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jlevin  (D 22602)

Jun 6, 2012, 9:00 AM
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Can anyone here help me find illustrations of how the FS-4 dive pool?

I have found Team Fastrax's illustrations of the blocks at http://teamfastrax.com/4way.html, but I can't seem to find anything similar for the randoms. The stamped pictures from the official dive pool don't show how you'd typically do a formation and who is in what position...

Thanks in advance.


labrys  (D 29848)

Jun 6, 2012, 11:43 AM
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The iPhone app does this:

http://itunes.apple.com/...ves/id321089511?mt=8


OwenB  (C License)

Jun 6, 2012, 12:58 PM
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Heya, here is the fastrax randoms hope that helps

http://db.tt/ZPhYULr9


jlevin  (D 22602)

Jun 6, 2012, 1:13 PM
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Heya, here is the fastrax randoms hope that helps

http://db.tt/ZPhYULr9
Thanks a lot!

That's exactly what I was looking for.


(This post was edited by jlevin on Jun 6, 2012, 1:14 PM)


jlevin  (D 22602)

Jun 6, 2012, 1:19 PM
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In reply to:
Thanks for the tip. The app does show who is in what position, but it still draws all jumbers boxed out and not in a realistic position. For example when doing "L" the tail usually stays to the IC's left as in Fastrax's pdf and not straight behind him as shown in the app and the official documents.

The app is still worth $1, though. Smile


jtiflyer  (D 27430)

Jun 6, 2012, 1:53 PM
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actually there are a couple of different "L"s IIRC


HHypoxic

Jun 6, 2012, 4:50 PM
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Go to the official source: http://www.fai.org/ipc-documents

Then follow this trail: Sporting Code and Competition>Formation Skydiving>Formation Skydiving Rules 2012

This will let you open a 22 page PDF where the last 7 pages show all the blocks and randoms for both 4way and 8way.


rehmwa  (D 12816)

Jun 6, 2012, 7:11 PM
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FAI source is official, but the OP wanted to see the cheats and get a continuity plan. FAI pdf just doesn't give a standard plan.


Joellercoaster  (D 105792)

Jun 7, 2012, 5:05 AM
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In reply to:
actually there are a couple of different "L"s IIRC

Potentially many, but I can think of 3 [edit: particularly] useful ones Angelic


(This post was edited by Joellercoaster on Jun 7, 2012, 5:06 AM)


rehmwa  (D 12816)

Jun 7, 2012, 7:17 AM
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In reply to:
actually there are a couple of different "L"s IIRC

Potentially many, but I can think of 3 [edit: particularly] useful ones Angelic

L's = we've used 3 of the (at least 16) variations (not counting those that come from slot switchers)


- OC outfacing (Point cats the OC) is our most common
- OC cats on the Tail (the other end of it) seems to be more useful even and I'm coming to prefer that one (IMO)
- the zigzag version (OC presents the sidebody to IC) is uncomfortable for very new teams and I don't recommend it unless all 4 teammates are really solid and comfy with alternate builds


We're flexible on the build for L, B (bunches), N, 22 (doesn't really count since our alternate option is simply the B slots - even on a repeater), 9 (lots of options on 9)
sometimes C,
we used to do the wrapped up Q on occasion, but it just slowed the random work up so we stopped that


Seems that 15 should allow options but it never really came up in any draw.....


I try not to get too clever (that opinion is result of experience Angelic) - rarely do you get something for nothing - a shorter move of one guy will result in a bigger move for someone later in the page or even in that transition. But when you do, it's usually blatantly obvious (example 6-N-M) - so then the trade off is will the non-standard build cause teammates to hesitate vs can EVERYBODY handle it.

What's the point of saving a second on paper, when, during the dive, just one guy freezes up from seeing something unfamiliar and has to recover?



here's a fun one for Intermediate: 9-7 (it can be engineered such that each random transition requires no one to make more than a 90, usually the other two people don't even move). IMO - it's also a recipe for disaster unless all 4 people have steel traps for brains....


(This post was edited by rehmwa on Jun 7, 2012, 7:22 AM)


StreetScooby

Jun 7, 2012, 12:11 PM
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In reply to:
http://db.tt/ZPhYULr9

Link doesn't work for me...
Is there another one around?


Joellercoaster  (D 105792)

Jun 8, 2012, 12:33 AM
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In reply to:
we used to do the wrapped up Q on occasion, but it just slowed the random work up so we stopped that

It could just be me, but curly Q seems to have gone out of fashion. Are people just finding it too much hassle? Or am I just not watching enough 4-way the last couple of years?


Skydivesg  (D 10938)

Jun 8, 2012, 7:29 AM
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I really like the animated colored blocks on the Fast Trax site.

Is there a way to download those so they will play on a laptop or Ipad?

I would like to have them for when I organize at DZs with limited or no internet.


StreetScooby

Jun 8, 2012, 12:07 PM
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Where is the FastTrax site?


rehmwa  (D 12816)

Jun 8, 2012, 12:15 PM
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In reply to:
Where is the FastTrax site?

http://teamfastrax.org/4way.html


Skydivesg  (D 10938)

Jun 8, 2012, 12:18 PM
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In reply to:
Where is the FastTrax site?

http://www.teamfastrax.com


StreetScooby

Jun 8, 2012, 12:58 PM
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Thank you rehmwa and Skydivesg!


OwenB  (C License)

Jun 18, 2012, 3:08 AM
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Dropbox link for fastrax randoms, blocks and FAI FS 2012 rules.

Please note block 1 and 13 are wrong.
1 should be - snowflake-inter-snowflake
13 should be - offset-inter-spinner

Hopefully this work!

https://www.dropbox.com/...e057pzlqk/8PEWuAhUd8


StreetScooby

Jun 18, 2012, 1:58 PM
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That worked! Thanks!



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