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skyjack71

Sep 29, 2012, 9:42 PM
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For the record, I don't believe either one of your claims, i.e. your Gray quote on my honesty, and your statement on what Lyle may or may not have said in an old radio interview. It is not my job to check your empty allegations, but YOUR job to prove such allegations, since YOU were the one who said them.

PICK-UP the DAMN phone and Call LYLE. He goes to surgery in a week or so - you have a small window to verify YOUR source.

There are NO allegation by anyone - just pure truths from MORE than ONE source. Your 1st and only real source is Lyle and yet U have not even spoke to him in quiet some time. Well, have you?

Sorry Blevins I like you because you have always been respectful of me, but you have used some of your "key witnesses" in a way I do NOT respect. You have led them even if you think you did not do so. It is easy to "plant" knowingly or unknowingly false memories into the mind of some seniors when questioned about events and memories of long ago. I venture to say if you released the recording you claim to have of all of your interviews or even if you replayed them - you will hear yourself LEADING them by asking leading questions.

Sorry, this is just something that had to be said, because I do NOT
like countering someone who has been nice and very polite to me. This is one of the hardest post I have had to make.

You need to back off a little.


(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Sep 29, 2012, 9:43 PM)


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 10:03 PM
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Lyle isn't 'a source' to me. He's barely mentioned in the book, I didn't interview him, and he is merely a family member who pointed to his brother as possibly being the hijacker. But he had no evidence.

You will have to tell me exactly how I 'led' witnesses. Most of them answered key questions BEFORE they knew I was investigating KC for the Cooper case. In fact, I often went out of my way to avoid (when I would first meet them) telling them anything except I was doing a general bio on KC's life. Bernie Geestman and his sister are good examples. I did this because I didn't want them to go on the defensive, or taint their answers.

It's not my fault that Bernie Geestman chose to lie to me, and to History Channel. Funny thing for an 'innocent' guy to do.

I'm sorry that Lyle has to go in for surgery, though. I will contact him and offer my best wishes. He never was part of the case against Christiansen, though. I take the word of family members with a jaundiced eye. The only exception is maybe Kenny's nephew, Bruce Christiansen. He seemed embarassed about the whole thing when I talked to him at Ariel last year, and had no ax to grind.


skyjack71

Sep 29, 2012, 10:09 PM
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Blevins you stated;

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If you're going to quote me, get it right. I said it 'might be difficult to judge someone's true height within the confines of an airliner cabin, rather than out in the open...' Besides, unless you are ready to call Geoff Gray a liar, he says that according to the FBI witness reports he was allowed to view, the height of the hijacker ranged from maybe five-nine to over six feet, depending on who was being interviewed. So what's the truth?


With this one statement alone let me explain something to you.
Gray like yourself is a writer and he took liberties. I know this for a FACT because things he stated me I have scolded and ranted about to Gray himself.

He made me sound like a bar pick-up wearing a kerchief. Never wore a kerchief in my life and I was NOT in a pick-up bar, but a bar attached to the restuarant. I went there because I had been used to nice places and at that time could barely support myself and my daughter. I wanted to feel good about myself and remember how things used to be in my life. I was dressed very classy as the management job I had left required I wear the high end clothing we sold - and I loved that outfit.

Gray made it sound like I lived in the STICKS. Although I do live in a little known coastal treasure and a little laid back - it is not in the STICKS.

Gray engarnished many things in his book - just like you did, therefore do NOT take his book as GOSPEL.

Note that Cook was in the studio and Lyle was on the phone for that interview. Cook is an attorney and although he also takes liberties and uses other information - he has NOT written his book. What would you put on the table if Cook produced a recording of that program?

NOT one of us needs to call anyone to verify that radio program - YOU do! You have spent a lot of time arguing your point when ALL you need to do is pick up the DAMN phone! Talk to the commentator, talk to your subject, talk to Cook! Maybe Cook recorded it - he likes TV and radio talk programs.


Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 10:22 PM
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OK, so this is kinda goof-ball, but it- just- might- work!

Were the light switches measured in J3 and the “Stunt Apartment” as has been claimed? The world may never know, but I do know this. The standardized measurements between the two apartments would be the light switch cover and the strike plate center on the door. I know, it’s so exciting and boner-y.

