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Electra - really low exit weight?!

 


Joe2003

Aug 21, 2012, 9:55 AM
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Hey

I currently jumping a PD silehoutte 170. I have 240 jumps on it and wanted to downsize to a 150. I have the option of an Electra 150 locally but had some questions.

Why is the max weight on it so low?!! It looks like its set at a wingloading of 1.0.. Is a wl of 1.25-1.3 just going to pop the cells?


(This post was edited by Joe2003 on Aug 21, 2012, 12:47 PM)


mr2mk1g  (C 103449)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:02 AM
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It's a hybrid - the bottom skin is F111.


Joe2003

Aug 21, 2012, 10:09 AM
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Sorry, but where did I say I had 240 jumps? I said I had 240 on that canopy... Was asking about the canopy


charshakh  (D 760)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:11 AM
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Tried a SIL 150 for about 10 jumps at 1.15:1! It was HELL OF FUN to fly but landings wasn't that fun... The canopy couldn't flare at all...Pirate


DocPop  (C License)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:38 AM
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.. The canopy couldn't flare at all...Pirate

Maybe it was hoping that you would help it!


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Hey

I currently jumping a PD silehoutte 170. I have 240 jumps on it and wanted to downsize to a 150. I have the option of a 150 locally but had some questions.

Why is the max weight on it so low?!! It looks like its set at a wingloading of 1.0.. Is a wl of 1.25-1.3 just going to pop the cells?

Because that is the weight PD feels is safe for that canopy. But if you own it you can load it any way you want. What's the worst that can happen.

Sparky


Premier fullflight  (D 17162)

Aug 21, 2012, 12:31 PM
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The placarded weight limits on Main canopies are guidelines and legal disclaimers but on the Silhouettes I remember that the canopies got very, VERY twitchy at higher wing loadings. At loads below a certain point, they behaved in a docile fashion. A move to a 150 from a 170, assuming a current jumper and nominal canopy skills should not pose a problem but if you are near the wing loading line that crosses into "twitchy" territory, you may not like it.


Joe2003

Aug 21, 2012, 12:52 PM
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Just re-read my original post. I was talking about an Electra 150, not the SIL. My mistake, poorly worded :-)

I have jumped a 150 SIL and was happy with it, but the Electra 150 has a MAX exit weight of 70KG. I know this is out of my weight limits (most people over 6ft too) it was more of me just enquiring as to why an intermediate eliptical canopy has a MAW of 70kg, just seems significantly lower than any other canopy,


BIGUN  (D 23385)

Aug 21, 2012, 6:10 PM
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You received a good answer in the second post.
You received a better answer from Sparky.

Perhaps if you'll tell us what answer you want, this will go faster.


NealFitz  (C 106601)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:21 PM
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I load my electra150 at 1.3 it flies just fine. i wasnt aware that the max weight was so low tho


Joe2003

Aug 21, 2012, 11:13 PM
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Thanks Bigun, your answer was the best of all!


flow  (D 3019)

Aug 22, 2012, 12:25 AM
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I've jumped the PdF Merit 150 (I believe that was the predecessor of Electra) at 1.35 loading and it was a really fun canopy to fly. It was also quite twitchy at that loading, at least compared to similarly loaded Sabre, Sabre2 and Hornet.

It reacted easily to harness inputs and had fast turn ratio, but started to lack a little on the bottom end of the flare compared to Sabre2. I know people who have jumped Electras with a higher wingloading so maybe it handles the loading better.

Don't you have a chance to test jump it?


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Joe2003

Aug 22, 2012, 1:36 AM
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I do, and I have jumped lots of other canopies in that size range, just nothing with a exit weight so low. Think I'm gonna stick to the manufactures recommendations and stay away


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Aug 22, 2012, 7:43 AM
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I do, and I have jumped lots of other canopies in that size range, just nothing with a exit weight so low. Think I'm gonna stick to the manufactures recommendations and stay away

Best answer of all. Wink

Sparky


voilsb  (D 30581)

Aug 22, 2012, 10:40 AM
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I do, and I have jumped lots of other canopies in that size range, just nothing with a exit weight so low. Think I'm gonna stick to the manufactures recommendations and stay away

Best answer of all. Wink

Sparky
That's no fun! A couple months ago, I got to borrow an Excalibur 150 (label max exit weight 184lb, my exit weight 230lb) and put a jump on it. Yeah, it opened in a stall, but once it inflated it flew great! It just didn't flare past my shoulders. Instead, it violently stalled. But I did have a soft landing under my Raven!
That's one side of the overloaded canopy option ...

On the other side, PD says that any Sabre2 I jump smaller than a 150 is overloaded, and the 135 and 120 happen to fly quite well at my exit weight.


Joe2003

Aug 22, 2012, 10:43 AM
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Why thank you, I thought it up myself


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Aug 22, 2012, 4:22 PM
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(label max exit weight 184lb, my exit weight 230lb)

Jumping a canopy almost 50 pounds over max exit weight is not fun its stupid.

Sparky



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