Dec 14, 2009, 7:50 AM
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Camp Lake Wisconsin
Can anyone share any and all info about Camp Lake Wisconsin (just over the Illinois border)?
I keep my airplane there and I built its hanger (2001) on the old pea gravel pit because it made a nice foundation base. There is a (long) packing table in the old hangers but its been buried for many years.
I understand Roger Nelson and his brother Carl made their first jumps there, but thats all I know about it as I jumped at Hebron Airport in Illinois in the old days.
Can't say that I remember that DZ but it's possible....I was back and forth between Milwaukee (Rainbow) and Bong AFB and Chicago in the late sixties, there were a few small DZ's in the area but dont' remember right now what they were...both were very close to the interstate just over the border and may have been the one you are trying to find....I'll put some thought into those and see if the brain remembers names...sometimes it takes awhile...
I first met Roger and Carl at Hinckley in1972 when Jim had Otters come from St. Louis. I thought they might have started there. Learn something every day.
I recall reading a book that I think was written by Nelson where he told the story of his Father taking him and his brother to Camp Lake for their first jump course. Thats all I really know. An old jump friend told me today that they think the guy who ran Camp Lake Skydivers was named Leon Summers.
The Pig Farm was in Bristol, Wisconsin just South of Kenosha as I remember it. Mostly a student mill, however, we used to jump there with a rotating 4-way competition - East Troy, Pig Farm, 7-Hills, Wisconsin Skydivers and I think another drop zone. This was sometime in the mid-80's. They had a Beaver that climbed real slow and you could carry on a conversation with the team that was on the step while your team was still inside...
Camp Lake - that is where one of the guys that jumped at East Troy used to live. I remember when I was on student status and all the student gear was stolen from East Troy. Mark, Gene & I drove out there to borrow some old army gear that I had to jump with to keep on making student jumps. I made one or two jumps with that gear and thought I was going to die for sure. We were so spoiled with the pop top reserves and smaller containers that held our PC's.
I can't remember his name for the life of me, but he was very short and later on had a stroke, but still came out to watch us skydive....someone out there knows who I am trying to remember! Help!
Aeropark I think you are thinking of Gabor. What a guy. The pig farm was full of good people. Hank Asutto and Jake Cramer, NASA, Joe Dog and his dog: Dog. I think Stoya's jumped there and Conny O'rourk. THen the place closed and most of them moved over to the place on Q (I think) then that place closed and became a untra light field. THis could all be wrong though, the 70 were hard on my brain.
Hey Jack, Hank, Jake, Joe Dog+dog and Ben Laycsak and myself all were there at one time, we moved out to Bong AFB just west of Kenosha and were operating out of a farmhouse flying a 180 leased from a guy in Chicago. Jim Stoyas and his main squeeze Helene Tozier were also around the Pig Farm, we drug Barb Prouty along with us and a few of her friends made first jumps at Bong...a guy named Mike Dollard as well. Most of us had been jumping/flying at Rainbow and it was just closer to get to Bong, we converted a chicken coop into a packing area and slept in there at night on the tables. Our local bar was the Mars Cheese Castle out on the interstate. Our runway was a tree lined lane that eventually opened up onto the open area, I can remember taking off and seeing trees about ten feet off each wingtip till you got in the clear. Fun days for sure.. I remember Stoyas slamming into the roof of the barn at the PigFarm and sliding off, hitting the roof of an attached lean to shed and hitting the ground, groaning, "My leg, my leg, oohhh, my arm" neither of which were broken but severely bruised, he was trying to avoid the power lines on the road next to the farm.
(This post was edited by lodestar on Dec 17, 2009, 3:20 PM)
Wow, glad to see I'm not the only one around (they're dropping like flies) from that era and thanks everyone for the memories.
I also jumped at Pigfarm in Bristol (Run by Rich Winfield and Frank ??? long Polish name. I lived about 3 doors down from Frank and would visit him often. I speak with Rich on occasion and he lives in Missouri.
Made a few in the 70's at East Troy and of course Hebron was my home base as I operated it from 74 to 76, but jumped there before and after until it closed in 1985.