So I blew up the images of the strike plate in the jamb and the switch plates to epic proportions so they could be compared. Then I crafted a measuring tool for each image based upon the height of the switch plate which was halved from units I humbly named Farfs. No different than Fahrenheit getting degrees or a couple Roman dictators getting months named after them. So each cover plate represents a ‘Farf’ and the distance from the bottom of the switch plate to the center of the door strike plate was measured. Each image used their respective cover plates to offset any distortions.

As you can see, J3 has a total distance of 1.5 Farfs with the ‘composite’ unidentified apartment, having a full two Farfs of distance from the switch plate to the strike plate. The implications are staggering for this fledgling measurement system which men fear, and women desire.

Since the distance in the RobertMBlevins image is half a Farf, higher than in J3, that would induce a delta of 2.25 of your inches in the favor of Kenny. Oh my gawd! That means that using the light switch and the door striker as references that Kenny is half a Farf (2.25 inches) shorter than RobertMBlevins for an aggregate answer of 5’ 8 ¼ “.

There you have it, yet another dynamic bit of validation using open source techniques and processes. I’ll give everyone some time to rub down their goose bumps after viewing this treasure trove of photo measurement. You’re welcome.
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georger

Sep 29, 2012, 10:27 PM
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Gee then I guess you missed the part in the building code about the height requirements for light switches? Bzzzzt. Yes.

How about something like 43 to 48 inches? I’m sure you know the NEC and measured the switch elevation in J-3, since you’re all about quality and accuracy. Like estimating height in a fuselage being so friggin hard because you say so. I know I can’t do it.

You’re very open to external verification of your data and theories, no matter what dark recess they may originate.

It was a casual, non-scientific effort, mostly done because we were curious, and had limited access to KC's old apartment. Yes...we measured the distances between the light switch and the floor, and between the center of the switch and the top of the jamb on both units. Big deal. It was easy to see Kenny was probably shorter than I am. Already said that...

Blevins I dont fault your effort at matching in fact
what you did is better than the average person
might do - that aside .... what type of camera was
Your photo of you taken with? Do you happen to
know what the lens was and its focal length? Was
it a digital camera (cmos or ccd) or film camera
(35mm) or quick shot like one buys at a drug store?

I just need the camera info if you know it - of your
photo of you.

Im assuming Kenny's photo was taken with a 620
Brownie or something at f/8-f/12 fixed lens, if you
know that?


(This post was edited by georger on Sep 29, 2012, 10:31 PM)


georger

Sep 29, 2012, 10:42 PM
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Let’s try something totally scientific. Like the elevation of a roof line.

As anyone can see, by comparing these bald heads, against the roof line in the background. Kenny is at least two inches shorter than RobertMBlevins. There is simply no argument as this is science. Kenny was a little wimpy creampuff. This is confirmed and verified by living witnesses.

I think the scales are different - two different
cameras with different focal ratios (f# lenses).
That changes the magification, apparent size, and
depth of fields in the two photos, so they arent
strictly comparable. The switch plate in the Blevins
photo is 28pixel high ... and 23pixels high in the
Kenny photo, reflecting a difference in cameras, ie
lenses.

Within each photo however where dimensions are
comparable, isnt the standard switch plate 4.5" H
x 2.75" W. You can estimate Kenny's height in
each photo using the switch plate height as a ruler.

I tried this and Kenny comes out about 5'6-7".

I also tried a rectified photo attached and Kenny
comes out a little over 5'6" vs the first estimate
of 5' 10", using 36" as the standard door frame
width ...


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skyjack71

Sep 29, 2012, 10:43 PM
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Was unable to make out who was claiming what so just using the reply and them MY opinion.

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And what about the other witnesses? Not exactly on the same page, either:

George Labissioniere, a lawyer, got a good look at Cooper because of Cooper's trips to the bathroom. No older than 35, he said.

Exactly where did YOU get that info. Definitely NOT from Labissioniere himself! IF that is what he told the FBI at the time of the initial interviews after the crime - he CHANGED it.

You do know I exchanged communications with this attorney by phone and letter?

