with:

As far as the missing Foss Tugs logbook, it wasn't Margie Geestman who discovered it was missing. That was ME.”

Oh, OK that makes the fact that only one set was stolen instead of all of them plausible, since it was YOU and not Margie that made the discovery. Because I was asking who discovered the missing log instead of the ridiculous inference that the ‘only’ one stolen was from 1971.

So since YOU are the person who discovered the lone ‘stolen’ logbook, you can answer some logical questions regarding that subject.


What years of logbooks were in the box(s)?

Did you go through all 30 (approximate) boxes searching for the absent logbook?

Did the 30 (approximate) other boxes appear to be rifled or searched?

What indication led you to believe those boxes were searched?

Margie lied about the Iditarod and the Clydesdales, did she lie about the logbook too?


RobertMBlevins oddly states:

No, I didn't see a police report. I saw a front door that had been completely kicked off its hinges, and then sort-of repaired.”

Why would you accept the premise of a ‘break in’ without asking to see a police report which would confirm the event? You were looking for logs to confirm ‘double dipping’, which has nothing to do with the hijacking, why not confirm the break in with a police report?

How many years was it between the ‘break in’ and when you noticed the ‘sort of’ repaired door? More than a decade?

What sort of Fly By Night insurance policy did Margie have which didn’t cover a compromised entry door? Padlocks on an obliterated frame offer little security and would impede an escape in the event of a fire. Not a wise choice regarding security or repairs.

Why wasn’t the door repaired in the preceding ten or more years?

Why would Margie contact the FBI about a home invasion? Or property papers? Neither appear to be Federal crimes.

Where is the report which confirms the FBI visit(s)?

Margie says the ‘ONLY’ things missing from the break in were some photos of Kenny, but YOU immediately discover the missing logbook. How reliable could her assessment about the ‘ONLY’ things missing be, when you blunder on something else missing in the first box you open? Doesn’t this strike some concern regarding the integrity of her recall?


My goodness, this certainly is a lot of loose ends from an investigation which included multiple visits and countless hours of ‘testimony’. If I was to identify a trend, it would be that official documentation is non-existent and single source inference becomes solid fact with little validation. There’s plenty more wrong with this tale but I only had a few minutes to review.


skyjack71

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The FBI claimed Duane was not in McNeil and then later said he only passed thru McNeil;

NOW for a HISTORY LESSON on MC Neil!

During 1945 and 1947 the McNeil Island Camp population rose to an all time high of 320 men.

This accounts for the short term commitments and the closing of 2 satelllite camps at KOOSKIA, IDAHO which 1st opened in 1935 and the Dupont Camp which was closed (I do not think the dates on the Dupont camp are accurate) in 1943. If some one knows HOW to check out the dates of the Dupont Camp - please do so.

A camp opened at Columbia, WA in 1944 which remained open until 1948, but since the institution classification commite sent nearly all of the prisoners with a sentence of less than a yr to camp, draft dodgers provided a need that could only be satisfied by a second camp.

The men were HOUSED in TEMPORARY UNITS AS well as a completed dormitory. They were employed in CLEARING LAND, cultivating and CARING for livestock.

In 1948 a SAWMILL was constructed at a McNeil Island Camp with provided additional employment for the expanded population. (prison population)

The closing of the 2 camp, Dupont and Kooskia, resulted in the farm at McNeil Island being designated as an official Federal Prison Camp and a separate institution from the United States Penitentiary.

On the broard was Van D. Hubbard (where have you guys heard that name before). Also R.C. Warren ,

I suggest the FBI re-open the case on WEBER now and with the following post after a little rest I will spell out some MORE things.


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skyjack71

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In Early 1990 Duane L. Weber was place on dialysis - he knew that he knew 5 yrs would be the extent of his life on the machine.

He laid his plan accordingly.

Knowing his ability to travel would be compromised he had one last mission he had to accomplish in his life.

He opened a safety deposit box unknown to me until his death until I found a receipt dated 02/26/90. Box #14 at the Citizens & Peoples National Bank of Pensacola. This was the beginning of his plan.

This box is the one I found the Soldier of Fortune Magazine in after his death in 1995 - NOTHING else was there.

On 3/08/90 Duane presented himself and some documents to the Santa Rosa County Drivers License Dept - He was turned away because the documents were insuffient to obtain a drivers license under the name of John C. Collins.

On 3/09/90 A Hwy Patrol man knocked on my door and presented a picture of Duane on a laminated card the size of a drivers license. He wanted to know if I knew the man - I said yes, but asked what this was all about.

