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chiron

Aug 20, 2012, 10:26 PM
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hello everyone i am training to be an industrial designer and was wondering whether you as a community could help me and possibly yourselves in the future by sharing any and all problems you find with currently available helmets.


johnmatrix  (D 9999)

Aug 20, 2012, 11:02 PM
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They cost too much.


bofh  (D 13995)

Aug 20, 2012, 11:37 PM
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In reply to:
They cost too much.

And also are too heavy and protect too little...


piisfish

Aug 20, 2012, 11:57 PM
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we need a mobile but yet snagproof cameramount


dmkellett  (D 4370)

Aug 21, 2012, 12:08 AM
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Rather than a box stuck onto the helmet we need a smooth incorporated camera box as part of the helmet design, smooth flowing curves and it would be pretty snag resistant. Also having the impact foam up to impact standards like the protect and other snowboarding helmets would be awesome. currently helmets are more of audible mounts than protection devices. tear drop towards the back of the neck would help airlflow.

thanks


decompresion  (D License)

Aug 21, 2012, 9:43 AM
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Quote:
They cost too much.
what he said


mchamp  (D 32129)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:48 AM
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Implementation of dimples similar to those in golf balls therefore creating less drag/friction with the airflow. Even proven to save gas when used on a car (at least according to mythbusters) by a whopping 11%


mccordia  (D 94775)

Aug 21, 2012, 12:48 PM
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Dimples on golfballs work with the speed/size/weight of a golfball. How many airplane nose-cones look like golfballs?


kallend  (D 23151)

Aug 21, 2012, 1:00 PM
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Implementation of dimples similar to those in golf balls therefore creating less drag/friction with the airflow. Even proven to save gas when used on a car (at least according to mythbusters) by a whopping 11%

Whether or not this works depends on whether or not the flow separates early. Early flow separation happens on smooth spheres, giving a lot of drag. The turbulence introduced by dimpling adds some friction drag but delays the flow separation and reduces overall drag.
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The Taurus used by Mythbusters may benefit, but it doesn't mean that a better designed car would. Or, for that matter, a helmet or wingsuit wing.


(This post was edited by kallend on Aug 21, 2012, 1:04 PM)


roostnureye  (D 32166)

Aug 21, 2012, 2:27 PM
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How about a full face helmet with a retractable visor that dosent fog easily, low profile, with a small flat top where you can mount things. decent sized audible pockets. A visor lock that works with one hand. Real impact protection, Rated for multiple impacts. Tinted visors (irridium antiglare coatings) good airflow inside the helmet. UNDER $400!


pms07  (D 7571)

Aug 21, 2012, 3:51 PM
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How about a full face helmet with a retractable visor that dosent fog easily, low profile, with a small flat top where you can mount things. decent sized audible pockets. A visor lock that works with one hand. Real impact protection, Rated for multiple impacts. Tinted visors (irridium antiglare coatings) good airflow inside the helmet. UNDER $400!

+1


mccordia  (D 94775)

Aug 21, 2012, 5:30 PM
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Minimize drag by 1% so a 6th GoPro can be added on a 5ft extention poleTongue


chiron

Aug 21, 2012, 10:16 PM
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thanks guys the info has been really helpfull so far, as a conceptual thing would a helmet with a small scren built in to relay weather conditions / air pressure type things be helpfull, mainly directed to those of you who jump around cliffs where changes in pressure can be detrimental


ifell  (C 3591)

Aug 21, 2012, 10:45 PM
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See reply #1!


piisfish

Aug 22, 2012, 1:15 AM
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"we" would need an integrated TAWS Smile


bodypilot90  (D 24249)

Aug 22, 2012, 4:51 AM
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Hud display with GPS and altitude


The111  (D 29246)

Aug 22, 2012, 9:40 AM
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In reply to:
thanks guys the info has been really helpfull so far, as a conceptual thing would a helmet with a small scren built in to relay weather conditions / air pressure type things be helpfull, mainly directed to those of you who jump around cliffs where changes in pressure can be detrimental
If you are flying so close to a cliff that the air pressure matters, the last thing you need is to be focusing on something which is not the cliff.


LiborJanicek  (A 28574)

Aug 22, 2012, 10:39 AM
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a while ago I was thinking of the same idea and started this thread

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4349698;page=unread#unread

also photoshop'd the attached pic. the top helmet is a speed skiing or speed skateboard helmet and the other is a cycling helmet.

i'm going to work with my fiberglass guy and see what we can come up with.
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mccordia  (D 94775)

Aug 22, 2012, 10:51 AM
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Helmets that snag lines and break your neck on opening sound like a bad idea.
For most people the 1% decrease in drag will result in a smaller performance gain than a good 100 or more jumps of training will give you.


LiborJanicek  (A 28574)

Aug 22, 2012, 11:31 AM
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agree that the snag factor is huge problem. with a correct design such as having the helmet taper straight back and end with a square point might work. my point with these kind of helmets is not for the average flyer but for the competitors. At some point an advanced flyers skill set will get to a point where they'll look at other ways to increase performance.


dirtbox  (D 31759)

Aug 22, 2012, 12:05 PM
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http://www.bikeradar.com/...-first-look-33310/1/ (sorry If i didn't so the link they properly. Suitable for wing suits but super expensive (produced/engineered by the secret squirrel labs of british cycling and not really publicly available). Full impact protection (all cycling helmets must meet or exceed euro crash standards to be raced) but good luck getting one, even though all products used in the pro tour must be publicly available they really aren't ...


Zeemax

Aug 22, 2012, 12:40 PM
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hello everyone i am training to be an industrial designer and was wondering whether you as a community could help me and possibly yourselves in the future by sharing any and all problems you find with currently available helmets.

The problems I've had so far is not finding one pink enough Frown

Do you think you could help design a really pink one?


urowolf  (D 32182)

Aug 23, 2012, 6:06 AM
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How about having a device like Fly Sight built into the helmet. It could be designed for better GPS signal reception and have a built in audible and or visual feedback for vertical/horizontal speeds and glide ratios...Same with commonly used cameras.


lonedfx

Aug 25, 2012, 12:31 PM
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all problems you find with currently available helmets.

They dont' have integrated radio coms, and they don't have HUDs.


LiborJanicek  (A 28574)

Dec 7, 2012, 2:20 PM
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So I stopped by my fiberglass guy today to check up on my fiberglass race truck body and stated talking to him about an aerodynamic tracking/wingsuit helmet. He just designed a new Harley front faring which he placed on my head to get some ideas. With a lot of adjustment I think we'll get it dialed in.

Helmet will be set up so you can wear goggles equipped with Recon, flush mounted Fly-Sight, snag proof GoPro mounts, & internal audible pocket.

Might try and add in motorcycle helmet intercom headset & microphone.

FYI, I'm not going be flying this helmet, it's being built for a friend of mine who's attempting to break a wingsuit record.

This helmet will be designed and build by

http://www.motortrex.com/channels.php?channel=16

Let it rip...
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