I even made a few at Rainbow Airport in Franklin, WI and I think it was managed for a larger company out east by a guy named Bob Young. We used a Cessna 195 there.
Jim Stoyas floated around several DZ's but made Heborn his home in the early 80's as he is the one who purchased our AN-2. His last jump at Hebron in 1982 was a real tragedy (I was the pilot) and Gabe did pass away last year. I jump now at East Troy in the Summer and he was a regular spectator in his final years (I think he was a stroke victim).
Any other memories? keep 'em coming.
(This post was edited by captain1976 on Dec 17, 2009, 4:49 PM)
Thanks, Jack! Gabe was such a great guy. I made quite a few jumps at Bristol Pig farm in the early to mid 80's. Took my JM certification there, too. I remember Barney and a couple other guys (whose names escape me right now) as well as Laurie and many others.
Nope, can't really say I remember that particular one....I left for zhills in may of 69 so it may have been after that.... I do remember though, Laycsak, Hank and myself making up pipe bombs with reloading powder and trying to blow holes in those big tanks on the north side of the field. We also were into guns and did quite a bit of shooting around there in the off times. Ben laycsak, Donley, Hank and Joe dog somehow got wind of some national guard training going on and replete with face camo and loaded weapons took it upon ourselves to do a counter action and try and capture a few of them...it turned into a mexican standoff with all of us retreating with our nuts intact, all but Dollard who had the misfortune to end up hitchhiking back to the farm and got picked up by a sheriff who had responded to the Nat. Guards call of armed assailants....as I recall, the next day we were visited by the local gendarms and questioned but we just denied everything and because none of the guard had a good look at us, we got away with it.....we did remain chaste for the next few weeks though....
I do remember though, Laycsak, Hank and myself making up pipe bombs with reloading powder and trying to blow holes in those big tanks on the north side of the field. We also were into guns and did quite a bit of shooting around there in the off times. Ben laycsak, Donley, Hank and Joe dog somehow got wind of some national guard training going on and replete with face camo and loaded weapons took it upon ourselves to do a counter action and try and capture a few of them...it turned into a mexican standoff with all of us retreating with our nuts intact, all but Dollard who had the misfortune to end up hitchhiking back to the farm and got picked up by a sheriff who had responded to the Nat. Guards call of armed assailants....as I recall, the next day we were visited by the local gendarms and questioned but we just denied everything and because none of the guard had a good look at us, we got away with it.....we did remain chaste for the next few weeks though.... Love stories about the old days with noise makers. We didn't make pipe bombs at Hebron rather we had simulated land mines and some real hand grenades. Since there were several reservists at our DZ, Sunday afternoons got interesting.
Though we were out in the country, one time the cops showed up. Of course nobody knew nothing and the report must have been a false, but after that one of us would get in the plane and scout out the area.
A couple times we radioed the ground base station and warned of cops coming. One time the cops showed up all the jumpers were in the packing shed on their knees listening to a so-called sermon by a staged preacher. Great Memories
Frank - mighta been Polish, but signed my logbook with Russian-spelled name, "Trkovsky", and I learned a lot of rigging from him, . . . and, of course, from Master FU, Steve Givens, bless that man for his patience. Could go on & on with names - this trip all started for me in Fedo's basement, Bob Federman that is. I'd really like to know what happened to all those wonderful players - some Hinckley, some PigFarmers, some Hebronites -> Works, Bohr, Bomber (Baum), Dirty Mary, Rick Hill, Barney, Hot Dog, Capt Ziglo, Scum Peplinski, Major Bruce Long, and baseman Carl Shepard. If have info, lemme know, tx.
Bohr's dead, shot himself accidentally. Fedo is around Rockford area. Pat posts on http://www.facebook.com/groups/28649069239/
Thats facebook: Oldschoolskydiving. He just put a big story on about Hinkley. Some pics on there of Givens, Bohr , Helen at Rainbow sitting on the 196. If you page back a few days. Do the names, stories. That's what this is for. Otherwise it gets lost forever.