He explained that the man had tried to obtain a drivers license under the name of John Collins but was refused because of insuffient photo identification.

They became suspicious and followed him but lost him after the reach another county. They traced the tag and thought he might be my father. I explained it was NOT my father, but my husband and he was 17 yrs older than myself and had just gone on the kidney machine. They asked me if I knew where he was and I lied (not well) that I didn't know.

I immediately got into my vehicle and went to Pensacola and the shop on Creighton. I told him what had happened and before he could explain - 2 local officers and s Patrolman entered the building. Duane immediately put both hands on the desk....cussing me for turning him in. I told him I knew nothing about this and I was there to find out. They must have followed me.

They found on his person a gun strapped to his chest concealed style! I was shocked!. As the went to cuff him I explained he had a fistual in his right arm and they needed to cuff him infront and that he had just started diaylsis. They felt the fistual and then complied. I called his Dr. and the Dr. intervened and he was not booked but taken to the Pavillion for 72 hours observation. No charges were ever pressed (the Dr. must have done a good job of explaining his health situation and that it was mind altering chemicals).

AFTER DUANE DIED in 1995 and I sold the van - the buyer returned to me a WALLET he said was my husbands wallet. I knew I had my husbands wallet. The man claimed never to have looked in the wallet when he returned it to me - but a wk or so before when he first found the wallet in the van he told me had my husbands wallet with his identification and some papers in it. ALL of the ID was for JOHN COLLINS.

I was aware of the attempt to obtain a Drivers License under the name of John Collins ID in 1990 - I was NOT really concerned and put it away with the rest of his things I had kept.
Duane had explained to me he had been in prison in Jefferson for a few months. I just was me and decided it was not something I would dwell on....when he told me about this in 1990....I had already invested 12 yrs into the marriage and was NOT one to walk away from a problem - but, to deal with it.

It would NOT be until 1996 when I found out who Dan Cooper was that I contacted the FBI.

What the FBI MISSED in the next post!


skyjack71

Oct 11, 2012, 2:23 PM
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GO LIGHT THE FBI MISSED!

Feb 26 1990
Hidden safe deposit box opened.
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Mar 8 1990
Attempt to obtain a drivers license in Santa Rosa County.

Mar 8, 1990
Drives to Escambia County and obtains the John Collins license with not problem in that county.

Mar 9, 1990
Highway Patrol knocks on my door with his picture explaining what happened in Milton the day before.

Mar 9, 1990
Duane is arrested, but not booked and with the Dr.s intervention placed under 72 hour observation. They returned his gun to him???
?


NOW, for the KICKER!
AND very important:

The drivers license he obtained under the John Collins is REAL!

It says issued 11-08-1988, BUT now GET this. There is a receipt for the license - the fbi ignored.
The receipt states the application date was Mar 3, 1990 and the type issue was DUPLICATE....

The name on the ID
John ------ Collins
address.....
The man was a real man in the area so I cannot give that information.

Date of birth 11-13-28.
Expiration 11-13-92

So Duane stole a man's identity and managed to obtain a ligitimate drivers license with his picture on it by claiming a lost or stolen license.

HOW DID THE FBI MISS THIS!

The FBI DID NOT catch this - I DID! But not until after they sent me the letter dismissing Duane in 1998.

I contacted the FBI and brought it to their attention, but I was IGNORED!WHAT did Jo do - she investigated.

I found there was a man with that name who lived at that address. I called and a woman answered IN 1998. She told me they had a break-in of their home in 1990, but nothing of value was taken. All Weber wanted was some Identification so he could get the drivers license!

I contacted the FBI, but was ignored.

Yrs later I would recontact the residents of the home. That time I get a man and he said he didn't remember the incident - but he was getting old.

BIGGEST QUESTION OF ALL - WHY WAS IT SO IMPORTANT TO OBTAIN A DRIVERS LICENSE UNDER THE NAME OF JOHN COLLINS - HE WOULD RISK BEING FOUND OUT AND GO TO PRISON! Only one answer to get into a safe deposit box under that name in Omaha or Oklahoma - LARRY CARR JUST LAUGHED AND NEVER CHECKED IT OUT - THEN I GOT MAD!


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skyjack71

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Note the Dr. asked if we could live separately for a few wks so Duane could get his bearing and the Travel trailer we had is moved to the shop - lots of trees and he had the electricity to run from the shop and could use the bathroom there if he wanted instead of the travel trailer bathroom...it was a light weight and the largest we could pull with the Astro Van.

