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jtiflyer  (D 27430)

Sep 5, 2012, 1:06 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be

fresh up on youtube. I really like some of the new points they added.

Guess UPT is sending copies to SIGMA owners


adamUK  (C 104423)

Sep 5, 2012, 1:48 PM
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Interesting. Is it really possible to completely sign away all legal rights in the USA?

They could still get you for gross negligence here in the UK waiver or not.


jtiflyer  (D 27430)

Sep 5, 2012, 1:52 PM
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not sure, I have heard you can't sign away all your rights. I have heard of lawyers walking right through the waiver, but it seems like it does protect those who follow the rules


AggieDave  (D License)

Sep 5, 2012, 3:00 PM
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"Ok, we're going to go in about five to ten seKonds..."

Best part of the video, gone forever.

Tongue


pchapman  (D 1014)

Sep 5, 2012, 5:19 PM
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Yay, they kept Bill and his beard!
(Students have fun commenting on that, even if Bill is a bit scary looking.)

Classic line:
"your instructor [..] may need to touch areas of your body in ways that might otherwise seem inappropriate."


theonlyski  (D License)

Sep 5, 2012, 6:03 PM
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In reply to:
Classic line:
"your instructor [..] may need to touch areas of your body in ways that might otherwise seem inappropriate."

Hey, the boss said so! I can't go against the manufactures instructions. AngelicAngelicAngelicAngelic



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Abedy  (D 10153)

Sep 5, 2012, 11:40 PM
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Hmmm... they talk about safety and the TI doesn't do any handle checks Unimpressed


Rover  (D 241)

Sep 6, 2012, 12:06 AM
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And that fact the Instrucror is not wearing a helmet in the most litigous (sic) contry in the world. Crazy


SEREJumper  (D 29555)

Sep 6, 2012, 12:26 AM
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Hmmm... they talk about safety and the TI doesn't do any handle checks

He does them at 0:33, simultaneous primary/secondary and then simultaneous cutaway/reserve.

I do not prefer to do them that way though.


Dutton  (D 15542)

Sep 6, 2012, 5:38 AM
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In reply to:
"Ok, we're going to go in about five to ten seKonds..."

Best part of the video, gone forever.

Tongue

I never thought you could spell it, but you nailed it.

Awesome!


normiss  (D 28356)

Sep 6, 2012, 7:05 AM
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Why do you feel an instructor should wear a helmet when jumping a Sigma?


diablopilot  (D License)

Sep 6, 2012, 7:20 AM
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And that fact the Instrucror is not wearing a helmet in the most litigous (sic) contry in the world. Crazy

Last time I checked helmets were not required on tandem jumps.


normiss  (D 28356)

Sep 6, 2012, 7:27 AM
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Strong does require them.

Wink


Abedy  (D 10153)

Sep 6, 2012, 10:29 AM
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In reply to:
Quote:
Hmmm... they talk about safety and the TI doesn't do any handle checks

He does them at 0:33, simultaneous primary/secondary and then simultaneous cutaway/reserve.

I do not prefer to do them that way though.

Had a look, you are right - I stand corrected. I missed them because I was taught to do handle checks right after tossing the drogue and before allowing passenger to get their hands out.

Anyway: Check for drogue in door? Helmet?


normiss  (D 28356)

Sep 6, 2012, 10:32 AM
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Helmet is NOT a requirement.


gregpso  (Student)

Sep 6, 2012, 10:36 AM
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I have done 20 tandems 19 at the one place in Australia.. skydive Nagambie. (What can I say I like being strapped to another man in that position..joke of course)I never saw this video or others like it. yeah I signed a waver and assumed (I believe) the fairly low risk. (no tandoom deaths in Australia for 10 years.. yes Don and Louise being the nuffy that I am I researched it !! but possible I know)

What a killjoy it would be to watch that before one jumps. You would almost feel like walking out.

I understand the USA sues more readily than here but seeing that before a jump would deflate (pardon the pun) the whole experience. (like i said I understand why its shown over there) Thanks Wokka Dipsey Don Louise for the experience.. it was real !!

