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Rubber Stamp for Log Book Signature

 


nakedfool  (C License)

Apr 13, 2012, 12:38 PM
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Hi all,
If I have a rubber stamp made with my signature and license number, does it count for a signature in other people's log books? i can't see why not, but just curious...


hub1100  (C 41319)

Apr 13, 2012, 1:08 PM
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In the USA:

By statute in every state - signature stamps are valid. You can read more about this concept in a legal encyclopedia such as 80 Corpus Juris Secundum, Signatures, sections 2 through 7.

Even the IRS accepts a signature stamp on a 1040 tax return.

Although someone could (and they do) make a signature stamp to sign a particular document - there are civil and criminal liabilties for doing such - forgery.
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My question to you would be; Isnt it easier to use their pen to sign, even initial, a jump log than pull out a stamp pad?
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Im NOT an attorney but know first hand that a facsimile and stamped signature is legal valid.


ManagingPrime

Apr 13, 2012, 1:11 PM
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Stamp away.Smile

In the paper world you can stamp, scratch, hand sign, provide a thumbprint, whatever.

In the end a signature is just, "A mark or sign made by an individual on an instrument or document to signify knowledge, approval, acceptance, or obligation."


nakedfool  (C License)

Apr 13, 2012, 1:21 PM
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Re: [hub1100] Rubber Stamp for Log Book Signature [In reply to] Can't Post

it could be extremely useful when a friend loses a log book and i don't want to sign something 800 times...


ManagingPrime

Apr 13, 2012, 1:24 PM
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In reply to:
it could be extremely useful when a friend loses a log book and i don't want to sign something 800 times...

There's good money in robo-signing....Wink


devildog  (C 40302)

Apr 13, 2012, 1:35 PM
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Re: [hub1100] Rubber Stamp for Log Book Signature [In reply to] Can't Post

In reply to:

My question to you would be; Isnt it easier to use their pen to sign, even initial, a jump log than pull out a stamp pad?

Not always. The logs in my book at my home DZ has a number of rubber stamp sigs because the two owners have stamps. So, at the end of the day, if I've got a handful of jumps that need sigs, its easy to have them go *stamp* *stamp* *stamp* *stamp* after I pay. Granted, not all, or even most, of my jumps are signed with a stamp, but a good number are.


GLIDEANGLE  (D 30292)

Apr 13, 2012, 2:19 PM
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Re: [nakedfool] Rubber Stamp for Log Book Signature [In reply to] Can't Post

I have taken a slightly different approach. I have a stamp with my name, license #, and rating. So I can sign a document, and then stamp with those details.

I don't use it for all logbooks that I sign, but if I want to make it more likely that something will be accepted by another dropzone, I will use the stamp with my signature, as it makes it real clear who signed it and what kind of rating I hold.

Examples of when I am likely to use it is when signing a rating proficiency card for a pre-requsite element, or a the logbook of a visiting student (who will take the logbook back to their home DZ to finish their license).


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Apr 13, 2012, 5:54 PM
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Food for thought:

From the SIM:
2. Jumps for license and rating qualifications must be
signed by another licensed skydiver, a pilot, or a USPA
National or FAI Judge who witnessed the jump.
3. Jumps to meet skill requirements must be signed by a
USPA Instructor, Instructor Examiner, Safety &
Training Advisor, or a member of the USPA Board of
Directors.

4. Signature Verification: Applications for all licenses
must be signed by an appropriate official (as listed in
this Section) before the application is forwarded to
USPA Headquarters.

a. The completed A license Proficiency Card signed
by the certifying USPA Instructor and bearing the
official A-license stamp, is proof of a USPA A
license.

...and other similar indicators.

No mention on the acceptability of rubber stamps in place of real signatures.


hub1100  (C 41319)

Apr 14, 2012, 11:15 AM
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This situation makes total sense to me. A recognized DZO, JM, Pilots and D's would sign/ verify a lot of jumpers.

BUT a C ? Really. Hundreds? Tell your friend with the 'lost book' the start a new book.
Be responsible, record forgery IS A CRIME, and deadly dangerous in out sport.
You are not covered by the DZ's waivers!

per OUR SIM Part 2: WITNESSED the jump.


(This post was edited by hub1100 on Apr 14, 2012, 1:22 PM)



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