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Abedy  (D 10153)

Jun 29, 2012, 9:54 AM
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Found on youtube.
I'm just asking for opinions. No intention to put the finger at someone!
Soundtrack might be offensive to some folks due to explicit language in first song. If you don't like explicit language switch off sound before starting the vid.

(No, it's not me... Tongue)


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airtwardo  (D License)

Jun 29, 2012, 10:28 AM
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heads up Wink




I'll leave the cam-critique to the vidiots
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hchunter614  (B 30368)

Jun 29, 2012, 10:29 AM
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Are you refering to the landing pattern the video guy flew?


airtwardo  (D License)

Jun 29, 2012, 10:40 AM
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In reply to:
Are you referring to the landing pattern the video guy flew?

He came in downwind over the top, did a right turn in what looks to be a left pattern...but there's a LOT of chaos in that pattern.


Abedy  (D 10153)

Jun 29, 2012, 10:45 AM
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No, I was just asking opinions about the tandem jump Cool
Background: Newly minted TI, wanted to hear what others have to say.


JohnRich  (D License)

Jun 29, 2012, 11:42 AM
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I want my 4 minutes back.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Jun 29, 2012, 12:26 PM
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No, I was just asking opinions about the tandem jump Cool
Background: Newly minted TI, wanted to hear what others have to say.

I didn't see anything overly positive or negative with the tandem, but if that guy swooped me like he did the jumper under the blue canopy, the real show would have been in the middle of the landing area.


hchunter614  (B 30368)

Jun 29, 2012, 12:59 PM
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+1

He had plenty of outs and didn't need to make it back to that landing area, especially since he didn't even film the tandem landing.


Arvoitus  (D 3917)

Jun 29, 2012, 3:07 PM
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The videoguy should definitely get a camera that doesn't get confused over movement or stop using the motion sickness plugin in the video editing software.


muz  (D License)

Jun 29, 2012, 9:00 PM
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Circle of awareness?


gregpso  (Student)

Jun 30, 2012, 2:13 AM
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Circle of awareness?

plus 1 muz say hello to Don and Wokka and Louise for me


obelixtim  (D 84)

Jun 30, 2012, 4:10 AM
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 The TM might appreciate the vidiot staying in view during deployment, rather than have him disappear above him.

Not really that impressed with the vidiot under canopy.

The TM was OK, for a newbie.


RIGGER  (D 7933)

Jun 30, 2012, 4:34 AM
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Smile Hi

Few points for both the TI & the camera flyer.

TI:
1.No handles check at the door.
2.Reach for the drouge in a head down position.
3.Looks like NO drouge full deployment check.
4.No handles check + RSL after deploying the drouge.

Camera Flyer:
At tandem deployment time he/she went high above the tandem into the "Danger Zone" risking 3 persons by his/her action.Frown

A fatality happaned few years ago in the USA at this point - it looks "no issues" but the camera flyer can slide into the deployed canopy just like that.

Both the TI & the Camera Flyer needs education each one in his area.

Cheers


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pms07  (D 7571)

Jun 30, 2012, 6:13 AM
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In reply to:
...if that guy swooped me like he did the jumper under the blue canopy, the real show would have been in the middle of the landing area.

+1


DougH  (D License)

Jun 30, 2012, 4:29 PM
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X2.

Plus the landing pattern at the drop zone is an accident waiting to happen. I wouldn't be thrilled to be dropped in on like that!


Abedy  (D 10153)

Jul 1, 2012, 10:56 AM
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Thanks for the input, folks, especially to Shlomo. Goes with what I thought watching the vid but wanted to listen to others before - will tell 'em.


theonlyski  (D License)

Jul 2, 2012, 11:42 AM
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Just from my POV:

TI could've had more positive legs, there were times where the students legs were further out than his, the TI also basically had his legs on top of the student for a bit putting his legs in areas of little use. Had that student not kept his legs where they were, that could've gotten a little interesting before he fixed it.

No full handles check that I'm used to seeing/trained to do. I saw a main handle check, then what looked like was going to be a cutaway check when they started to turn, he stopped it and stopped his handle check with it. I think if he had been able to use his legs to counter the turn, he could've finished his handles check.

Instructors body position right at deployment doesn't look like it's setting him up for success.

I really don't wanna get started on the video guy..


Abedy  (D 10153)

Jul 2, 2012, 1:04 PM
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Robert, many thanks for your input.


wetrock

Jul 2, 2012, 5:28 PM
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The videoguy should definitely get a camera that doesn't get confused over movement or stop using the motion sickness plugin in the video editing software.
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+1


Halfpastniner  (D 30747)

Jul 2, 2012, 7:12 PM
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TI was ok, could stick the legs out more. Finish the post drouge handle check next time. Overall, not too bad.

Video was pretty good i thought. He did not appear to be in the danger zone to me on opening.

Landing patterns.....Yikes. OP, are we really supposed to be focusing on the Tandem? Because that near miss was much scarier to watch.

Nylon PylonsShocked


theonlyski  (D License)

Jul 3, 2012, 5:35 AM
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Because that near miss was much scarier to watch.

A hit would be a near miss

They nearly hit. Tongue


/georgecarlin


piisfish

Jul 3, 2012, 6:17 AM
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also when having a tandem videoed, the TM/TI should try to get the best light possible on the passenger/student in order to have a good video, and not a game of shades...

you learn that when you are the videoperson trying to get good footage, so when you transition to TM/TI, you start to be considerate with your co-workers, for the client's benefit Smile


speedy

Jul 3, 2012, 6:59 AM
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Video did not wait until the tandem canopy was open before pulling. If the tandem had a malfunction there would not have been a lot space between them.

Just my 2c worth.


Abedy  (D 10153)

Jul 3, 2012, 8:08 AM
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As I wrote, a newly minted TI. So "look into the sun" is nice, but...

OTOH, videots usually notice this and automatically move into the "right" position (hoping the TI will realise and follow suit Smile)


Abedy  (D 10153)

Jul 3, 2012, 8:11 AM
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In reply to:
...but if that guy swooped me like he did the jumper under the blue canopy, the real show would have been in the middle of the landing area.

You mean the guy with the red-and-white canopy? (BTW: Must have been another videot from a tandem that exited later, so he must have overtaken the first videot and the solo jumper who exited first...)


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