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Juz  (C 110096)

Apr 24, 2012, 7:38 AM
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http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/risk/sports.html

I cannot access the USPA stuff so cannot comment on accuracy/validity.

Juz


mobbik

Apr 24, 2012, 7:40 AM
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http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/...oth/risk/sports.html


jwalbright  (Student)

Apr 24, 2012, 7:45 AM
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7 people died playing table teniss? Those germans must have crazy rules.


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Apr 24, 2012, 7:45 AM
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7 people died in Germany in a ten year period playing table tennis? Wtf?


shropshire  (C License)

Apr 24, 2012, 8:03 AM
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7 people died in Germany in a ten year period playing table tennis? Wtf?


Table tennis is a sloooooooooow death.


Bolas  (D License)

Apr 24, 2012, 8:07 AM
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Inconsistent data as can't compare people in a sport to number of times doing an activity.


Bolas  (D License)

Apr 24, 2012, 8:10 AM
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7 people died in Germany in a ten year period playing table tennis? Wtf?


Table tennis is a sloooooooooow death.

Not always... Tongue
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skydived19006  (D 19006)

Apr 24, 2012, 8:53 AM
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Inconsistent data as can't compare people in a sport to number of times doing an activity.

I enjoy telling folks that skydiving is safer than fishing. Around 3000 folks die in the US every year by drowning, which I conveniently classify as "fishing" deaths. I generally will give a disclaimer regarding the number of participants. Seriously, people do tend to underestimate the danger involved with water, and especially if the water is cold. Maybe somewhat obvious since 3000 folks die each year in this country. Even in Kansas, people die every Memorial, Independence, and Labor Day weekend in drowning accidents.


DrewEckhardt  (D 28461)

Apr 24, 2012, 11:37 AM
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http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/risk/sports.html

I cannot access the USPA stuff so cannot comment on accuracy/validity.

Juz

I like the chart which shows that eating fast food (heart disease) was more dangerous than BASE jumping in the US circa 2002.


hub1100  (C 41319)

Apr 24, 2012, 12:22 PM
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Inconsistent data as can't compare people in a sport to number of times doing an activity.

I completely agree with this view;
-especially since this data is compiled every year and not used in that fashion. (random years used)
-especially since the data is 'rate against population' not rate against safe occurrences.

Buford Montana, USA is for sale, the entire town. With a population of ONE. You can make any statistics you want.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/...-for-100k.aspx#page1


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robinheid  (D 5533)

Apr 24, 2012, 5:34 PM
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Inconsistent data as can't compare people in a sport to number of times doing an activity.

I enjoy telling folks that skydiving is safer than fishing. Around 3000 folks die in the US every year by drowning, which I conveniently classify as "fishing" deaths. I generally will give a disclaimer regarding the number of participants. Seriously, people do tend to underestimate the danger involved with water, and especially if the water is cold. Maybe somewhat obvious since 3000 folks die each year in this country. Even in Kansas, people die every Memorial, Independence, and Labor Day weekend in drowning accidents.

LOL... every year in Yosemite more people die from drowning than have died in BASE jumping accidents there in all years since 1978 combined -- but then, government wankers never have been very good at math -- or common sense.

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popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Apr 26, 2012, 1:57 AM
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7 people died in Germany in a ten year period playing table tennis? Wtf?

They pinged when they should have ponged?

Ping Pong must be a contact sport in Germany. Either that, or there as some awful sore losers there.


skydived19006  (D 19006)

Apr 26, 2012, 6:21 AM
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7 people died in Germany in a ten year period playing table tennis? Wtf?

They pinged when they should have ponged?

Ping Pong must be a contact sport in Germany. Either that, or there as some awful sore losers there.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/provincialelitist/hardcore-ping-pong-death-match-4t5


Namowal  (A 63059)

Apr 29, 2012, 3:54 PM
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7 people died in Germany in a ten year period playing table tennis? Wtf?

According to this cartoon clip, it's risky stuff...Tongue

Ping Pong


Sky_doggy  (C 41295)

Apr 29, 2012, 4:18 PM
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Does anyone have a theory why the skydiving accident rate in Sweden seems better than the US?


oldwomanc6

Apr 29, 2012, 4:23 PM
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Does anyone have a theory why the skydiving accident rate in Sweden seems better than the US?