March 12 1990 Duane is released from The Pavilion.

Duane brings Symba home because he is missing Sassy.
The truth is he has something to do and Symba would be in the way.

Duane takes the travel trailer to Tallahassee to 4 day flea market, but leaves his friend Jim incharge asking him if he could manage the set up alone approximatey. This was a Thursday and Duane told Jim he would be back by Friday, but it would be Saturday afternoon before Weber returns.

For that same time period an airline ticket appeared on my credit card - one that the card company refused to wipe out - it was ONE way - and I believe it was Omaha, Nebraska. I remember it had be be Omaha, Nebraska or Olahoma City. Finally Duane threw the money on the table and told me to just pay it about 9 months later.

I would NOT link this until 1996. I thought maybe he had bought a homeless person a ticket home, but didn't want to tell me.
BUT, that ticket was HIS. He had cash for one way but not both ways.

Jim would later tell me after I found out who Dan Cooper was about walking into the shop a couple of days after the trip and Duane is counting money on the desk - 100 dollar bills. I asked he was sure and if he was making this up...He was earnest.

He judged it was 50K. He claimed his yrs of law enforcement in AL and owning his own business - he knew what 50K looked like in 100 dollar bills. I told him there was NO money in the safe deposit box, but during those last 5 yrs before Duane Died he took a lot of people out to dinner and that last yr bought a lot of NICE gifts for the nurses, the Dr. and for me and other friends. He would just always tell me the shop had a good week. The shop was closed about a yr before Duane died...but he gave the name of the shop to an woman who used the name and took things on consignment for him. Very little merchandise - moved as far as I could tell.

While Duane had the trailer at the shop in 1990 our anniversay came up and he asked me if I wanted to go out to dinner (sorta of a date). The place he wanted to take me was very expensive and I asked if we could afford it.

This was the same period of time I got in the van to go someplace with him and he was still angry - I knew better than to snoop into his stuff - but I looked into a large Cooler we used as a console. In there was a LARGE white bank BAG and I opened it up - I told Ralph what the bag said. That bag was in pristine condition therefore it was protected.

That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

This was the same day he showed me a copy of that same magazine article - that he put into the safe deposit box. BUT the book in the safe was a 1994 issue - so they were the same article but different issues. When I first saw that article was 1990.

Stupid me had NO idea what all of this stuff was about.

In March of 1995 he would enter the hospital for the last time and he died on March 28th - one day after our 17th Anniversary.

HOW in the HELL can anyone make this shit up? I am not a writer and my story has never changed!

I do want you guys to seriously analyze the dates of the license and tell me the FBI really checked Weber out!


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skyjack71

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Hey Blevins - how does that go with you. I have the ACTUAL documents?

The Vice Presidential Debate is coming on soon. You guys know I was born and raised not too far from there. I spent 2 terms at Centre, but my parents pulled me out when they retired and moved to Florida.

Actually do NOT know how they are housing the media and candidates. No major airports there and not too many hotels or motels. Been wonder who pulled the debate off being done in
Danville.

Most of the student population in the 50's was Yankees - Rich kids with high academics and lots of money - but the parents wanted them in a small town enviroment.

I waited tables for my spending money on the Girls Campus which was on the other side of town. Had to catch the bus in my uniform many mornings to make my first class. Needless to say - I was treated like a servant.

Hope you guys actually take the time to read the last 4 posts before this one. Every word is true and I want answers from the FBI regarding their flawed investigation of Weber if I have to go to WA and get arrested in the process.

If they think I am NOT serious - TRY ME! I expect some communications from them and if they do not communicate and provide some answers - well, it is anyones guess what I might do.
I am not going to die without some answers.


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mrshutter45

Oct 11, 2012, 5:42 PM
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Feb 26 1990
Hidden safe deposit box opened.
#1664143
Mar 8 1990
Attempt to obtain a drivers license in Santa Rosa County.
Mar 8, 1990
Drives to Escambia County and obtains the John Collins license with not problem in that county.
Mar 9, 1990
Highway Patrol knocks on my door with his picture explaining what happened in Milton the day before.
Mar 9, 1990
Duane is arrested, but not booked and with the Dr.s intervention placed under 72 hour observation. They returned his gun to him????

If the safe deposit box was open in 90, why would the FBI even know about this??