Maybe you need to take a vacation to FLorida.
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Bill Mitchell, the college guy, said the chin sagged.


Mitchell was the closest to Cooper and across from him. He said nothing about a sagging chin to me. He saw mostly a profile and noted what he thought was socks or long johns sticking out from under his pants. PROOF Cooper WAS not wearing BOOTS.

I also spoke with Mitchell and found him thru his daughter who was at a university. He viewed the few pictures I had at that time, but I didn't realize the witnesses mostly saw side views and not Cooper's face dead on.
My mistake 12 yrs ago not sending out profile photos.
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Robert Gregory thought perhaps Cooper's hair was 'marcelled,' created by hot irons. Gregory, who owned a paint company and prided himself on an attention to detail, says the suit was not brown or black, but a russet color. He thought the hair may have been dyed. How tall? Gregory pegged the hijacker at no more than five foot nine.

This is information provided to Gray and not to the FBI. YOU do know that Duane's hair was very wavy - and just as this man described. As Duane aged and grayed - the waves relaxed. SmileSo did mine along with everything else on my body.

I believe Gray may have taken some LIBERTIES in his interpretation of Gregory's description. Writers do those kind of things.


RobertMBlevins

Sep 29, 2012, 10:58 PM
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Sony digital. DSC- V-1. 5.1 megapixel. An oldie but a goodie. Look...there isn't any real mystery here. Kenny's license and Army records say the same thing. He was five eight. I am five ten and a half. I only did the comparison for something to do while I was at the apartments waiting for the manager to get Kenny's original rental app from the main office. I appreciate your effort, though.


(This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Sep 29, 2012, 11:07 PM)


Farflung

Sep 29, 2012, 11:03 PM
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Georger,

I believe the “Ivory” plastic switch plate is 4 ½ inches give or take 1/8th. That’s one good thing about Kenny’s apartment being shabby, you won’t have to worry about decorator plates or odd dimensions.

My “Roof Line” attempt was done with the finest of Kentucky Windage and nothing more. I’m sure your measurements will be more refined since my software won’t even let me normalize pixels. At least the pump is running and this mystery of Kenny’s height can probably be narrowed to something resembling reason. Using the plate as a measure is a good technique since there are so many other unknowns, variables and road apples tossed into the mix.


georger

Sep 29, 2012, 11:10 PM
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Georger,

I believe the “Ivory” plastic switch plate is 4 ½ inches give or take 1/8th. That’s one good thing about Kenny’s apartment being shabby, you won’t have to worry about decorator plates or odd dimensions.

My “Roof Line” attempt was done with the finest of Kentucky Windage and nothing more. I’m sure your measurements will be more refined since my software won’t even let me normalize pixels. At least the pump is running and this mystery of Kenny’s height can probably be narrowed to something resembling reason. Using the plate as a measure is a good technique since there are so many other unknowns, variables and road apples tossed into the mix.

Pass the Kentucky Windage over!

I think 5'6" to 5'8" and no more is a good estimate
and if Blevins is happy with that ... Im happy!Laugh


georger

Sep 29, 2012, 11:15 PM
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Sony digital. DSC- V-1. 5.1 megapixel. An oldie but a goodie. Look...there isn't any real mystery here. Kenny's license and Army records say the same thing. He was five eight. I am five ten and a half. I only did the comparison for something to do while I was at the apartments waiting for the manager to get Kenny's original rental app from the main office. I appreciate your effort, though.

I may even have one of those in my closet crap!

Im just assuming Kenny's photo was pre-digital,
620 or 35mm ??? Im goign to look up the specs
on the Sony digital. DSC- V-1. 5.1 for the hell of it -

I CAN accept 5'8" and not a centimeter more.
You said in his stocking feet as I recall...

PS: You need to call Lyle after his surgery or
Fitzsimmons and get the staight dope.


(This post was edited by georger on Sep 29, 2012, 11:17 PM)


georger

Sep 29, 2012, 11:56 PM
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Sony digital. DSC- V-1. 5.1 megapixel. An oldie but a goodie. Look...there isn't any real mystery here. Kenny's license and Army records say the same thing. He was five eight. I am five ten and a half. I only did the comparison for something to do while I was at the apartments waiting for the manager to get Kenny's original rental app from the main office. I appreciate your effort, though.

