Aug 16, 2012, 2:16 PM
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As an active Instructor, and one who has always learned from the experiences of others, I still find the opportunity, once in a while to remind people of the lesson from this tragedy, I'm fortunate enough to skydive in environments that let us punch complete cloud cover from time to time, and in coastal areas, I have never lost site of the lesson from this tragedy, even today in the age of GPS. I have found myself in situations many times in my Skydiving career when this tragedy has come to mind. Thanks to all who have led the way, RIP.
I remember well reading about that bad incident. while many things have improved re: drownings, we still had too many photographers drown, even after the danger was known. :(
Sep 11, 2012, 8:09 PM
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As an active Instructor, and one who has always learned from the experiences of others, I still find the opportunity, once in a while to remind people of the lesson from this tragedy, I'm fortunate enough to skydive in environments that let us punch complete cloud cover from time to time, and in coastal areas, I have never lost site of the lesson from this tragedy, even today in the age of GPS. I have found myself in situations many times in my Skydiving career when this tragedy has come to mind. Thanks to all who have led the way, RIP.
I have punched clouds on only two jumps, once in April, '73 at Elsinore and the other in southern Ilinois in April,'75. Neither episode was intentional (being back from the door in a twin beech, I had to rely upon the spotter!?). Both resulted in landings far from the DZ (No GPS back then). Elsinore also had sailplanes in operation and where do you think they are? Answer: Under the clouds where the lift is. So, the first thing I saw on opening was a Sailplane at 12 o'clock level doing a near-wingover to avoid flying into our opened mains. This could have had tragic results, and it would have been entirely our fault.
The other was a night jump over farm country. No one was hurt, but one jumper landed in power lines and blacked out a farm. I think we got lucky. Night landings beneath an overcast are interesting enough without wondering if that dark patch is a field or a pond.
Skydiving is a VFR activity and, even with GPS, there may be something down there that can kill you if you can't see it.
Nov 19, 2012, 2:12 AM
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I started jumping on Sept .* right afyer that. As advice of a Sky diver I met and said "Start as soon as possible as FAA will be cracking down on us". I did .
Nov 26, 2012, 10:22 AM
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Most of the guys got out of their gear. Norm Allard had put his altimaster ( altimeter) on his wrist, over the wrist bands of his 2 jumpsuits, and he got out of his gear, then got his jumpsuits off, but they were pinned to his wrist, and that is how they found him.
The last guy found, was my good friend Joe Malarik, who originated from Pittsburgh, Penna.
There weren't many boats on the lake due to the high winds, waves three feet high, and dark clouds, but one boat drove right around Al Omstead and they got a close up look at him, , and then drove away.
It was supposed that boater was either smuggling or out with someone elses wife and didnt need the publicity.
I have jumped in 100% cloud cover a few times as well. We would pss over where we thought the DZ was and the pilot would gun the engtie and then throttle back a few times. someone on the radio would tell the pilot that we were directly over the DZ and we would bail. We always managed to land on the air port. The B25 aircraft that the guys jumped from into Lake Erie was 16 miles north of the airport. The Radar operator had a blip over the field, but it was a Cessna 180 and he thought it was the B 25.
The second pass brought the B 25 over the field and the Cessna 180 had landed by that time. The two guys jumped from the B 25 on its second drop, and they landed on the airport, wondering where all the other jumpers were.
The pilot had given them a free jump for doing an air show, and he had chicken dinners awaiting for each man in the hangar.
Nov 30, 2012, 2:15 AM
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There were boats in the water but didnt help. If you arent familiar with the area Canadas border is close. The guys in the boats might have been illegally there. Not to incriminate them selves they did nothing. We had an incident north of there in Lake St Clair . The fisherman were asked why they didnt help the jumper on a cutaway. They said the bastard was scaring away the fish.
