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RobertMBlevins

Sep 3, 2012, 3:01 PM
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I thought we recently talked in here about #3 and showed it wasn't Kenny in those pics and there was no record, as of yet, showing he had been a Paratrooper?


Matt

Those pics you refer to were of Kenny's father. Lyle Christiansen sent them and neglected to tell me they were NOT of Kenny.

We know everything regarding Kenny's Army record. His dates of service, where he was stationed, unit, etc. I can find them in our records.

I did post up his Army induction paperwork once, had his thumbprint on it.


Farflung

Sep 3, 2012, 3:18 PM
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What can’t be proven is that height is difficult to judge in an aircraft, as reported many, many, many times by RobertMBlevins who refuses to name his source.

Third iteration.


RobertMBlevins

Sep 3, 2012, 3:44 PM
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What can’t be proven is that height is difficult to judge in an aircraft, as reported many, many, many times by RobertMBlevins who refuses to name his source.

Third iteration.

This was a judgment call on my part. And I already addressed this issue, mainly by stating that eyewitness reports can be somewhat unreliable at times. This is borne out in the Cooper case by the varied descriptions of the hijacker given by the witnesses. We've been over this before. Flo said maybe six feet. Robert Gregory said no more than five nine, Mucklow says five ten to six feet. The stews couldn't even agree on the FBI's Facial ID Catalog composites, or even the type of hair. For example, Alice Hancock thought he had wavy hair, while the other two said straight. So what do you believe? About the only thing the witnesses agreed on in total was that Cooper was a white guy, weighed more than 160 pounds, was maybe five something to six feet, and had dark hair and a dark suit. And he had really cool sunglasses. :)

How about this from Flo in 2007, looking at pic of KC:

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'Over the years, the FBI has shown her photos of dozens of suspects, and she has yet to identify any of them. I’d brought the photos of Kenny Christiansen, and she spread them on the table. She zeroed in on the passport photo all blown up. She rubbed his features on the page. “The ears, the ears are right.” She moved to the lips. “Yes, thin lips. And the top lip, kind of like this, yes.” Then the forehead. “A wide forehead, yes.” Then the hair. “Receding, yes, the two areas—yes, yes—sort of like this.” She was pushing down on the photo hard now, rubbing the image like a charcoal drawing. “There was more hair, though.” The eyes. “About like that.” The eyebrows. “Yeah, about like that.” The images were closer in resemblance to Cooper than any of the suspects she’s ever seen, she said. But? “But I can’t say ‘Yay.’” We got up from the table. “I think you might be onto something here,” she said.

Used under Fair Use rules, copyright 2007 by Geoff Gray and the New York Magazine.

Does Flo's testimony mean KC was the guy? Of course not. You need a lot more than a maybe. Even if she had said 'that's the guy, I'm sure of it,' you would still need additional proof. And that's exactly the point regarding KC.


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georger

Sep 3, 2012, 3:45 PM
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What can’t be proven is that height is difficult to judge in an aircraft, as reported many, many, many times by RobertMBlevins who refuses to name his source.

Third iteration.

Though he didnt state it explicitely, I thought he
implied his source is Geoff Gray (Geoff Gray's book).

His inference all along is that he and Geoff Gray
are a team now - which may come as news to Geoff
Gray!

Sham Wow will do amazing thingies.


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smokin99

Sep 3, 2012, 3:46 PM
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I'm really surprised that none of you have agreed that the Seattle FBI should at least question the witnesses regarding Christiansen.

I have nothing against them questioning witnesses - I just don't think you can totally disregard witness statements from the day - especially Tina's - who did see him standing up, had a good frame of reference, and saw him for an extended length of time.

The other problem is you want to disregard witness statements from 1971 that don't back your ascertains while, at the same time, claiming that YOUR witness statements regarding various things that happened 40 years ago are PROOF. Do you really think that your witnesses are more immune to wanting to be part of the DB Cooper phenom than everyone else? Do grits boil at a different temperature on their stoves? For all your "evidence", a great deal of it is conjecture based on witnesses who might or might not have their own agendas. Might be true, might not be true. We don't know and neither do you.

