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Novice Jumper - trying to figure out how to down-size properly

 


vbachmut  (A License)

Sep 19, 2012, 5:46 PM
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Hi,

I'm a relatively novice jumper (~42 jumps, about 10 DZs, all types of weather). Lately, I've mostly been jumping with a Pilot 210 and fell in love with it. Given I weigh 220lbs with no gear, that'd give me around 1.17 loading. All landings on this canopy have been very smooth and standing up, albeit precision is still highly lacking.

I'm tired of renting and looking into investing in my own rig. Friends tell me I should probably be looking for a 190 because I'll probably downsize fairly quick. I've considered Sabre2 190 and Pilot 188 as options. Is this too aggressive for my profile? How different should I expect a Pilot 188 to feel comparing to a 210? Would a PD Optimum 193 reserve be sufficient?


Any advice highly appreciated!


Mr_Polite  (D 420)

Sep 19, 2012, 5:59 PM
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You're already jumping gear that most would say is a little too small for you. Moving down to a 190 would put you at 1.3 on your main and reserve. I would suggest sticking with a 210 for a few hundred jumps.

Not to offend you but in 42 jumps you haven't really seen "all types of weather" and landed in all of it.


BIGUN  (D 23385)

Sep 19, 2012, 7:28 PM
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Not until you can do all of these on a regularly consistent basis.

http://www.dropzone.com/...etail_page.cgi?ID=47


theonlyski  (D License)

Sep 19, 2012, 7:34 PM
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I load my Safire2 169 at about 1.2-1.3 and I have about 600 jumps.

Could I downsize? Sure! Probably would have a lot of fun.

But ya never know when you need to put it down LIKE THIS (note: the heavy breathing was to help keep the visor from fogging up, in thru nose out thru mouth-mouthport)

Do you think you're ready to take your current canopy downwind into a backyard?

At 42 jumps, you probably haven't gotten the slightest clue about what you don't know yet. That's not a really terrible thing, if you're open to learning and filling up your skill bucket before your luck bucket runs out.

You say you've experienced it in all types of weather, I HIGHLY doubt that. Usually when the weather gets cooky, the first people to get grounded are the n00bs. That's again because you don't know what you don't know and could easily make a bad decision without knowing the possibilities given the conditions.


dthames  (B 37674)

Sep 19, 2012, 7:51 PM
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<snip> I should probably be looking for a 190 because I'll probably downsize fairly quick.<snip>

I have chosen not to downsize. That is an option.


Lazarus_762  (A 67183)

Sep 19, 2012, 10:01 PM
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as an absolute Total F***ing New Guy, this statement says it all..."Lately, I've mostly been jumping with a Pilot 210 and *fell in love with it*."...Stay with it for another 50 jumps or so....then decide.


vbachmut  (A License)

Sep 19, 2012, 10:22 PM
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Thanks for all the invaluable feedback guys! I guess it's all pretty one-sided here. Given that I cannot (or haven't tried at the very least) to do all of these things (http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=47) I'll stick to my happy Pilot 210 until I get a solid number of jumps and experience.

So on a related note, Should I be looking for a PD Optimum 218 Reserve then? Will that be sufficient?

If anyone has any additional feedback or suggestions I'd love to hear it. thnx!


shorehambeach  (C License)

Sep 19, 2012, 11:32 PM
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Superb skills in that video.....thanks for posting the link.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Sep 20, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Friends tell me I should probably be looking for a 190 because I'll probably downsize fairly quick.

Any advice highly appreciated!

First, don't listen to your friends. They typically dispense really crappy advice. If you're going to solicit advice on the DZ, start with the DZO or Chief Instructor. You'll have a better chance of getting objective - and wise - opinions.

Next, who says you will downsize quickly, and more importantly what makes you/they think that?


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Sep 20, 2012, 1:30 PM
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>Should I be looking for a PD Optimum 218 Reserve then? Will that be sufficient?

If you are currently comfortable flying a Pilot 210 an Optimum 218 is probably a good choice. If you can, get a demo Optimum from PD; knowing how your reserve flies is a valuable skill. You might even try a few different sizes.



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