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mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 12:34 PM
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the guy on the left does not look like kenny IMO
the guy in the center is JFK Cool


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Farflung

Sep 30, 2012, 1:15 PM
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Proof Kenny Is NOT DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

Good eye Mrshutter45, I believe that those are some smokes in that pocket too. But IF (if here) that picture is of Kenny, then there is final proof positive, that he is NOT DB Cooper.

This has been brought up at least eight (8) times as a reason that Gossett could not be Cooper, so it is certified, verified and validated as iron clad and no excuses or crybabies.

Set your faces to stunned when you see this astonishing development! You have been warned, but at least this long, tragic nightmare is finally over.
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mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 1:45 PM
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Hmmmmmm
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Farflung

Sep 30, 2012, 2:18 PM
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Good attention to detail Mrshutter45. The nom-de-jour of Geestman a couple years ago was ‘Watson’. What adds to the confusion is the fact that RobertMBlevins states that he never uses aliases even though you will see them constantly used. Why he feels the need to make these absurd statements are beyond me.

This confusion is multiplied by his ‘revisions’ which make no reference to the changes nor their cause. Like a paragraph about Captain Scott being deleted from the original version because it was fabricated out of whole cloth by the author. Nope, just a deletion. Same with the names so it can be confusing except that he repeats everything so often that you are going to pick his phantom edits up by osmosis.

So you have Kenny at ‘Watson’s’ (not their real name) and Geestman’s (their real name, maybe) wedding on the same day. But the hairy arms certainly eliminate Kenny from the suspect pool now so it is all moot and no longer matters.

Clearly all the ‘testimony’ is coincidence or pure BS since Kenny is NOT Cooper as ironically established by RobertMBlevins. Strange world.


mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 2:29 PM
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Hmmmmmm (referring to picture of wedding with name 'Watson' on the photo)

Same wedding, Shutter. Geestman is referred to as 'Mike Watson' in Blast. Margie was called 'Katy Watson'. This was for legal reasons. Later, when Bernie came on Decoded, we started referring to him by his real name. We revealed the true identities of the principles after the show aired, with the exception of Bernie's sister, Dawn.

The reason for not revealing Dawn's true name is for her own safety. She mostly lives alone, although her three grandsons and her daughter take turns spending time with her.

I still like Dawn a lot. She's direct, pragmatic, and wasn't afraid to 'tell it like it is'. The only place she drew the line was to refuse to testify against her brother on television. She wouldn't do that, although she stuck to her testimony even after he tried to get her to take everything back.

She remains the ONLY person to positively associate the tie-tac from the FBI picture with a person: Kenny Christiansen. And she did this BEFORE she was told Kenny was being investigated in the Cooper case.

ok, but we still have problems!

no green on the fairway a top of his head Cool
all of the hair went to his arms Cool
creampuff issues
possible Powderpuff issues Cool
zero pics of rug on the fairway Mad
zero proof money was found on property (hearsay)
the "hiding spot in the attic is questionable because the piece could have been put there for matching the counter top later on, piece was jagged as in left over from a project and thrown in the attic then the new insulation came in and covered it!....possible Cool

also appears he has a "under bite" looking at the "Geestman wedding


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skyjack71

Sep 30, 2012, 4:19 PM
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Kenny's photo was probably f/8 being an old Brownie
620 fixed lens f/5.6-f/8 or Kodak 35mm shot at f/8.

That would explain why the scales in these photos is
roughly the same, except for the differences
Farflung noted.

Comments?

SmileGeorger,

It could have been a polaroid. Some of the photos I have of Duane from that time period were taken with a polaroid - and why the detail is NOT too great on certain photos. The 1970 or 1971 photo I used where I cut the wife out of the photo - was a polaroid shot.

If someone was going to do a picture that would show the subject presenting themselves as a suspect in a major crime, I seriously do NOT think they would have taken it into a local Drug Store to be developed.


skyjack71

Sep 30, 2012, 4:30 PM
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Jo, I do not "poke" at you, you just take every question personally.

There are many "Wavy Greenes", but it is not my job to prove Weber is Cooper, it is my job to call into question things I see or think are wrong.

I also see no "revelation" in Duane's fraudulent enlistment to the Army. He got caught before he could do much, so if there is a record, and it survived the fires in the warehouse, it would be pretty thin. But I also think the Navy record, IMO, would be thin, but to you it may be in "great detail".

I hope last night you found the evidence that proves us all wrong, and is the true story.

I never said he couldn't be Cooper, just doubt he was, as I have not seen any direct evidence that makes the logical leap.

Matt

You avoid my question.
Was there a Wavy Greene with any spelling in the ARMY (1941 to 1945) that was only one digit off from Duane's Army serial number? I want to know WHY the FBI lied to me or if they actually made that kind of mistake.

The FBI KNEW the letter gave a month and day in 1943 and was addressed from Camp Siebert, Alabama. I provided the FBI the envelope this letter was mailed in around 2003 or 2004 (I am not certain of the date and I am not going to pull the old FBI receipt for the DNA I provided).

Attention Georger:
This was when the FBI was checking DNA. Wonder if the DNA that was pulled from that envelope had the KPD signals in the DNA. Something interesting to consider - you think?




skyjack71

Sep 30, 2012, 4:51 PM
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the guy on the left does not look like kenny IMO
the guy in the center is JFK Cool

Yea, that is Kenny and he not only has a receding hair line - he is bald on top and into the back.