Should the FBI at least run the fingerprints and dna through - Yes. I, along with other folks have said many times that we wish they would. If they have it, why not compare it if all other things are equal. Got no argument there.

Still I would think that they have to have some sort of baseline criteria to expend resources - maybe LD met something in their baseline criteria and Kenny didn't?
I really think that those who still care about this case in the FBI hate that it is unsolved and they want to solve it. I can't imagine them thinking he is a viable suspect and not pursuing it, but that's my opinion and I'm a dog on a bone, never say die kind of person.
Who knows, maybe, we are kidding ourselves and they really couldn't care less about this case. I hope that's not the case. Smile
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RobertMBlevins

Sep 3, 2012, 3:48 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
What can’t be proven is that height is difficult to judge in an aircraft, as reported many, many, many times by RobertMBlevins who refuses to name his source.

Third iteration.

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Though he didnt state it explicitely, I thought he implied his source is Geoff Gray (Geoff Gray's book).

His inference all along is that he and Geoff Gray
are a team now - which may come as news to Geoff
Gray! Sham Wow will do amazing thingies.

One meeting in Seattle and four emails in three years does not a partnership make...and I didn't get the idea about judging height from Gray. If it were so damn easy...how come the witnesses....the people who actually SAW Cooper, could not agree?

Some of you have the mistaken impression I'm trying to convince you that KC was Cooper. Even I don't know that. Do I think the Seattle FBI should check out the witnesses, maybe run his Army prints and DNA? Yes. I think I've presented enough for them to at least give KC a glance.


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georger

Sep 3, 2012, 4:00 PM
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I have nothing against them questioning witnesses - I just don't think you can totally disregard witness statements from the day - especially Tina's - who did see him standing up, had a good frame of reference, and saw him for an extended length of time.

Smile
Don't even go there!

The next thing Blevins will have us questioning
is our own parentage and the wheel and fire -

I see nothing helpful in Sham Wow, hucksterism,
and the infamous pre-warned: Blevins Flim
Flammary. No accident Porteous chose Blevins
FOR A SCRIPT! Investigation and research MY ASS!

What I do wonder about is this guy Porteous, in
connection to Blevins.

And Geoff Gray, in connection to Blevins.

Is Blevins just some lone wolf out on a 'toot'
or does he have actual company in this debacle?

Or is this all comedy, as some new leverage to
get into the FBI's pants?

He's lost the credibility and intelligence angle.
What's left? Comedy and Pity?

Because I seriously doubt one person could come up
with much less generater all of this this "shit". How
many people are actively involved in writing scripts
for Blevins, behind the scenes, at AB Books?

No single person has the stamina to be doing what
Ole' Blev is doing, under one name?

There is something rotten in Denmark here.

Dont think for one second Blevins is doing all of this
alone!


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georger

Sep 3, 2012, 4:04 PM
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One meeting in Seattle and four emails in three years does not a partnership make...and I didn't get the idea about judging height from Gray. If it were so damn easy...how come the witnesses....the people who actually SAW Cooper, could not agree?

.
So I did hit a soft spot!

So you are making all of this up yourself, with a
little help from, Gayla etal?

Just as Gray warned years ago you would do! ?

AB Books does specialise in bad science fiction - yes?
You have advertised it many-many-many times
before here.

Who is the physicist? You or Gayla?

How many people ARE responsible for your
flim flammary fosited off on the internet?

In your case Blevins: its like throwing peanuts at
a monkey to see which way he will jump (or type)
next. Looking for any sign of rational human
thought. Its entertainment, and you are the
monkey.

Thanks for the show! Definately a dime's worth.
Except peanuts these days are $5.00 a bag, not a
dime! And $12.50-$17.50 in some locations!

What's your percentage on each bag sold?


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Farflung

Sep 3, 2012, 5:21 PM
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What hubris to tell me you already addressed something I specifically asked for, after you post that utter nonsense about Carolyn Tyner, and her beyond reproach reputation as she is married to a Boulder Cop, a total of 22 times. Twenty two and you did not lament how you already brought that up, I presume because nobody ever asked you for that information.