Well that is a nice lens as are all of these Carl Zeiss
branded designs. Your lens is f2.8-4/7-28 (4x
zoom). Olympus etc followed the same lens design
paying nice royalties to Zeiss. So your camera is
f2.8 focused at infinity, with zoom clicks (3) to bring
it to f/4, f/7, and f/28. Each successive zoom click
crops the image accordingly, to a smaller frame with
the smallest frame at maximum magnification at
f/28.

Now, looking at Far's double photo the scale of the
two photos begins to make sense in terms of the
different cameras used. Im betting whoever took
your photo zommed in to frame you in the door
something like what Kenny's photo portrays, ie
same relative scale. And in order to do that with your
camera the operator hit the second zoom click and
thought 'that looks right, same scale", and took
your photo. So your photo is at around f/7.

Kenny's photo was probably f/8 being an old Brownie
620 fixed lens f/5.6-f/8 or Kodak 35mm shot at f/8.

That would explain why the scales in these photos is
roughly the same, except for the differences
Farflung noted.

Comments?


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RobertMBlevins

Sep 30, 2012, 12:08 AM
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Comments: Kenny's Army record says he was five eight. Same with the Washington State Drivers License. What I know about photography you can put into your hat.


georger

Sep 30, 2012, 12:16 AM
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Comments: Kenny's Army record says he was five eight. Same with the Washington State Drivers License. What I know about photography you can put into your hat.

ok


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Sep 30, 2012, 7:54 AM
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Jo, I do not "poke" at you, you just take every question personally.

There are many "Wavy Greenes", but it is not my job to prove Weber is Cooper, it is my job to call into question things I see or think are wrong.

I also see no "revelation" in Duane's fraudulent enlistment to the Army. He got caught before he could do much, so if there is a record, and it survived the fires in the warehouse, it would be pretty thin. But I also think the Navy record, IMO, would be thin, but to you it may be in "great detail".

I hope last night you found the evidence that proves us all wrong, and is the true story.

I never said he couldn't be Cooper, just doubt he was, as I have not seen any direct evidence that makes the logical leap.

Matt


Farflung

Sep 30, 2012, 10:20 AM
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RobertMBlevins offers yet another example of Cooper research logic with:

On the matter of Helen Jones saying that Kenny smoked Raleigh cigarettes, she was sure on this point. In her original interview, she named Camels as Kenny's brand (she is a former smoker) but later realized she had named her own brand. She then drove up to find me in Bonney Lake to correct her mistake.”

They were absolutely, positively, assuredly and without douchebaggery aforethought; Camel cigarettes. And that’s my final answer!

So Helen Jones (her real name) is an awesome source because she said that Kenny smoked Camels in her ‘original interview’, which was a general bio on some Northwest purser with an unknown author. Weird, but my suspension of disbelief hasn’t been pressed into an Atomic Wedgie yet.

Since Helen Jones is not a three alarm wacko, she goes home and thinks about this interview which she was “sure on this point” until she wasn’t sure on the point. Then she….. picked up the phone…. No, no… she hacked out a brief email that said ‘It was Raleighs NOT Camels, sincerely Helen”; nope not that either. This banal piece of information about some obscure person and the brand of cigarettes he smoked somehow grew to epic levels, while she was fermenting at home. It’s off to the Bat-shit-crazy-mobile and a drive to Bonney Lake where there is video being shot, this must be fixed! But she didn’t know this was about DB Cooper? Ummmm….. now my suspension of disbelief isn’t so happy anymore.

Does every Cooper story have to be packed with drama and behaviors which only exist on TV or in the movies? I mean really, who drives to Bonney Lake to change the brand of smokes? It is pure BS.
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RobertMBlevins

Sep 30, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Does every Cooper story have to be packed with drama and behaviors which only exist on TV or in the movies? I mean really, who drives to Bonney Lake to change the brand of smokes? It is pure BS.

Excuse me for living...but it is NOT 'pure BS'.

