Wouldn't that depend on what you want to get out of the suit/jumps? I am no expert but by looking at the suits it seems that X2 is "fatter" than V4 and I guess that would translate to more drag so less forward speed than the V4? Just seems like two completely different games to me. I like speed and distance so I would go for a V4! I think...
I agree. I am the proud owner of both suits, X2 21 jumps, V4 about 40. For me, and this may be personal, coming from other Phoenix-Fly suits, the V4 is way easier to fly. Precise movements to do transitions with others just work with this suit. Sharp, precise turns, dive and flare out, deploy... everything feels way easier and more natural with the V4. The X2 flies slower, seems to glide better (I get 70 seconds from 4K to 3K and know I am not at the limit yet). I (still) do not like to fly the X2 very much though and prefer the V4.
I have V4 but couple of weeks ago ordered X3. I always liked Phoenix products, and I agree that they are easier in piloting, but X2 and of course X3 MUCH powerful devices than any Phoenix wingsuit. If you intend jump at least 100-150 wingsuit jumps per year Tony will be best choise, if less I recommend V4 due to it's super easy piloting. Also, if you don't care about distance challenges and prefer flights in groups I think V4 will be more usefull. As for me, I'm seeking more power and ready to train a lot.
(This post was edited by mr_bird on Jul 6, 2012, 6:26 AM)
Ok have done a few base jumps with me in v4 and company in x2. On pretty much all jumps x2 did not go as steep (seems the bigger arms catch you sooner whereas little arms that are quiet swept back dont give you much to fight against the oversized tail and down you go) and therefore got flying a little faster less than 50ft between them. glide was about the same with x2 able to go a little further due to having the extra few ft of atl. At first we also thaught speed was about the same, but once i began to get in the groove and fly faster it was obvious x2 is the slower suit with my buddy commenting that the faster we went the harder it was for him to fly straight and had instability that he discribed as around the yaw axis. where the faster we went the more solid and stable i felt. by this stage the x2 was also opening around the same distance which leads me to belive at top speeds the v4 has the better glide we never went so fast that it ever adversly affected our distance. From what im seeing x2 type suits seem quicker and easier to exit with compareable handling and speed flown slow and obviously slower minimum speeds both vert and horizontal. but are at an exponentially increasing disadvantage the faster you go and more agressive you fly in all aspects handling glide and speed.
(This post was edited by imsparticus on Jul 6, 2012, 6:41 AM)
yes i know but i can have x2 cheaper than v4 (and sbird) that s why i ask. But i always want to have a Vampire and i think it s better for me after my phantom Thanks all, that confirm my choice... Red black V4!!!
(This post was edited by alygator on Jul 6, 2012, 2:43 PM)
It's of course the 1000 m window of the PPC, Paralog Performance Competition. And yes, 70 sec is not impressive. Although it was rather easy to achieve with the X2 on less than 15 flights experience with it. With the V4 I was not able to get this time. A lot has been said. I would like to add: When flying with S-Bird, R-Bird majority flocks with my Phantom 2 or Ghost 3 I always get the feeling that these suits fly slower. I have to fly dirty much more than when I fly with other Phantoms. So yes, Tony WS and Phoenix-Fly suits seem to have some differences by design and across the brand range.
And how does that work? Shouldn't the fastest win a race? I don't know how the scoring of the race works
The race has qualifiers, and than after that first round puts people up against each other in pairs. Elimination style from quarter, down to half and than real finals. Its drag racing where the results depend on a combination of sense of timing, technique and judging the right angle to fly the lowest required glide to finish at maximum speed (and still get the required minimum canopy time). Its one of the few (if not only) spectator sports that we as a wingsuit discipline seem to have that's really appealing to the public.
It will be fun to see what Jebs China version of WBR (with some turns in the track, and longer flying) bring to the sport.
To those guys who think that V4 fastest wingsuit ever. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vg2I8sejV8&feature=share
At 3:00 V4 vs Rebel (X3). Also pls see the points of deployments.
I saw the jump form the ground and have to say that it looks completely different from the top than from the ground. Espen was flying a bit lower and do therefore lookes a lot further back on the video, but standing on the ground I would not tell who was the winner as it was so close.