How many times have you posted Kenny’s bank statement (10 -12 examples)? You must be exhausted dragging out that irrelevant image of a bank balance of $200,000, over a quarter century after the crime. Is one to assume that Kenny spent none of the money on his wild spending spree with the four breasted woman?

Why do all questions about source references require so many revisions and restatements that it makes the Treaty of Versailles look like a bid on eBay for a Beanie Baby? Is it because the only path of thought is the one you are laying out and as long as there is quiet compliance, then you are happy and feel accomplished? You may have sold yourself a bill of goods there RobertMBlevins.

Do you think I would have a ‘special’ interest in this phenomenon involving the mind altering effect the interior of an aircraft may have on height estimation? I certainly don’t know everything, but as soon as the man with a pile of crap in front of him asks me what sort of bread I would like, it is time to go on a diet; a starvation diet.


skyjack71

Sep 3, 2012, 6:52 PM
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Quick response I may regret -

Porteous did a pretty good job. Hard to think and
do follow up in a pressure situation like this, where
Rataczak is a primary witness and hard to get in
the first place. The whole interview is good.

G.

Georger:

Why do you say the co-pilot is a hard to get an interview with? At times I think you are in the know with the FBI and then other times you seem to be completely out of the loop.

I wish there was a way to PM you because I want to propose something to you - if I can pull it off. You come across as both bias and objective and that is good. You know you can open your pm for me and then close it again if you think I do anything inappropriate...,,

I can use your private email account or you can set up another email address - which you can delete at any time...just how I would receive this would be impossible unless you open your PM's to me for a couple of exchanges. Your Call.

By the way this involves the CO-pilot. Not going to make public what is going thru my mind right now.


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mrshutter45

Sep 3, 2012, 6:54 PM
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Hmmmmm (see photo)


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Farflung

Sep 3, 2012, 6:59 PM
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RobertMBlevins states with irony so thick, that it actually resembles iron with:

“Those pics you refer to were of Kenny's father. Lyle Christiansen sent them and neglected to tell me they were NOT of Kenny.”

You do realize that you are admitting that you can’t identify a picture of Kenny when you actually know what he looks like? Your other pictures of Kenny (with pipe, singing in a bar) I would bet are NOT him either. No resemblance at all, but someone ‘sane’ must have convinced you otherwise.

So if you can’t ID a picture of Kenny, how is Florence, Alice or she who stokes the fires my loins- Tina, supposed to be able to ID Kenny as Cooper, forty years later? Seems unfair putting them on the spot and over quoting what they say. But linear activity is a stranger round these here parts.


skyjack71

Sep 3, 2012, 7:27 PM
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Smile
In reply to:

What I do wonder about is this guy Porteous, in
connection to Blevins.

And Geoff Gray, in connection to Blevins.

Is Blevins just some lone wolf out on a 'toot'
or does he have actual company in this debacle?

Or is this all comedy, as some new leverage to
get into the FBI's pants?

He's lost the credibility and intelligence angle.
What's left? Comedy and Pity?

Because I seriously doubt one person could come up
with much less generater all of this this "shit". How
many people are actively involved in writing scripts
for Blevins, behind the scenes, at AB Books?

No single person has the stamina to be doing what
Ole' Blev is doing, under one name?

There is something rotten in Denmark here.

Dont think for one second Blevins is doing all of this
alone!


SmileI agree with that 100%. There is more than one individual in Cooper World who LOVES to feed the fish and play with the puppets. I should know I have been on the receiving end as a fish and as a puppet.

SmileNow I ignore the back-feed and do what I must do....forge on and do the damn best I can.

FrownSo much is now repetition over and over with Blevins and he is just a fish in the bowl. I have notice it seems like someone is coaching him as of recent.

ShockedMe? At least I retain my own thoughts and continued to do what I must do. You will notice the posts I do are off the top of my head regarding whatever is being discussed - I do not go back and repeat my old posts from yrs ago - word for word the way Blevins does.

TongueWhen a certain person was using me as his puppet - I tried to make it my own - and refused to go where I was NOT comfortable going.