This is what happened over the week that Decoded was filming in Bonney Lake, and how Helen Jones came to be a witness:

1) We shot a segment at the former Borders' books in Southcenter that was never aired. After that, I was off for a few days. The Decoded guys wanted me to drive up to Twisp one last time and see if I could get a sixth interview with Margie Geestman. They loaned me a hi-def video camera suitable for TV use and off I went.

2) I met with Margie at her ranch in Twisp. During my previous visit, I had left her a copy of Blast and she had read it. This time, I pressed her a bit harder and pointed to the evidence against her ex-husband and Kenny Christiansen. Unlike the other interviews, she finally admitted that Kenny 'could' have been involved along with her ex in the hijacking. I recorded her statements on video, and also with a digital voice recorder. (Decoded kept the video, I kept the voice recording. It was not used in the final version of the program, although I think they should have used it. They told me they just couldn't fit it in the 44 minutes of actual programming.)

3) One of the things that Margie told me was that a lady named Helen Jones had also known Christiansen for many years. I called Porteous and he verified that Jones was a known associate of Christiansen, but he didn't know how close they were, or how long they had known each other. He considered her a minor witness at best.

4) After I returned to Auburn, I located Jones. She lived in Sumner, and said she had known Christiansen from about 1967 until his death. She claimed to have pictures from the Geestmans' wedding in '68 showing the Geestmans and Christiansen together. She also mentioned that Geestman had been Best Man at the wedding of her friends Joe and Ann Grimes at near the same time. I didn't think much about this comment. I told her I was doing a bio on Christiansen's life and could she meet me at her house. She said yes, and we set a time for the next day. (A Saturday)

5) The next morning, she called me. "Why exactly do you want to talk to me about Kenny?" she asked. So I had to tell her. He was being investigated for the Cooper case. She 'went off' on me on the phone, telling me I had a lot of nerve insinuating that her friend Kenny could be a criminal. ('It's not nice to speak ill of the dead, you know'.) She was REALLY pissed off at me and I figured it was going to be a zero on the interview. However, she agreed to meet me anyway.

6) Nice ranch home near the White River: I pull up in the driveway and see a yellow Cadillac and a big Chevy pickup. Jones comes to the door and doesn't look happy, but lets me in. I had brought the photo displays mounted on white foam that I used at the Auburn Avenue Theatre. I gave her a copy of Blast. We sat down and talked about Kenny for a while. She finally stops me. "Can you leave me those displays for a while?" she says. "I want to read them." I tell her I can go into town for lunch while she examines them. She's very upset. So I leave for the hamburger joint downtown.

7) After I return, it's a completely different atmosphere. She will answer questions. "No pictures and no recordings," Jones says. I asked why. She was afraid of Bernie Geestman, she replies. "He's a crook, and that's why Margie divorced him." Okay, fine. No recordings. We speak for hours. She doesn't know if Kenny and Bernie were the hijackers. She shows me pictures of the Geestmans' wedding and I ask if I can take them and scan them at my office. She says yes...as long as I leave the photo displays as a sort of collateral. She hadn't read them all yet. I take the pictures and leave. We set another interview for the next morning.

8) Second Day: Jones and I sit at her dining room table all day. This time her daughter is there, who was about 13 or 14 in 1971 and also knew Christiansen. Between the two of them, they fill in what details they can about events over the week of the hijacking. Thanksgiving dinner, etc. and Kenny later admitting he was with Geestman over the time of the hijacking. This is the second witness who has said this about these men, and I already have Mrs Geestman admitting that Kenny and Bernie could have been the hijackers, after months of denials on Kenny. Interesting, since Mrs Geestman and Mrs Jones have not spoken for decades, yet both now give the same story on when the men went missing. But Mrs Jones adds something extra: She says she ran into Kenny six weeks after the hijacking down at the old Sumner Laundromat, and asked him why he missed Thanksgiving dinner at her house. Kenny says he was with Geestman. (Later, on Decoded, Geestman says he thinks Kenny could be the hijacker, which is a very strange thing to say when he was WITH Kenny over the hijacking.)

