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BrianSGermain  (D 11154)

Oct 6, 2012, 11:46 AM
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I invite you all to watch this new video regarding bridle routing that may change the way you pack.

Enjoy!
BG
http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be


airtwardo  (D License)

Oct 6, 2012, 12:35 PM
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I left a comment on your FB post...I find it funny that the 'new' was is actually the OLD way we did 25+ years ago! CoolWink


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Oct 6, 2012, 3:54 PM
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Standard racer closing method for twenty plus years :)


Southern_Man  (C License)

Oct 6, 2012, 6:43 PM
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Which manufacturer's have recommended routing the bridle out the bottom?

For those, it is the recommendation or is it an alternative approved method?


FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Oct 6, 2012, 9:32 PM
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I left a comment on your FB post...I find it funny that the 'new' was is actually the OLD way we did 25+ years ago! CoolWink

So why did you stop?


airtwardo  (D License)

Oct 6, 2012, 9:49 PM
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I left a comment on your FB post...I find it funny that the 'new' was is actually the OLD way we did 25+ years ago! CoolWink

So why did you stop?


I didn't. Wink

Way back when - pic covers were Velcro and the flaps were bigger and square for the most part.

IIRC people started doing it out the top and down because the pin-covers lay flatter and the flaps 'supposedly' opened cleaner.

Loops were a longer on a lotta rigs, some people though the bag was rotating down & out instead of straight back. By running the bridle out the top and down it was thought all the flaps would open fast and at the same time.

Somebody at Elsinore showed me the 'new' way and I did it for a month or two, then ran into Ted Strong at a meet.

Packing next to him, he asked me why I was running the bridle that way, told him and he just laughed.

Ted then he pointed out the possible pin/bridle interference and said to keep everything away from the pin, "it can get 'busy' back there at times".

That was 25+ years ago, I've run the bridle both ends out the bottom since.

It's one reason I prefer no one pin-check me, I've had D license holders tell me I had packed a PCIT. (it's not)

I've seen people freak out because the PC 'cocked' window isn't visible...so 'surely' I did something wrong. ( I never do! Sly)

If it ain't broke, don't FIX it is right. Cool


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 6, 2012, 9:52 PM
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I left a comment on your FB post...I find it funny that the 'new' was is actually the OLD way we did 25+ years ago! CoolWink

+1 Wink

Sparky


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 6, 2012, 9:53 PM
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I left a comment on your FB post...I find it funny that the 'new' was is actually the OLD way we did 25+ years ago! CoolWink

So why did you stop?

Some of didn't.

Sparky

Jim beat me to it.

Sparky


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FlyingRhenquest  (B 37920)

Oct 7, 2012, 6:34 AM
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So why did you stop?

Some of didn't.

Sparky

Jim beat me to it.

Sparky

Oooh OK. Usually if you did something like that and stopped, there was usually a good reason for it. Kind of like how he's suggesting we change the bridle routing now for a good reason.

Looking at the technique, it DOES seem sensible, and it doesn't look like it'll change the opening. I'll talk to the riggers at my dropzone and see if there's any reason I shouldn't be doing that. If not, once I have my own gear, I think I'll probably pack it like that.


eetula  (C License)

Oct 7, 2012, 4:09 PM
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Parachutes de france and you Brian aren't the only ones with this thought:
http://unitedparachutetechnologies.com/...STRUCT-027_Rev-0.pdf


Shredex

Oct 7, 2012, 4:23 PM
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So why isn't this the standard way of doing it?


nigel99  (D 1)

Oct 7, 2012, 5:16 PM
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I invite you all to watch this new video regarding bridle routing that may change the way you pack.

Enjoy!
BG
http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be

Can you still check the kill line window? I don't currently have the window, but next week a rigger is putting one in for me.
If you can't check the window, then wouldn't Kevlar reinforcement be a 'safer' way to go? I know we are all supposed to cock our pilot chutes, but losing the ability to double check would bother me.


BrianSGermain  (D 11154)

Oct 7, 2012, 5:30 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
I invite you all to watch this new video regarding bridle routing that may change the way you pack.

Enjoy!
BG
http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be

Can you still check the kill line window? I don't currently have the window, but next week a rigger is putting one in for me.
If you can't check the window, then wouldn't Kevlar reinforcement be a 'safer' way to go? I know we are all supposed to cock our pilot chutes, but losing the ability to double check would bother me.

The "window" is really not as important as we are led to believe when we are students. If you pack the pilotchute in the manner described in my video "The Secret to Pilotchute Packing", you will always have a cocked pilotchute. It is physically impossible to pack this way if the pilotchute has not been cocked. How cool is that?!

Pilotchute packing video:
http://www.youtube.com/...youtube_gdata_player


(This post was edited by BrianSGermain on Oct 7, 2012, 5:57 PM)


Divalent  (C 40494)

Oct 7, 2012, 8:23 PM
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Can you still check the kill line window? I don't currently have the window, but next week a rigger is putting one in for me. ...

If you don't yet have one, just have him put the window on the opposite side of the bridle. (That is, on the side the pin is attached to, rather the normal position on the side opposite the pin.) And as Brian said, if you use his method of folding the PC, you'll know if you are about to pack a collapsed PC.


nigel99  (D 1)

Oct 7, 2012, 10:25 PM
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I invite you all to watch this new video regarding bridle routing that may change the way you pack.

