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shah269  (A 59581)

Aug 21, 2012, 7:29 AM
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As a new jumper is there a comprehensive list of safety procedures one should consider when visiting a new drop zone without coming across as an annoyance?

I understand that manifests are busy and people need to make a living and getting in the way of operations is impolite. However as a new jumper what do you suggest one does to ensure that they have a safe experience?

Thank you in advance.


ChrisL  (C 35323)

Aug 21, 2012, 7:46 AM
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As a new jumper is there a comprehensive list of safety procedures one should consider when visiting a new drop zone without coming across as an annoyance?

I understand that manifests are busy and people need to make a living and getting in the way of operations is impolite. However as a new jumper what do you suggest one does to ensure that they have a safe experience?

Thank you in advance.

Find an instructor, ask questions, find out the policies and procedures, find out where the outs are or any particular hazards, powerlines, farmer McNasty's, etc around the dropzone.

If you cant find someone willing to answer these basic questions without getting annoyed, find another DZ Smile


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missbrz  (B License)

Aug 21, 2012, 7:46 AM
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ALWAYS ask for a dropzone briefing. I ask for one if I havent been there in a few months even. Policies change, landing areas change. Always good to know the current rules to follow. Make sure you're getting it from somebody in the know too. Manifest will know who should be giving them and who shouldn't be.


davelepka  (D 21448)

Aug 21, 2012, 7:49 AM
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Just ask when you sign your waiver for a DZ tour/intro from a local jumper/staff member. This will typically include the low points, like where the bathroom as and where you can pack, but it will also include the high points, things like the landing areas, the layout of the LZ, a look at an overhead pic, landing patterns, places you're not supposed to land/walk/fly, manifest procedures, aircraft loading location and procedures, and exit orders/procedures.

I would be weary of any DZ that would not provide the above service to a low time jumper new to the DZ.


shah269  (A 59581)

Aug 21, 2012, 7:51 AM
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So show up early and sit tight untill things get quiet in manifest. Thank you!


piisfish

Aug 21, 2012, 7:54 AM
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and also for your "safety" make sure they don't find out you are "The Shah from DZ.com" LaughLaughLaugh
and don't let your logbook out of sight Angelic


(This post was edited by piisfish on Aug 21, 2012, 7:55 AM)


davelepka  (D 21448)

Aug 21, 2012, 7:55 AM
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So show up early and sit tight untill things get quiet in manifest. Thank you!

How is that what you take away from what's been posted?????

Show up, go to manifest with your USPA card/license/repack card etc, and ask to waiver in. When your business with manifest is complete, ask for a DZ briefing if they haven't already called someone over to handle it.

What are you sitting around for? Get in there, get your buisness done, and get to jumping.


missbrz  (B License)

Aug 21, 2012, 8:09 AM
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I'm with Dave on this. don't just sit there. Manifest usually doesnt do the briefing. They just tell you who to get it from or page somebody for you. It takes all of 2 seconds of their time. If you just sit quietly, you probably wont jump... Especially if you also take that mentality to the jumping itself. Once you get the briefing ask who the organizers are. Or who are jumpers that do your discipline. It's easy just dont be afraid to speak up Wink


Fast  (D 28237)

Aug 21, 2012, 8:09 AM
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So show up early and sit tight untill things get quiet in manifest. Thank you!

When on earth does it get quiet at manifest???? lol what a concept.

Honestly, point your ass towards manifest / office / etc and get your jump on.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Aug 21, 2012, 8:10 AM
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Show up, go to manifest with your USPA card/license/repack card etc, and ask to waiver in. When your business with manifest is complete, ask for a DZ briefing if they haven't already called someone over to handle it.
Hey Shah, what Dave said. Smile

After the briefing take a walk out the landing area and look it over.Smile


shah269  (A 59581)

Aug 21, 2012, 9:00 AM
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I'm with Dave on this. don't just sit there. Manifest usually doesnt do the briefing. They just tell you who to get it from or page somebody for you. It takes all of 2 seconds of their time. If you just sit quietly, you probably wont jump... Especially if you also take that mentality to the jumping itself. Once you get the briefing ask who the organizers are. Or who are jumpers that do your discipline. It's easy just dont be afraid to speak up Wink
Thank you thank you! Smile


CSpenceFLY  (D 25252)

Aug 21, 2012, 9:02 AM
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In reply to:
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So show up early and sit tight untill things get quiet in manifest. Thank you!

How is that what you take away from what's been posted?????

Show up, go to manifest with your USPA card/license/repack card etc, and ask to waiver in. When your business with manifest is complete, ask for a DZ briefing if they haven't already called someone over to handle it.