Duane's biggest hurdle is the fact of him being a career criminal, it would be natural for him to change his name, nobody was looking for him as Cooper so changing his name would be for another reason.

sounds like he was "Baker acted" and if nothing was discovered during his stay, they would release the gun to him as long as everything was legal, but, he was a convicted criminal and should not have owned a gun, but nothing out of the ordinary really. possession of a firearm by a convicted felon carries a 5 years sentence, probably more today.

Duane having a lot of money at times should be obvious since he was a criminal, sadly I just can't see the FBI putting a lot of time into checking 20/30 years before the crime with little information or evidence to keep them looking. I realize you have put a lot of time into this, but I just don't see anything to catch my eye, ya never know though Cool


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skyjack71

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If the safe deposit box was open in 90, why would the FBI even know about this??

SmileBecause I told them about it! And the agent saw the papers.



In reply to:
Duane's biggest hurdle is the fact of him being a career criminal, it would be natural for him to change his name, nobody was looking for him as Cooper so changing his name would be for another reason.

ShockedChanging his name when he has property and friend in the area UNDER Duane L. Weber and has to depend on a machine to keep him alive. FIND A REASON Duane would take such a risk to obtain and old ID he had used
His SS and medical was under DUANE L. Weber....GIVE me a SOLID reason for his going to such risk to obtain the John Collins ID at that time in his life.

WHY WOULD HE HAVE NEEDED TO REACTIVATE THE COLLINS NAME IN 1990 WHEN HE ALREADY KNEW HIS TIME ON THIS EARTH WAS LIMITED AND HE HAD AT THE MOST WITH A MACHINE 5 YRS TO LIVE.


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but, he was a convicted criminal and should not own a gun, but nothing out of the ordinary really. possession of a firearm by a convicted felon carries a 5 years sentence, probably more today.

WELL! I it was NOT the first time he was arrested and walked away with his gun in the state of Florida. The first time was before I knew him...he was picked up in Jacksonville for a DUI with a gun on him. 1975 approx - before the state shared information on ex-cons.



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Duane having a lot of money at times should be obvious since he was a criminal.


Well, he had led a good life since 1972 and lived well with documented proven employment as an insurance agent and State manager....(ex-cons can NOT hold an Insurance License in most states).


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I just can't see the FBI putting a lot of time into checking 20/30 years before the crime with little information or evidence to keep them looking
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The John Collins was reactivation was in 1990 - 5 yrs before he died. This should have been a spot light for the FBI. DID they not ask themselve why this man need to re-activate the old ID at this stage of his life considering his personal circumstances.

You are NOT grasping what I am saying - perhaps I did NOT make myself clear.


mrshutter45

Oct 11, 2012, 6:29 PM
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If Duane changed his name to Collins in 88, why would this link him to Cooper? 16 years later, the FBI had no clue who he was until you came forward, why would he change his name if they were not looking for him as Cooper/Weber, must of been another reason why he changed it IMHO.

I think the question is, what does John Collins have in common with DB Cooper?


ParrotheadVol

Oct 11, 2012, 8:32 PM
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Mr. Blevins, this is something I have wondered about and I don't know if you have ever addressed it. Forgive me if I missed it.

Perhaps Bernie does not remember being with KC on that weekend. If they did the job, then certainly he would remember it. But, if they were together doing something completely unrelated to Norjack, then why would anyone expect a man his age to remember what he was doing or who he was with on a particular weekend 40 years ago? Other than the death of Elvis and 9/11, I don't remember where I was at or what I was doing at the time of many major events. So, when he says that KC could be the hijacker, is he even aware that they were supposedly together that weekend? That's a long time ago, and unless he is infatuated with the Cooper case, he probably don't have a clue what he was doing or who he was with on that day. Just a thought.


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matthewcline  (D 21585)

Oct 11, 2012, 8:38 PM
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Maybe going to the already used fake identity was to get more cash for his medical needs?

Matt


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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.


skyjack71

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If Duane changed his name to Collins in 88, why would this link him to Cooper? 16 years later, the FBI had no clue who he was until you came forward, why would he change his name if they were not looking for him as Cooper/Weber, must of been another reason why he changed it IMHO.

I think the question is, what does John Collins have in common with DB Cooper?

Duane did NOT change his name to Collins in 1988?????

Duane had NO reason other than to get into the the safety deposit box in 1990. NONE! IOTA!

He obtained a drivers license to get into an old safety deposit box.


Robert99

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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.

In all probability it would have been only "SEA" and is the code for the airport. The ticket itself would have been in a standard format approved by the airline industry.

"SEA" would also be on the tags for the checked luggage headed to Seattle.

Robert99


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