Some times I fantasize I hear Don saying " greg come back and jump with Wokka all is forgiven" Then I wake up and say damm it was a dream !!

Don the email is tandemgreg@live.com.au.


(This post was edited by gregpso on Sep 6, 2012, 10:56 AM)


Abedy  (D 10153)

Sep 6, 2012, 10:36 AM
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Even if helmets are not required... wearing one shows the TI is a considerate person. Wink

BTW: Helmets (at least frap hats) are required for passengers here in Germany and very strongly recommended for TIs.
I personally give a f*ck if it looks c00l to jump without a helmet, I always wear one. So do all TIs I know around here.


normiss  (D 28356)

Sep 6, 2012, 10:45 AM
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I don't see a need for it, unless I'm jumping a Strong rig.
In that case, I would prefer my ears stay where they are.
Wink


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Sep 6, 2012, 11:16 AM
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In reply to:
I don't see a need for it, unless I'm jumping a Strong rig.
In that case, I would prefer my ears stay where they are.
Wink

..........................................................................

I don't care what the regulations say, I always wear hard-shell helmets while working as a TI.

When working as a TE, I tell candidates that must wear hard-shell helmets on every jump if they want to earn the rating. I also tell them that If they forget to strap a leather hat on their (simulated) student,s that they lose points.

Bottom line: professional TIs wear hard-shelled helmets.

Rob Warner
Strong Tandem Examiner
Racer Check Pilot
Vector and Sigma TI


normiss  (D 28356)

Sep 6, 2012, 11:23 AM
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I don't understand why simply wearing a hat makes one a professional.

I just don't see what if any, added safety there is.

(again - Strong rigs excluded - one would be crazy to not wear on with those rigs)

I base this on my tandem experience.


Rover  (D 241)

Sep 6, 2012, 12:00 PM
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Line twists on opening resulting in hardware around the ears.
Head clash.
Freefall collision with camera jumper.

For starters. Unsure


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Sep 6, 2012, 1:24 PM
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My favorite was students trying to stand up halfway out the door and slamming my head into the door frame!


jtiflyer  (D 27430)

Sep 6, 2012, 2:47 PM
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how easy is it to hear a pilot telling you not to go (or anything for that matter) with a hard helmet on?

Or have a conversation with your student?


diablopilot  (D License)

Sep 6, 2012, 2:53 PM
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In reply to:
I have done 20 tandems 19 at the one place in Australia.. skydive Nagambie. (What can I say I like being strapped to another man in that position..joke of course)I never saw this video or others like it. yeah I signed a waver and assumed (I believe) the fairly low risk. (no tandoom deaths in Australia for 10 years.. yes Don and Louise being the nuffy that I am I researched it !! but possible I know)

What a killjoy it would be to watch that before one jumps. You would almost feel like walking out.

I understand the USA sues more readily than here but seeing that before a jump would deflate (pardon the pun) the whole experience. (like i said I understand why its shown over there) Thanks Wokka Dipsey Don Louise for the experience.. it was real !!

Some times I fantasize I hear Don saying " greg come back and jump with Wokka all is forgiven" Then I wake up and say damm it was a dream !!

Don the email is tandemgreg@live.com.au.

Aww, the reality of what you're getting into might sober you enough to reconsider your desire to participate in a possibly deadly activity?

Dang. Wouldn't wanna harsh your feelings dude.


(This post was edited by diablopilot on Sep 6, 2012, 2:56 PM)


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Sep 6, 2012, 5:32 PM
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In reply to:
how easy is it to hear a pilot telling you not to go (or anything for that matter) with a hard helmet on?

Or have a conversation with your student?

Not to hard at all, I have been in the door and the pilot has yelled back to me (Caravan, Otter, Casa) and stopped the exit, on the C-182/206 They just tap ya.

There really is not REAL reason not to wear a helmet for you and your Students Protection.

Matt


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