What are you sitting around for? Get in there, get your buisness done, and get to jumping.


I would answer this question for you but I'm not up for a banning.


GLIDEANGLE  (D 30292)

Aug 21, 2012, 9:16 AM
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All of the above is good advice.

Based on my bad experiences, I want to emphasize......

ALWAYS walk the landing area!

(Of course, do so safely)


shah269  (A 59581)

Aug 21, 2012, 9:27 AM
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Walk as in get a visual of the potential hazards?
Is there something in particular one should be looking for? Other than the obvious rocks and holes?

Again thank you


CygnusX-1  (B 28761)

Aug 21, 2012, 9:31 AM
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Honestly, point your ass towards manifest / office / etc and get your jump on.

If he points his ass towards manifest, isn't he walking away from the DZ? I think you meant to say "Follow your d*ck to manifest and get your jump on." Sly


missbrz  (B License)

Aug 21, 2012, 9:36 AM
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yes those but also how people set up their patterns. If you like avoiding a lot of traffic, check where the traffic is and see if there is a safe (and make sure it is acceptable) alternative. Often I'll choose a slightly longer walk over being near the bulk of the traffic.


theonlyski  (D License)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:29 AM
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yes those but also how people set up their patterns. If you like avoiding a lot of traffic, check where the traffic is and see if there is a safe (and make sure it is acceptable) alternative. Often I'll choose a slightly longer walk over being near the bulk of the traffic.

It's a shorter walk from the parking lot than from our landing area.

So maybe not THAT often. Tongue


DocPop  (C License)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:36 AM
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Walk as in get a visual of the potential hazards?
Is there something in particular one should be looking for? Other than the obvious rocks and holes?

-Other jumper's patterns.
-Powerlines & other obstacles
-Potential areas of turbulence
-Wind indicators and direction
-Areas of canopy congestion & areas where you could land away from others

There are more but you get the idea....


GLIDEANGLE  (D 30292)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:37 AM
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While walking the LZ you should be looking for:

~ Surface problems (holes, rocks, sprinkler heads, etc).

~ Nearby obstacles (fences, trees, ditches, etc).

~ Turbulence generators.

~ LZ size.

~ Wind indicators (wind socks, flags, wind blades).


DcloudZ  (B 37320)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:45 AM
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If I may chime in with a question, what is considered a turbulence generator? How can one be spotted?


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:49 AM
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http://www.dropzone.com/...e_Safety/index.shtml

Most of the tips in these articles will also apply to going to a new DZ generally, especially if you're going from a single-Cessna DZ to one that turns multiple turbines.


wolfriverjoe  (A 50013)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:58 AM
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If I may chime in with a question, what is considered a turbulence generator? How can one be spotted?

Anything that sticks up into the wind will generate turbulence. Trees, buildings, hills, ect.

A lot of DZs have a "bad" wind direction, where there are a lot of things in one direction that will generate turbulence if the wind is blowing from there.

USPA SIM 4 C. Scroll down a bit to where they talk about turbulence.


DocPop  (C License)

Aug 21, 2012, 11:03 AM
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If I may chime in with a question, what is considered a turbulence generator? How can one be spotted?

Anything that disrupts the flow of the wind, in the same way as a stone in a river disrupts the flow of the water.

Common examples include rows of trees and buildings.

Turbulence can extend vertically up to twice the height of the obstacle and downwind in excess of 10 times the height of the obstacle, depending on the strength of the wind.

For example a hangar 30 feet high could create a zone of turbulence 300 feet downwind of it.


Divalent  (C 40494)

Aug 21, 2012, 1:46 PM
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Visit their web site and see what information is available there. When was about to visit Z-hills, I was able to download their waiver form and fill it out in advance.

Also, they used to have a really good DZ Overview for licensed skydivers that gave a lot of good general information (jump run directions, landing areas, policies, etc). It was about a 5 page PDF (in color, with photos, etc). But I just went to their website and I can't find it there anymore. I thought it was an excellent starting point, which complimented the orientation I got when I arrived. (It struck me as a good model for other DZ's to copy).


jrjny  (A License)

Aug 21, 2012, 5:21 PM
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what i've learned in no particular order:

Eloy
who sets the pattern:
- first down (yep - any sign yet?)
- windsock / do what you feel like

Mile Hi
fences/powerlines/holes in the ground

Deland
anyone could jump here without any briefing just watch the runways

Z-Hills
lots of people landing at same time

Raeford
watch the spot, winds are a bit shifty/come n go nature

Connecticut Parachutists
When there's snow everywhere you might not find the LZ!

Skydive Long Island
Stay away from tandem LZ otherwise anyone could jump without a briefing



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