9) Jones says that some things she wondered about a long time ago are beginning to make sense. Like Kenny going from dirt-poor to 'doing quite well' by the next Thanksgiving. He did attend Thanksgiving the following year in '72 and said the airline was paying him very well. I asked her if she knew anything on how Kenny got his house for cash in Bonney Lake. She doesn't know the exact arrangements, but says he bought it from a couple she knew, Joe and Ann Grimes. She knows this because Bernie Geestman was the Best Man at the Grimes' wedding, she says. (Later, we were able to get a copy of the sale document on the adjoining lot to the house. The names match what Jones has claimed, and Porteous and I already knew that Kenny bought the lot and house from the same people, but until then, not their names) I ask her if she knows the brand of cigarettes Kenny smoked. Camels, she thinks. (I was disappointed in this answer, of course, but I said nothing.) I ask her if she could verify that Geestman owned a station wagon and Airstream trailer in 1971. She says yes. In fact, just after Thanksgiving in 1972, the year everyone actually showed up for dinner at her house, they had a fire. The fire was on Christmas Eve, '72. Geestman lent her family the trailer while the house was being rebuilt. Then, she says he sold it as soon as the house repairs were complete. She says it was sold to an out-of-state buyer who took it back to Arizona. (Geestman had the trailer sold the minute the house was finished, she said.) During the interview, she mentions casually that one of the things Kenny did after he first moved into his house was to change out the countertops in the kitchen. (Big deal, I think) I finally ask if she would be willing to appear on Decoded. No. She's afraid of Geestman. I take everything I have, the notes, etc and leave.

10) I'm due to appear at the Bonney Lake library for the final segment the next day. They've already filmed the segment at Kenny's old house with Rattenbury, but I haven't heard anything about how that went. I show up around 11AM at the library and everyone's having lunch. Pete Berg, the associate producer, comes up to me and says: "A lady named Helen Jones was here earlier this morning. She says she knew Kenny and had talked to you. We asked her to appear on the show, but she said she was afraid of Bernie." Okay, I ask, what did she want? "Just wanted to tell you that Christiansen smoked Raleigh cigarettes, not Camels. Do you know what she means?" Berg wasn't real familiar with the case details, so I told him the significance. "Damn," he said, "too bad we can't get her to go on the show." Then Berg tells me about the hiding spot they found in the attic of Christiansen's old house. Covered with a big piece of old Formica countertop. Holy crap, I think. I tell Berg about Jones saying that Kenny changed out the counters after he moved in. This has to be more than coincidence. I had a little time before filming, so I run over to Rattenbury's place and ask him if I can look up in the attic. I borrow his ladder, go up, take pictures...and put the countertop piece into a plastic bag and take it with me. (With permission) I go back to the library and we film the final segment in which I appear. Geestman is due up next, but the crew is afraid he won't talk if he sees me, although they offer to give me a mobile sound unit and let me listen in. I'm tired, so I pass on that and go home.

11) Later: Marisa Kagan tells me that Bernie wasn't very cooperative, and before he appeared on the show he first denied knowing Christiansen ('I thought he was a dishwasher') and that Geestman had called his sister Dawn and told her she should retract everything she said for the Blast book. Kagan got this from Dawn herself, when she called her to possibly appear on the show. Dawn tells Kagan that she was sticking by everything she said, but refuses to appear and testify against her brother. Kagan responds to all of this by sending Bernie Geestman twenty different photos showing he and Kenny Christiansen together. He agrees to appear.

That's pretty much the whole story. I still have the audio recording where Margie Geestman finally admits Kenny and Bernie could have been the hijackers, after five previous interviews where she pointed to her husband, but kept up a denial on Kenny.

I did not 'lead' people along. I merely asked questions. It is not my fault that Geestman lied, nor my fault that Jones said the things she did, some of which were confirmed by her daughter. Do I know if Kenny and Bernie pulled off the hijacking? Hell, no. Do I think the Seattle FBI should question these people? Hell, yes. Smile

I know this post was sort of difficult to follow, but I tried my best on it. That's all I can say. LOL you think doing this was easy? Cool I've also attached a pic of producer Marisa Kagan, who was pretty good at cutting through BS, especially from a guy like Bernie Geestman. Although I have never met her in person, I'm reasonably sure it's her. You can reach her via Facebook to verify some of the things I posted here.