ShockedWinkUnimpressedCool
ME THINKS Blevins doing what he is doing at this stage of the game - HAS ALL the EAR MARKS of his working with a production contract! He is pushing all the wrong button way too hard!


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skyjack71

Sep 3, 2012, 7:57 PM
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Hmmmmm (see photo)

SmileDid YOU GUYS know that back in 1971 - the stewardess were REQUIRED to wear heels - I do not remember the height, but it was over 1 1/2 inches. The style in 1971 was - over 2 1/2 to 3 inches but, do NOT remember the stewardess requirements. My friend who was younger than I was applied to train as a Delta Stewardess in 1976 - her name was Pattie. She got side tracked and ended up getting married.

CrazyHow tall was Tina. The height requirement was over 5ft 6 in and NO glasses. Add heels to that and you have 5 ft 8 ins.

SlyTina was not sitting at all times NOR was Cooper - thought you might need to be reminded of this. Tina KNEW how tall Cooper was! She was NOT guessing!

Shocked
Am I miss remembering Cooper went to the bath room?

Is this not when Alice was face to face with Cooper as he returned from the bathroom? Did she not note how he carried the briefcase? She noted something else also, but I thought this was something Gray extricated from her mind or made up. Hell, for all I know - anything he said about Alice might have been created or altered!

P.S. to Smokin99 - I think you are dead on with this statement "Who knows, maybe, we are kidding ourselves and they really couldn't care less about this case. I hope that's not the case".

FrownUnsureMad Unfortunately smokin99 - they DON'T CARE!
The FBI only wants to flush this case and the embarassment down the toilet. If it is never solved - then they have protected their integrity. If one little old woman did it they would never live it down!LaughSmile
Right! Now the FBI has motive to let the case go unsolved!


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mrshutter45

Sep 3, 2012, 8:10 PM
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I seen the high heels, that is why a question mark is there, unless someone actually measures your height...it's just a guess Cool


skyjack71

Sep 3, 2012, 8:25 PM
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I seen the high heels, that is why a question mark is there, unless someone actually measures your height...it's just a guess Cool

Because of the height requirements and heels and the girls having to be able to open the overhead compartments and place luggage in them - Tina in uniform - would have been about 5'8" herself in full stewardess dress. WHY the FBI knew there WAS no way - KC was Cooper. Blevin threw in the elevated shoe thing - but they were very very obvious in 1971 and I will personally attest to that....dated a guy who was shorter than I was.


mrshutter45

Sep 3, 2012, 8:29 PM
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"Tina KNEW how tall Cooper was! She was NOT guessing!"

I was referring to that quote on guessing, it's still only a guess unless she told him to "hold still while I measure you" CoolWink


Robert99

Sep 3, 2012, 8:34 PM
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In reply to:
Hmmmmm (see photo)

SmileDid YOU GUYS know that back in 1971 - the stewardess were REQUIRED to wear heels - I do not remember the height, but it was over 1 1/2 inches. The style in 1971 was - over 2 1/2 to 3 inches but, do NOT remember the stewardess requirements. My friend who was younger than I was applied to train as a Delta Stewardess in 1976 - her name was Pattie. She got side tracked and ended up getting married.

CrazyHow tall was Tina. The height requirement was over 5ft 6 in and NO glasses. Add heels to that and you have 5 ft 8 ins.

SlyTina was not sitting at all times NOR was Cooper - thought you might need to be reminded of this. Tina KNEW how tall Cooper was! She was NOT guessing!

Shocked
Am I miss remembering Cooper went to the bath room?

Is this not when Alice was face to face with Cooper as he returned from the bathroom? Did she not note how he carried the briefcase? She noted something else also, but I thought this was something Gray extricated from her mind or made up. Hell, for all I know - anything he said about Alice might have been created or altered!

P.S. to Smokin99 - I think you are dead on with this statement "Who knows, maybe, we are kidding ourselves and they really couldn't care less about this case. I hope that's not the case".

FrownUnsureMad Unfortunately smokin99 - they DON'T CARE!
The FBI only wants to flush this case and the embarassment down the toilet. If it is never solved - then they have protected their integrity. If one little old woman did it they would never live it down!LaughSmile
Right! Now the FBI has motive to let the case go unsolved!

