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Quagmirian  (A 110392)

Jun 8, 2012, 4:06 PM
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I'm sure this has been posted before, I'm just not sure what I'm looking at here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGcxegx8Z34

Forget the student, there seems to be something odd about the instructor's reserve handle. It can be seen most clearly by pausing at 1:15 in the video. Is this some style of handle that I haven't seen before?


Premier NWFlyer  (D License)

Jun 8, 2012, 4:15 PM
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It does look to be working its way loose from its pocket.


peek  (D 8884)

Jun 8, 2012, 4:17 PM
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I'm sure this has been posted before, I'm just not sure what I'm looking at here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGcxegx8Z34

What a coincidence, I don't know what I'm looking at either when I see that video.

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Forget the student, there seems to be something odd about the instructor's reserve handle. It can be seen most clearly by pausing at 1:15 in the video. Is this some style of handle that I haven't seen before?

The reserve handle is installed backwards. It is interesting to note that I find more people all the time that think the small side gets inserted into the webbing. Inserting the large side is very snug, so they insert the side that is easy.

It's like they don't understand the concept of it being more resistant to being snagged with the small side out.

I had a rather experienced jumper several years ago that always installed his backwards, and told me that the manufacturer (or perhaps a gear dealer) told him that was the correct way.

I did my own contacting of the manufacturer and cleared that up!

Does anyone RTFM? Or look at the pictures in them?


(This post was edited by peek on Jun 8, 2012, 4:19 PM)


Quagmirian  (A 110392)

Jun 8, 2012, 4:25 PM
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Ahh ok. I made this mistake and learned on my first jump course. When we were practicing with cutaway vests, without any foreknowledge I assumed that the handle went little side in.


peek  (D 8884)

Jun 8, 2012, 4:33 PM
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Ahh ok. I made this mistake and learned on my first jump course. When we were practicing with cutaway vests, without any foreknowledge I assumed that the handle went little side in.

That's OK, you wouldn't know that with so few jumps. I have seen a number of first jump students do that too while practicing in a harness.

Any harshness in that RTFM statement would be directed at a rig owner that didn't know after many jumps.


(This post was edited by peek on Jun 8, 2012, 4:35 PM)


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Jun 8, 2012, 10:01 PM
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Does anyone RTFM? Or look at the pictures in them?


Gary,

It would appear not. And then, as in this video they go on become instructors passing on their lack of knowledge. Unsure

Sparky


sundevil777  (D License)

Jun 8, 2012, 10:19 PM
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I hadn't considered that anyone would install a handle like that. Fools can be ingenious and all that...

Another thing I noticed is that the student's rig has a grommet visible on a reserve flap, as if the reserve container is overstuffed and/or too long of a loop has been used. I would not think any container would be considered OK when the grommet is exposed - the closing loop is exposed. Perhaps I'm not seeing it correctly, what do y'all think?


DougH  (D License)

Jun 9, 2012, 3:52 AM
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That is some stupid shit! Reserve handle looks like hell, ghetto camera setup, no actual step on the landing gear.


Andy9o8  (D License)

Jun 9, 2012, 5:19 AM
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That is some stupid shit! Reserve handle looks like hell, ghetto camera setup, no actual step on the landing gear.

And yes, the reserve grommet was exposed.

That student didn't chicken out; chickens are stupid. The smartest thing anyone on that plane did was the student refusing to jump.


obelixtim  (D 84)

Jun 9, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Does anyone RTFM? Or look at the pictures in them?


Gary,

It would appear not. And then, as in this video they go on become instructors passing on their lack of knowledge. Unsure

Sparky

+1. How do some people get ratings?.

Why did he hang around so long outside the A/C ?.

As Andy pointed out, she prolly did the smart thing if what we saw were "expert" instructors.....


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Jun 10, 2012, 9:55 AM
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Wow, for the INSTRUCTOR to have their handle in backwards . . .Crazy

I bet THAT'S what scared the student so badly.Laugh

I haven't done Cessna AFF in 25+ years, but on a solo instructor jump, shouldn't you be controlling the student physically as they climb out?


councilman24  (D 8631)

Jun 10, 2012, 3:51 PM
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About 30% of the pilot rigs I get to pack have the handle in backwards. They're excused, unless I've told them once before.Mad And I've seen plenty of skydiver rigs like that over the years.


MikeJD  (D 10605)

Jun 15, 2012, 4:54 AM
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I don't think it would ever have occurred to me to insert the handle backwards, even as a newbie. Most handles that have a similar tapered shape - suitcase handles, some drawer handles - are fixed at the wider end and invite you to pull on the narrower end.

Close examination of the student jumpsuit (and a bit of Googling) suggests this is at Skydive Cuautla in Mexico. Not somewhere I'm planning to jump any time soon!



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