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mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 12:34 PM
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the guy on the left does not look like kenny IMO
the guy in the center is JFK Cool


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Farflung

Sep 30, 2012, 1:15 PM
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Proof Kenny Is NOT DB Cooper [In reply to] Can't Post

Good eye Mrshutter45, I believe that those are some smokes in that pocket too. But IF (if here) that picture is of Kenny, then there is final proof positive, that he is NOT DB Cooper.

This has been brought up at least eight (8) times as a reason that Gossett could not be Cooper, so it is certified, verified and validated as iron clad and no excuses or crybabies.

Set your faces to stunned when you see this astonishing development! You have been warned, but at least this long, tragic nightmare is finally over.
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mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 1:45 PM
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Hmmmmmm
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RobertMBlevins

Sep 30, 2012, 2:01 PM
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Hmmmmmm (referring to picture of wedding with name 'Watson' on the photo)

Same wedding, Shutter. Geestman is referred to as 'Mike Watson' in Blast. Margie was called 'Katy Watson'. This was for legal reasons. Later, when Bernie came on Decoded, we started referring to him by his real name. We revealed the true identities of the principles after the show aired, with the exception of Bernie's sister, Dawn.

The reason for not revealing Dawn's true name is for her own safety. She mostly lives alone, although her three grandsons and her daughter take turns spending time with her.

I still like Dawn a lot. She's direct, pragmatic, and wasn't afraid to 'tell it like it is'. The only place she drew the line was to refuse to testify against her brother on television. She wouldn't do that, although she stuck to her testimony even after he tried to get her to take everything back.

She remains the ONLY person to positively associate the tie-tac from the FBI picture with a person: Kenny Christiansen. And she did this BEFORE she was told Kenny was being investigated in the Cooper case.


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Farflung

Sep 30, 2012, 2:18 PM
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Good attention to detail Mrshutter45. The nom-de-jour of Geestman a couple years ago was ‘Watson’. What adds to the confusion is the fact that RobertMBlevins states that he never uses aliases even though you will see them constantly used. Why he feels the need to make these absurd statements are beyond me.

This confusion is multiplied by his ‘revisions’ which make no reference to the changes nor their cause. Like a paragraph about Captain Scott being deleted from the original version because it was fabricated out of whole cloth by the author. Nope, just a deletion. Same with the names so it can be confusing except that he repeats everything so often that you are going to pick his phantom edits up by osmosis.

So you have Kenny at ‘Watson’s’ (not their real name) and Geestman’s (their real name, maybe) wedding on the same day. But the hairy arms certainly eliminate Kenny from the suspect pool now so it is all moot and no longer matters.

Clearly all the ‘testimony’ is coincidence or pure BS since Kenny is NOT Cooper as ironically established by RobertMBlevins. Strange world.


mrshutter45

Sep 30, 2012, 2:29 PM
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Hmmmmmm (referring to picture of wedding with name 'Watson' on the photo)

Same wedding, Shutter. Geestman is referred to as 'Mike Watson' in Blast. Margie was called 'Katy Watson'. This was for legal reasons. Later, when Bernie came on Decoded, we started referring to him by his real name. We revealed the true identities of the principles after the show aired, with the exception of Bernie's sister, Dawn.

The reason for not revealing Dawn's true name is for her own safety. She mostly lives alone, although her three grandsons and her daughter take turns spending time with her.

I still like Dawn a lot. She's direct, pragmatic, and wasn't afraid to 'tell it like it is'. The only place she drew the line was to refuse to testify against her brother on television. She wouldn't do that, although she stuck to her testimony even after he tried to get her to take everything back.