Jo, the heels the stewardress is wearing in that photo are NOT high heels. And stewardresses did NOT wear high heels such as you describe.

In addition to looking beautiful, stewardresses also had some very important duties. Such as helping the passengers during emergencies. High heel shoes on the stews would have been a problem in case of an accident.

And whether you can believe it or not, high heels (or spike heels) were extremely hard on the cabin aisle carpets and the underlying aircraft structure.

I imagine that ever airline had its height requirements, but I doubt very much that 5 feet, 6 inches was a minimum. Just based on my personal observations, the minium height was more like 5 feet, 2 inches. And there was probably a maximum but I don't know what it would be.

Robert99


mrshutter45

Sep 3, 2012, 8:38 PM
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good catch 99, I also thought she was wearing them by the way her right leg was, oh well.......

But then again

http://elt.oup.com/...s&selLanguage=en

As for women most airlines will require you to wear high heels when you are boarding, unboarding and walking in the terminal.

Most airlines will require you to change into flats or lower heals when you are on the plane for both safety and comfort reasons.


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skyjack71

Sep 3, 2012, 10:30 PM
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1971 - Delta Airlines requirements did state height and glasses and even weight.

To get on with Delta - you had to be pretty sharp in 1971. They WERE required to wear heels and like I said I do NOT know what that requirement was. I KNOW it was over 1 inch and you couldn't buy one inch heels in 1971 unless it was OLD lady shoes.

The height requirement was around 5'6" - Perhaps there is a retired Delta stewardess lurking around who can tell us what the 1971 requirements where. I personally saw the requirements in 1976, because of Pattie . They wanted only the Best and in those days you had to be pretty hot. There were changes made around 1975 that lowered the height requirement.

Remember this in 1971 - we didn't usually have luggage carry ons. The overhead compartments were higher and smaller. The most a man or woman carried on was a briefcase and a make-up case.
Perhaps a shopping bag or Christmas gifts. Flying in 1971 has nothing to do with the rule in the yrs and changes that would come later,

Even in 1978 and 1979 when I was flying from Denver to Atlanta (twice)- I only carried my make-up case and a purse. Why don't one of you contact Florence and see if she remembers what the requirements where. I am NOT wrong. Our luggage was strong and sturdy (I still have the make-up case and larger pieces)...they ARE very heavy and only used to store thing in the attic now. Probably dry rotted.


Robert99

Sep 3, 2012, 10:52 PM
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1971 - Delta Airlines requirements did state height and glasses and even weight.

To get on with Delta - you had to be pretty sharp in 1971. They WERE required to wear heels and like I said I do NOT know what that requirement was. I KNOW it was over 1 inch and you couldn't buy one inch heels in 1971 unless it was OLD lady shoes.

The height requirement was around 5'6" - Perhaps there is a retired Delta stewardess lurking around who can tell us what the 1971 requirements where. I personally saw the requirements in 1976, because of Pattie . They wanted only the Best and in those days you had to be pretty hot. There were changes made around 1975 that lowered the height requirement.

Remember this in 1971 - we didn't usually have luggage carry ons. The overhead compartments were higher and smaller. The most a man or woman carried on was a briefcase and a make-up case.
Perhaps a shopping bag or Christmas gifts. Flying in 1971 has nothing to do with the rule in the yrs and changes that would come later,

Even in 1978 and 1979 when I was flying from Denver to Atlanta (twice)- I only carried my make-up case and a purse. Why don't one of you contact Florence and see if she remembers what the requirements where. I am NOT wrong. Our luggage was strong and sturdy (I still have the make-up case and larger pieces)...they ARE very heavy and only used to store thing in the attic now. Probably dry rotted.

Jo, All airlines had requirements for their stewardresses but not always the ones you listed.

There was indeed carry on luggage in 1971 and that included luggage specifically designed to fit under the seats.

If sewardresses couldn't reach the overhead bins, they could get four or more male volunteers to assist them in less than two seconds. I think the stews received special training from their mothers for situations like that.