Note his lower lip - when he smiles or even if he frowned that lower lip and chin goes forward. To much so to be Cooper. Since I happen to know about an expression Cooper made during the skyjacking (told to the composite artist) and might not be in the official records. This artist talked to the witness and tried to make them comfortable and engaged them in conversation. One of the witnesses was very adamant about an expression Cooper made. Before Doug Pasternack could tell me what it was -I STOPPED him and told him what the expression or motion was.

This was ONE of those moments when I knew something about Cooper that had NOT been MADE public. Doug NOR I will EVER forget that phone call. This action was one Duane used when ever he wanted to drive his point home. The expression is NOT one commonly used in the same manner as Cooper used it...Weber had a little quirk about this expression which made it a little different than someone else making the same jester or expression of displeasure or irritation.

NOW WATCH Blevins and others USE this regarding their subjects..

P.S. I compose my posts on line and do not read below the post I am addressing. When I posted the above statements I then read the post Mrsshutter had written. I will assure all of you from what the artist stated there was no bite problem with Cooper, but he was expressive with a part of his anatomy.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Sep 30, 2012, 5:12 PM)


skyjack71

Sep 30, 2012, 4:56 PM
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She remains the ONLY person to positively associate the tie-tac from the FBI picture with a person: Kenny Christiansen. And she did this BEFORE she was told Kenny was being investigated in the Cooper case.

Excuse me - your own post prove that is an incorrect statement. If she didn't know why you were there and you left the pictures with her so she could make up her mind. THEN when you get back she is talking and then the next day....gimme a break! This is from what you have posted on this thread - I have NOT read your book.


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Robert99

Sep 30, 2012, 5:46 PM
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Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...

Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it?

Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment.

Robert99


mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 5:51 PM
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Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...

Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it?

Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment.

Robert99

I have always thought it was a pilots briefcase!!


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Robert99

Sep 30, 2012, 5:56 PM
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Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...

Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it?

Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment.

Robert99

I have always thought it was a pilots briefcase!!

I think it's too big to be a pilot's case.

Robert99


mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 5:59 PM
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Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...

Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it?

Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment.

Robert99

I have always thought it was a pilots briefcase!!

I think it's too big to be a pilot's case.

Robert99

keep in mind that it is old school, I posted a pic


mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 6:06 PM
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same type case..just a different color

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgaahBvqj-8




Farflung

Sep 30, 2012, 8:06 PM
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I think Mrshutte45 is correct about the ‘Flight Bag’. It has been identified in the past on this quality thread, as a standard cosmetics sample bag (as if) to an ordinary brief case. You can always count on the DBC thread to supply accuracy and sane input. Then silence on the subject.

We always carried at least one or two of such ‘bags’ (each) on every flight. Think about all the SIDs and approach plates for the US along with the low and high instrument charts. Yep, they were packed in their like sardines too. Not like the virtually empty example with Clint.

Those bags also contained the operating manuals for the aircraft which were in volumes in those funky binders that had a pull pin that kept them bound. When we would be waiting on the ramp for transportation, they would become seats also.

The briefcase used by DB Cooper was described as nothing like this type of case. But you must remember that identifying briefcases are more difficult in an aircraft then they are out in the open. Unless the person has hairy arms, then he isn’t DB Cooper. Ever.


georger

Sep 30, 2012, 8:24 PM
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Wasn't a Polaroid. I have the original. Just a standard print with the date printed on the front by the developer. Says 'Feb 72'. Christmas wreath says it was probably taken the previous December. And why would the picture be so damning? Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...
Just curious - any markings on the paper back -
Kodak?


mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 8:40 PM
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I think the picture was some sort of gag between him and some guys, it's possible he used this case while walking through the airport so he could be taken as a pilot? who knows.

if you watched the Clint Eastwood pilot clip it appears to be about the same case, when asked what was in it, he replied charts and flight plans Cool


georger

Sep 30, 2012, 8:51 PM
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I think the picture was some sort of gag between him and some guys, it's possible he used this case while walking through the airport so he could be taken as a pilot? who knows.

if you watched the Clint Eastwood pilot clip it appears to be about the same case, when asked what was in it, he replied charts and flight plans Cool

Its never hit me as a gag as much as an ordinary
photo of the guy walking through a door arriving
home, maybe homecoming? Birthday party arrival?
Looks a little surprised - likehe's saying something
or about to ?


mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 8:58 PM
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I think the picture was some sort of gag between him and some guys, it's possible he used this case while walking through the airport so he could be taken as a pilot? who knows.

if you watched the Clint Eastwood pilot clip it appears to be about the same case, when asked what was in it, he replied charts and flight plans Cool

Its never hit me as a gag as much as an ordinary
photo of the guy walking through a door arriving
home, maybe homecoming? Birthday party arrival?
Looks a little surprised - likehe's saying something
or about to ?

hard to say, the door seems to have aready been open, he would have had to put something down or juggle things and this would have been caught as he came thru the door if it was closed and as Robert said he has no keys? he is just crossing the threshold when the pic was snapped Cool

remember this just happened if the date is correct so I'm sure this was the subject of discussion for some time, room for a joke or two.....


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mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 9:22 PM
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did he play the accordion??????????
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