She remains the ONLY person to positively associate the tie-tac from the FBI picture with a person: Kenny Christiansen. And she did this BEFORE she was told Kenny was being investigated in the Cooper case.

ok, but we still have problems!

no green on the fairway a top of his head Cool
all of the hair went to his arms Cool
creampuff issues
possible Powderpuff issues Cool
zero pics of rug on the fairway Mad
zero proof money was found on property (hearsay)
the "hiding spot in the attic is questionable because the piece could have been put there for matching the counter top later on, piece was jagged as in left over from a project and thrown in the attic then the new insulation came in and covered it!....possible Cool

also appears he has a "under bite" looking at the "Geestman wedding


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RobertMBlevins

Sep 30, 2012, 3:57 PM
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Good attention to detail Mrshutter45. The nom-de-jour of Geestman a couple years ago was ‘Watson’. What adds to the confusion is the fact that RobertMBlevins states that he never uses aliases even though you will see them constantly used. Why he feels the need to make these absurd statements are beyond me.

This confusion is multiplied by his ‘revisions’ which make no reference to the changes nor their cause. Like a paragraph about Captain Scott being deleted from the original version because it was fabricated out of whole cloth by the author. Nope, just a deletion. Same with the names so it can be confusing except that he repeats everything so often that you are going to pick his phantom edits up by osmosis.

So you have Kenny at ‘Watson’s’ (not their real name) and Geestman’s (their real name, maybe) wedding on the same day. But the hairy arms certainly eliminate Kenny from the suspect pool now so it is all moot and no longer matters.

Clearly all the ‘testimony’ is coincidence or pure BS since Kenny is NOT Cooper as ironically established by RobertMBlevins. Strange world.

You are either 'playing dumb' with some of these statements or...

You are perfectly aware we disguised the names of the Geestmans for the book, and that their true names were revealed in January 2011 after Decoded first aired. You are also aware that prior to the Decoded show, Bruce Smith really got mad when I wouldn't reveal their names.

The idea that we pulled the original version of Blast within a short time (and before 50 copies sold) and revised it shows a bit of responsibility on our part. You think getting all the details right between Porteous and I, working strictly through emails and phone calls was EASY? That was my first collaboration, and doing it that way is tough. There were bound to be glitches, and I warned Porteous the book wasn't ready. The Scott-went-to-the-cabin story was one of those. I saw that reference on a webpage that related the story of the hijacking and I assumed it was real. And it wasn't. Tell you the truth, I'm not even certain that's how it got into the book. Maybe Porteous sent it in one of his emails. It doesn't really matter much, since Scott is dead and can't be a witness anyway, nor does it shed any light on whether KC was the guy or not. In any case, we took it out.

The ONLY alias used in public now is the one for Dawn, Bernie's sister, and that isn't much of an alias since any decent researcher could probably find her anyway, since they would know she has a brother, and that we gave the brother's true name.

ALL true names and addresses of these folks were provided to the Seattle FBI.

And if you REALLY believe all the evidence, all the testimony is simply 'coincidence,' there isn't much I can do about that. My main problem with Gossett as the hijacker isn't the fact he has hairy arms, but that Galen Cook hasn't established an alibi for Gossett, and has used old pictures of Gossett to compare to the sketch.

I notice you dance around a lot with issues that really have nothing to do with whether Christiansen was the hijacker or not. But you're afraid to address the REAL issues, such as the testimony of Jones, or Bernie's sister Dawn, or the lies of Bernie Geestman, which are not only many and legend...but all done to distance himself from any possible involvement.

Never said I could prove Kenny was the guy, but that post back there...the LONG one...I stand by that completely.

And by the way...there weren't 'multiple revisions' of the book. Only ONE. And it's been out for close to two years now. You should try to co-author a book with more than 40 pictures with someone you never get to meet, and only communicate via phone or email. Try that sometime. Then maybe you'll appreciate the difficulty of doing it.


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skyjack71

Sep 30, 2012, 4:19 PM
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Kenny's photo was probably f/8 being an old Brownie
620 fixed lens f/5.6-f/8 or Kodak 35mm shot at f/8.

That would explain why the scales in these photos is
roughly the same, except for the differences
Farflung noted.

Comments?

SmileGeorger,

It could have been a polaroid. Some of the photos I have of Duane from that time period were taken with a polaroid - and why the detail is NOT too great on certain photos. The 1970 or 1971 photo I used where I cut the wife out of the photo - was a polaroid shot.

If someone was going to do a picture that would show the subject presenting themselves as a suspect in a major crime, I seriously do NOT think they would have taken it into a local Drug Store to be developed.


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