Robert99


RobertMBlevins

Sep 4, 2012, 12:01 AM
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I'm going to post a portion of a previous comment to set the record straight:

Geoff Gray was allowed access by the Seattle FBI to the official witness reports. Check pages 91-93, I believe. The witnesses were all over on the descriptions. Robert Gregory said the hijacker was no taller than five-nine. Tina said five-ten to six feet. Flo Schaffner thought six feet. All of the stews went with different combinations on the FBI's Face ID catalog. But this stuff is typical, so taking one particular item as holy in the descriptions is a tough sell. No one agreed exactly on the hair, even the suit he was wearing. So who the eff knows? It's a very general thing, although you could eliminate people based upon it...for example...if they were six four and had blond hair. You could rule that person out. But the truth is that Cooper, aka The Sketch, looks like a lot of people. He's not real unique and that's been part of the problem in identifying him.

The Interview With Bruce Smith:

This happened before I even finished all the interviews of the witnesses. Back in those days, (*laughs*) I was actually worried that the Seattle FBI might care enough about the case that if they thought we were really on to something, they might get a warrant and show up to confiscate all the docs, pictures, even our computers. LOL...now that I look back on it that was pretty naive. Bruce's main 'thing' during his interview was he wanted to know the true identities of Margaret and Bernie Geestman, and Bernie's sister Dawn. And I refused to give them to him. I didn't know who he was, and I hadn't done the last interview with Margaret yet, nor had I met Helen Jones or her daughter at that time. I was afraid he (or someone else) would go running around trying to hound these people before I could obtain additional information from them. None of them had ever been approached before about Christiansen or the Cooper case.

I was also a little freaked about the whole thing, mainly because I never expected these people to start pointing fingers at each other regarding the hijacking from the start. That was WEIRD. A normal reaction would be 'Are you crazy? Get out of here!'

Instead, both Margaret and Bernie pointed at each other right away as being involved in the hijacking. Then Bernie's sister ID's the tie tac, admits to the cash loan, and says she suspected KC was the guy right from the start. I thought, WTF is this? Sometimes you have to go with your instincts, and my instincts told me that unless these folks had something to do with the hijacking, this was NOT NORMAL.

I won't burden you with the rest of what happened over the next 18-24 months or whatever. You've heard it before. Okay, maybe the short version. Then Carolyn Tyner gets a call from me out of the blue and says yes...she and her ex Robin Powell lived with KC...and yes...the money story out back was true. Bernie Geestman tries lying to History Channel...they bust him cold...then he appears on the Decoded show and says Kenny could be the hijacker. But he was WITH Kenny the week of the hijacking. Previously, he had said he hardly knew him. On the show, he says he was at Kenny's deathbed. Whatever. They should call the guy Pinnochio.

An important point on Bernie Geestman: He wasn't paid a cent to drive down 120 miles and be on Decoded. So why did he do it? I think it was an attempt at damage control, but producer Pete Berg said it was weird how he would sit there like a stone and not even give a response to questions like, 'Where were you at the time the airliner was hijacked?' Absolutely no response. Cut. Let's try that again. Nothing.

You know what? Like that guy said in Apocalypse Now, there is so much BS in Vietnam (see: the Cooper case) that you need wings to stay above it. Brother, that's the truth. People get mad at me sometimes because they think I am trying to manipulate the evidence to fit KC as the hijacker. That is not true, although it IS a learning process. One thing I have NEVER done is to knowingly lie about anything I have discovered. Mistakes? YES. Lying, no.

If I were stupid enough to do that even one time, anything else I bothered to present would be justifiably rejected. The circumstantial case against Christiansen is what it is. It exists. It doesn't prove he was the hijacker, it's just curious. And my position on it remains the same: I think there's enough evidence to warrant a minor investigation by the Seattle FBI. They should speak to the Geestmans', Helen Jones, and Bernie's sister Dawn. I think they would get to the truth pretty quick and there are only two possibilities:

1) That Christiansen and Geestman were involved in the hijacking.

2) That they were not.

It's a simple concept. Consider this: If the full body of witness testimony and documentation that I have presented about KC had been presented within twelve months AFTER the hijacking, I think the FBI would have spoken to these people right away. Forty years later? Who can say...their current position is that Cooper died in the jump anyway, and had little or no chute experience. But again, these are the same people who went public with Marla in a fairly big way, and got burned.