Enjoy!
BG
http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be

Can you still check the kill line window? I don't currently have the window, but next week a rigger is putting one in for me.
If you can't check the window, then wouldn't Kevlar reinforcement be a 'safer' way to go? I know we are all supposed to cock our pilot chutes, but losing the ability to double check would bother me.

The "window" is really not as important as we are led to believe when we are students. If you pack the pilotchute in the manner described in my video "The Secret to Pilotchute Packing", you will always have a cocked pilotchute. It is physically impossible to pack this way if the pilotchute has not been cocked. How cool is that?!

Pilotchute packing video:
http://www.youtube.com/...youtube_gdata_player

Interesting observation. I'm going to have a longer chat with the local rigger. He doesn't like that method of pilot chute packing due to a potential for a hard pull. Until this weekend I used to pack the.way you recommend. I love the discussions when they get to trading off between hard choices - makes you think.Smile


Ronsebag  (C License)

Oct 7, 2012, 10:32 PM
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In reply to:
I invite you all to watch this new video regarding bridle routing that may change the way you pack.

Enjoy!
BG
http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be
Tx Brian


BrianSGermain  (D 11154)

Oct 7, 2012, 11:19 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
In reply to:
I invite you all to watch this new video regarding bridle routing that may change the way you pack.

Enjoy!
BG
http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be

Can you still check the kill line window? I don't currently have the window, but next week a rigger is putting one in for me.
If you can't check the window, then wouldn't Kevlar reinforcement be a 'safer' way to go? I know we are all supposed to cock our pilot chutes, but losing the ability to double check would bother me.

The "window" is really not as important as we are led to believe when we are students. If you pack the pilotchute in the manner described in my video "The Secret to Pilotchute Packing", you will always have a cocked pilotchute. It is physically impossible to pack this way if the pilotchute has not been cocked. How cool is that?!

Pilotchute packing video:
http://www.youtube.com/...youtube_gdata_player

Interesting observation. I'm going to have a longer chat with the local rigger. He doesn't like that method of pilot chute packing due to a potential for a hard pull. Until this weekend I used to pack the.way you recommend. I love the discussions when they get to trading off between hard choices - makes you think.Smile


Brian's Response:

Hard pull? I have been packing my pilotchutes this way for more than twenty five years, and I have never had a hard pull. I even use oversized F-111 pilotchutes due to a high frequency of hop-n-pops. Further, I have never heard of anyone having a hard a hard pull from this packing method. You mentioned that you have been packing this way. Have you ever experienced a hard pull from this method? Anyone?

I say, always go with your gut. If your instincts have been telling you to pack this way, keep doing it. If you have a hard pull, let me know. Unless you have a cordura pouch, your risks of a hard pull are very low regardless of how you pack, due to the elasticity of the spandex. Don't let others dissuade you from what your gut is telling you, ever. Even if you are wrong, at least you are honoring your instincts.

My 2 cents...


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Oct 7, 2012, 11:29 PM
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After selling my wonderhog with the elastic closing loop and belly band (remember those?Smile) I was jumping pull outs for years. I just recently switched back to throw outs and have been bringing the bridle down from the top. This summer I switched to bringing it out the bottom again. It works either way but you sure as hell won't have the pin piercing your bridle. Wink

My son was giving me a pin check and wondered what was up with that. Laugh


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Oct 8, 2012, 2:27 AM
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I even use oversized F-111 pilotchutes due to a high frequency of hop-n-pops.

What canopy size and PC size do you use?


nigel99  (D 1)

Oct 8, 2012, 2:49 AM
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Brian,

I've never had a hard pull either, but this person and yourself probably do as many jumps in a month as I have in total .

I'll do a short video and upload a demonstration of what he showed me, and get it across to you.

Nigel


RMURRAY

Oct 8, 2012, 3:09 AM
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Standard racer closing method for twenty plus years :)

exactly so don't need to change the way I close mine...but I pack for others so will look to close this way if they are OK with it. thanks Brian excellent post as usual.


BrianSGermain  (D 11154)

Oct 8, 2012, 7:34 AM
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I fly lots of different canopies, but my primary parachutes are Sensei 91 and 101 prototypes. I use an F-111 30 or 32 inch pilotchute with the "Semi-Stowless" bag. I have had one linetwist (from a packer) in the past 3 years. One cutaway in the past 15 years.


scottd818  (C 41314)

Oct 8, 2012, 1:43 PM
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has anyone tried this method with a Infinity rig. I called them but they didnt know about it and said i was welcome to try it at my own risk.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 8, 2012, 1:47 PM
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I fly lots of different canopies, but my primary parachutes are Sensei 91 and 101 prototypes. I use an F-111 30 or 32 inch pilotchute with the "Semi-Stowless" bag. I have had one linetwist (from a packer) in the past 3 years. One cutaway in the past 15 years.

Brian that seems a little big for such small canopies. I was using a 24" ZP on a 245 Sharpchuter and having great openings.

Sparky


DocPop  (C License)

Oct 8, 2012, 2:54 PM
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Brian that seems a little big for such small canopies. I was using a 24" ZP on a 245 Sharpchuter and having great openings.

Sparky



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I even use oversized F-111 pilotchutes due to a high frequency of hop-n-pops.


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