Well, maybe they make more nekkid jumps there! According to Sansuit, there has never been a nude skydiving fatality Angelic


Sky_doggy  (C 41295)

Apr 29, 2012, 4:33 PM
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If I started jumping nekkid I am pretty sure there would be more fatalies on the ground.

Why? 'coz people would look up and say "oh my god, that's 'orribe" and then have a coranary. Smile


oldwomanc6

Apr 29, 2012, 4:36 PM
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If I started jumping nekkid I am pretty sure there would be more fatalies on the ground.

Why? 'coz people would look up and say "oh my god, that's 'orribe" and then have a coranary. Smile

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climber71

May 11, 2012, 3:52 AM
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Tell people skydiving is safer than driving a car or crossing the street, but they still say skydiving is dangerous. Now just smile and walk away. Kind of like spitting into the wind.


Hellis

May 11, 2012, 5:24 AM
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You can read about it in Anton Westman's report.
It's a few years old now, but it's still a good read.

I believe there is a thread about his work too.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

May 11, 2012, 8:52 AM
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Tell people skydiving is safer than driving a car or crossing the street, but they still say skydiving is dangerous. Now just smile and walk away. Kind of like spitting into the wind.
Ask yourself how many jumpers you've known that have died jumping. Then ask yourself how many jumpers you've known have died in car accidents. For me, my first number was waaay bigger.Unsure

It could be just that skydivers are really, really good drivers. Smile

The stat of there being over 2 million jumpers in the USA? They're obviously counting one-time tandem jumpers, which, luckily, are the minority of fatalities. Compare number of deaths/year with estimated number of active jumpers and the stats are not so cheerful. Unsure


mjosparky  (D 5476)

May 11, 2012, 1:20 PM
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Seriously, people do tend to underestimate the danger involved with water, and especially if the water is cold.

People usually underestimate the danger of any activity they are involved in. It’s called a “mental defense mechanism”.

Sparky


skydived19006  (D 19006)

May 11, 2012, 1:32 PM
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Seriously, people do tend to underestimate the danger involved with water, and especially if the water is cold.

People usually underestimate the danger of any activity they are involved in. It’s called a “mental defense mechanism”.

Sparky

And conversely, those who aren't involved tend to overestimate the danger involved. It's called a "pussy defense mechanism?"


bochen280

May 11, 2012, 2:16 PM
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Tell people skydiving is safer than driving a car or crossing the street, but they still say skydiving is dangerous. Now just smile and walk away. Kind of like spitting into the wind.

I've been walking for close to 26 years and driving a car close to 10... never got hurt before until first tandem skydiving... and I've done a lot of walking and a heck of a lot more driving than most people.

Skydiving safer than driving a car or crossing the street? Not for me it sure wasn't.. That statistic doesn't even seem logical. If everyone who was capable of crossing a street or driving a car were also compelled to skydive (which would be ending up like a majority of the population) we'd see death statistics left and right and the sport would be shutdown in less than a year. It would be interesting to compare AFF student vs driving school student injury/accident/death statistics... From a percentage standpoint I'm certain far fewer people got killed learning to walk across a street than skydiving.


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skydived19006  (D 19006)

May 11, 2012, 2:35 PM
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Tell people skydiving is safer than driving a car or crossing the street, but they still say skydiving is dangerous. Now just smile and walk away. Kind of like spitting into the wind.

I've been walking for close to 26 years and driving a car close to 10... never got hurt before until first tandem skydiving... and I've done a lot of walking and a heck of a lot more driving than most people.

Skydiving safer than driving a car or crossing the street? Not for me it sure wasn't.. That statistic doesn't even seem logical. If everyone who was capable of crossing a street or driving a car were also compelled to skydive (which would be ending up like a majority of the population) we'd see death statistics left and right and the sport would be shutdown in less than a year. It would be interesting to compare AFF student vs driving school student injury/accident/death statistics... From a percentage standpoint I'm certain far fewer people got killed learning to walk across a street than skydiving.

Your logic goes south when you indicate that skydiving would be shut down if more folks participated. Lots of people go play in the water, and every single holiday weekend in Kansas people die at the lake (I'm sure this is true of every state where folks boat and swim). By your logic, boating, swimming, and fishing would be shut down due to the obvious danger. Ironically, people let their small children boat, swim, and fish. Commercial fisherman is the most deadly occupation in the US, why do we allow people to fish?!?!?!

The reason is is a combination of perception, and bull shit. There's lots of BS contained in my, and other posts above this one. I think that surely we can all agree on that point!


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