I don't know. Maybe someone will take what I discovered and try to figure it all out somewhere down the road. Was he or wasn't he the guy? You got me, that's for sure.


skyjack71

Sep 4, 2012, 12:11 AM
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Flight requirements.

These planes were larger and Delta required some height, not 5'2". Delta did make some changes but, in the 1960's the height and weight were strictly adhered to until there were some law-suits (especially about weight). I understand that if you were on the short side of the height requirements you did NOT get the "glamour flights" with the larger planes.

The carry-on's were very small. When you speak of a carry on today - we are talking a decent size piece of luggage. The 727's had over-head compartments and a 5'2" stewardess could not depend on a "gentleman" to do her job for her.....

Most of the girls who went thru training did NOT make the grade.
Wonder just how the airlines picked them (business was not OPEN Book in the 60's) and there was hidden discrimination taking place?

The small make-up case were not light especially in the designer lines (they did not have the plastics and fabric we have today). The make-up case I went to College with was lighter (coated card board) than the designer luggage I had in the 70's. The more they cost the heavier they were - at least that was the way it was in my case.

The late 60's was a glamour era for the Stew's and the competition to get the jobs especially with Delta was competitive. Delta chose only the pick of the crop and was the most sought after airline to work for...most girls did not make it thru the Flight Training Schools.

The lawsuits started around 1969 or 1970 and Delta had to change their requirements. For the smaller planes 5'3" was ok, but not for the 727 and the larger planes...they wanted GLAMOUR and they got it! Delta's signature in the 60's for the stewardesses was Glamour on the bigger planes and they want to appeal to the clientele who could afford the airfare.

We are talking Delta Flights 1960's and then changes started to come around with the influx of the lawsuites over weight, marriage, pregnancies and other discriminations.


georger

Sep 4, 2012, 12:26 AM
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It's a simple concept. Consider this: If the full body of witness testimony and documentation that I have presented about KC had been presented within twelve months AFTER the hijacking, I think the FBI would have spoken to these people right away. Forty years later? Who can say...their current position is that Cooper died in the jump anyway, and had little or no chute experience. But again, these are the same people who went public with Marla in a fairly big way, and got burned.

I don't know. Maybe someone will take what I discovered and try to figure it all out somewhere down the road. Was he or wasn't he the guy? You got me, that's for sure.
There you go with concepts again. I snipped the
paragraphs of repeated BS above that ...

Here's a NEW concept!

If my sources are correct (stll fact-checking that)
Lyle Christiansen was interviewed on a talk show
in November of 2007 (national syndication), and
was asked 'what is really going on with your story
about your brother being DB Cooper?', and Lyle
laughed and paused a bit and replied:

'I just liked the story and thought it would be a good
story'.

The interviewer then asked Lyle directly: "Do you
believe your brother was DB Cooper?", to which Lyle
replied laughing, "No".

Soon after the broadcast several people contacted
Mr. Porteous and asked for his comment. Apparently
nobody received a reply from Mr. porteous. Email
was sent to Porteous and still no reply. Shortly after
this you surfaced and contacted at least one of the
people who had contacted Porteous, and you
disavowed Lyles' statements made during his radio
broadcast, with accompanying harsh commentary.

This program was not on "Coast-to-Coast" but
another network.

Would you care to comment ?

Please be brief.

Secondly, arent all of your effort here at Dropzone
designed to keep the Kenny story alive, to keep the
possibility of a script alive, and havent you and
several other people discussed this?

Would you care to comment about that ?

Please be brief.

Do you want to guess who my source in New York
City is?


(This post was edited by georger on Sep 4, 2012, 12:36 AM)


RobertMBlevins

Sep 4, 2012, 12:41 AM
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Comment? Sure.

Do you have proof of this? I especially liked the part:

Quote:
'If my sources are correct (stll fact-checking that)...'

You mean you posted up all of that without knowing if your source(s) are correct and lacking fact-check?

Well, that's certainly responsible. (*laughs*)

Let me know when you find this 'interview'.


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