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Neos 109 in V306

 


andreeb77  (D License)

Jul 10, 2012, 5:39 AM
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Hi Everyone!

Does anyone have experiences with the packing volume of a Neos 109? I jump a Micron V306 with an Optimum 126 reserve. Currently there's a XFire 109 in there.

UPT's sizing chart says a Neos doesn't fit into this combination. Can someone either confirm or deny this?

Thanks in advance!


piisfish

Jul 10, 2012, 6:09 AM
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my Neos 109 packs a little bigger than my ex Crossfire2 119, if that could be of any help.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jul 10, 2012, 6:48 AM
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In reply to:
UPT's sizing chart says a Neos doesn't fit into this combination. Can someone either confirm or deny this?


If the manufacture says it does not fit why would you go on line shopping a different opinion? UPT just might know what they are talking about.Crazy

Sparky


piisfish

Jul 10, 2012, 6:52 AM
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UPT just might know what they are talking about.Crazy

Sparky
how dare you LaughLaughLaugh


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jul 10, 2012, 6:56 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
UPT just might know what they are talking about.Crazy

Sparky
how dare you LaughLaughLaugh

Nicholas, I have been known to "dare" a lot of things. Wink But always in the interest of keeping people alive.

Sparky


andreeb77  (D License)

Jul 10, 2012, 7:10 AM
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If the manufacture says it does not fit why would you go on line shopping a different opinion? UPT just might know what they are talking about.Crazy

...because UPT gives recommendations (at least I take them as such). E.g. they recommend standard fitting main canopies which does not mean that a size smaller or bigger does not fit. It might just not be too convenient to pack (in reasonable limits, of course).


DaVinciflies

Jul 10, 2012, 7:33 AM
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If the manufacture says it does not fit why would you go on line shopping a different opinion? UPT just might know what they are talking about.Crazy

...because UPT gives recommendations (at least I take them as such). E.g. they recommend standard fitting main canopies which does not mean that a size smaller or bigger does not fit. It might just not be too convenient to pack (in reasonable limits, of course).

Overstuffed rigs have been linked to delayed reserve deployments. Is that a risk you want to take?


andreeb77  (D License)

Jul 10, 2012, 9:04 AM
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Nope.... That's why I ask.


virgin-burner

Jul 10, 2012, 10:56 AM
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In reply to:
my Neos 109 packs a little bigger than my ex Crossfire2 119, if that could be of any help.

and UPT says only an XF2 109 will fit in a v306, the neos packs bigger, hence it would be out of limits..


andreeb77  (D License)

Jul 10, 2012, 12:17 PM
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Actually UPT says that a Xfire 119 fits in (as standard fitting ). Hence my question.


virgin-burner

Jul 10, 2012, 12:36 PM
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Actually UPT says that a Xfire 119 fits in (as standard fitting ). Hence my question.

a safire2 119 is a pretty tight fit as it is anyway..


(This post was edited by virgin-burner on Jul 10, 2012, 12:38 PM)


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jul 10, 2012, 2:19 PM
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In reply to:
If the manufacture says it does not fit why would you go on line shopping a different opinion? UPT just might know what they are talking about.Crazy

...because UPT gives recommendations (at least I take them as such). E.g. they recommend standard fitting main canopies which does not mean that a size smaller or bigger does not fit. It might just not be too convenient to pack (in reasonable limits, of course).

This is what they say.


Recommended Canopy Size

The pack volume represented by these sample groups should be considered maximum recommended pack volumes to ensure proper fit, function and ease of packing. Down sizing main and/or reserve canopy one size category is acceptable. It is not recommended to use larger reserve canopies than represented in the sample group.


And I still feel it is foolish not to follow the recommendations of the manufacture.

Sparky


Badabing

Jul 10, 2012, 4:48 PM
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The sizing chart that UPT has doesn't always include all possible combinations. At least in my experience.

So I think it's a good question.

Piis- do you think it packs like a 129 crossfire or a size in between a 119 or a 129?

I've been jumping 1 size to big with a crossfire (119 was standard fitting- I jumped a 129 which wasnt on the chart) and a vector for 400 jumps with one reserve ride. The rig didnt't feel as soft and comfy anymore, but it's doable.

Plus I asked UPT and they had no concerns and said to give it a go.. :)

Gre an den kleinen ;)


(This post was edited by Badabing on Jul 10, 2012, 5:07 PM)


craigbey  (C 31991)

Jul 10, 2012, 8:02 PM
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Demo a Neos 109 and find out for yourself...
http://www.para-concepts.com/...ndex.php?cPath=30_33

If it helps any, the 109 was a very tight fit in my V319 which comfortably holds a Samurai 120 and Xaos21-104. Not at the same time, of course.

I have a copy of the UPT sizing chart from 2009 and another from 2012. Interesting changes to many of the recommendations. Enough of a difference that I would not completely trust the chart alone.


stayhigh  (F 111)

Jul 10, 2012, 8:30 PM
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You can easily pack noes 109 into v306 bag.

Neos 109 packs little smaller than crossfire 119 or as big as 119.

It only has x-bracing in the center cell and and its small stabilizer does not add too much bulk.


andreeb77  (D License)

Jul 10, 2012, 10:31 PM
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Thanks for all the replies. I might give it a try with a demo canopy. I was in contact with Maria from Icarus. Rigger approval will be asked for before jumping it though.

@ badabing: Ich drck dem kleinen ein Stck Brot von dir in die Hand ;-)



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