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Swoop Training (90s)

 


Morav  (B 10806)

Jul 16, 2012, 6:37 AM
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Some landings I compiled in the last 50 skydives. Swoops are getting safer. Working on accuracy next.

http://www.youtube.com/...amp;feature=youtu.be


(This post was edited by Morav on Jul 16, 2012, 7:47 AM)


5.samadhi

Jul 16, 2012, 1:36 PM
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what happens with you and the fence if you have to abort your 90 left because you're too low?


voilsb  (D 30581)

Jul 16, 2012, 4:23 PM
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Hopefully absolutely nothing. He should be able to turn 90 degrees without losing any altitude at all since he's doing front riser approaches.


uberchris  (A License)

Jul 16, 2012, 5:16 PM
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flat turns in the event of an emergency i would think


dqpacker  (D 32043)

Jul 16, 2012, 6:00 PM
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In reply to:
Hopefully absolutely nothing. He should be able to turn 90 degrees without losing any altitude at all since he's doing front riser approaches.

???

to the op. just be smoother on your fronts.


JohnnyMarko

Jul 16, 2012, 6:22 PM
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Those are some sick swoops bro! Very far n fast!


voilsb  (D 30581)

Jul 16, 2012, 8:03 PM
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I've carved more than 90 degrees on landings multiple times. Since I didn't end up underground, I must not have lost any altitude.


5.samadhi

Jul 17, 2012, 3:38 AM
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well I think intentionally carving 90 degrees on a swoop and having to abort a swoop because you're too low are different things and take a different mindset.

Some of his swoops would have really scared me how low they were...but maybe I just scare easily under canopy Unsure


AdD  (D License)

Jul 17, 2012, 3:54 AM
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You would get more out of the 90's by doing double front hard, start turn by letting up right, lock in with harness and then finish on double front slowly letting up once on final. You will have to try it up high to figure out how much more altitude the turn will take.


dqpacker  (D 32043)

Jul 17, 2012, 6:18 AM
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I've carved more than 90 degrees on landings multiple times. Since I didn't end up underground, I must not have lost any altitude.

you are talking about once you have planed out. and i doubt you can carve more than 90 with your storm.


Morav  (B 10806)

Jul 17, 2012, 6:24 AM
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This is what I'm actually doing. I'm going to try and get more aggressive with it. I am finding the FR pressure builds very quickly on the Sabre2. I have landed a few times with really sore arms when I tried hanging on the FRs after initiating a higher turn than usual. Still I feel there's more work to be done to squeeze more performance out of the 90.


Willi91  (C 2309)

Jul 17, 2012, 8:45 AM
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I am no expert, and I don't have that much more jumps than you. But I've been told that a slower turn gives a longer recovery. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. And I also agree on what was said earlier about making it more smooth. Smoot input simply makes you swoop longer if done correctly :-)


jjudd  (D 31065)

Jul 18, 2012, 8:34 AM
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To the op like a few people have said less snapppy with the fronts especially letting off them. I remember flying the same canopy/ near same loading back around when I had 300 jumps and looking at old videos now it always seems so close to the ground compared to now when turns are much higher on different wings/loading. I think all of us lose some of that perspective as we have progressed to smaller wings and bigger turns and forget what a 90* turn at 350ft on a sabre 2 looks like.

Its a great canopy to get all you can from and I highly encourage you to do like you said and keep getting all you can from it and then move forward after. Get some coaching from a knowledgeable person with experience in person also, they will help you refine techniques and progress to the next level. Internet is a great tool but wont teach you what you need to learn to stay alive. coaching is a small price to have that knowledge that will let you go home to your family later in the day


Morav  (B 10806)

Jul 19, 2012, 7:27 AM
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I'm definitely getting advice from experienced jumpers, but like you said a Sabre flies differently than a HP small wing.


dharma1976  (D 28634)

Jul 20, 2012, 7:43 AM
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start with medium to deep brakes (play with this up high), feel the canopy surge forward, then move to double fronts, offset lock in with harness or with bringing outside arm into line with inside arm fly your fronts out (meaning dont just drop them) you will get a longer recovery arc. DO this up high or it will bite you in the ass.

Also experiment with longer risers.



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