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Premier faulknerwn  (D 17441)
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Mar 17, 2012, 11:52 AM
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I'm still trying to get my Nikon D7000 to work well for me in free fall. I put a Tokina 11-16 on it today. Worked great and got gorgeous photos the first jump. Second jump photos were dark and it stopped shooting halfway through and all the pictures were full of noise it appeared - even though the iso was only 200.. There were lots of black dots in the picture and they weren't on the lens. Went away by the landing shots. Nice sunny day with some white puffs..

I had it in shutter priority mode. 1/640 CH mode for shooting. 6 fps. Sunny White Balance. AF-C ISO 200.

And the settings were the exact same for both jumps which were 10 minutes apart! I'm so confused as to what is happening!!! Both jumps were in focus..

I'm gonna try sports mode next time to see if it helps anything but if anyone has any clue I'm in.

Had this problem last week on the kit 18-105 but thought a wide angle lens would be better.

The Tokina lens did take gorgeous pictures on the first jump..

Any ideas as to what could be happening?


linestretch  (D 21060)

Mar 17, 2012, 2:09 PM
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How's the humidity? Is it high where you're at?

I would say the first problem is that it's a nikon! Just kidding...that's all I had.


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Mar 17, 2012, 2:33 PM
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Next jump I went up with it in sports mode. Great pics but cut off 1/3 way through skydive. Interesting enough it chose to shoot at ISo 400 and 1/1600 shutter speed


Taped the half a coozie around it an gaffers it to hell and went up with my original settings - worked the whole freefall but still had a lot of noise in the pictures that didn't exist in sports mode

Gonna do the next jump in sports mode and see if I keep the artifacts out and what settings it chooses and then maybe choose its shutter speed


gowlerk  (C 3196)

Mar 18, 2012, 7:32 AM
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Hi Wendy,
I don't know what is causing your problem. But you should know that "sports mode" is designed to freeze action. That's is why it boosted the ISO and the put the shutter speed so high. It probably also opened the aperture up all the way. Of course noise is usually caused by high ISOs, but not 400. You won't be able to choose shutter speed in sports mode. Most settings are taken away from you when you use the "special" modes, they are designed for people who can't be bothered to learn how to use their camera.

Pics being cutoff partway through the dive could be a card problem, try a different card, maybe take out card two and try it. Your Tokina may be having auto focus problems. It could be stopping while it hunts for focus. If you are using auto focus try manual, it will speed up the frame rate. I see you are using AF-C, this should work if you are pointed at what you want to shoot when you start, but AF-A may work better. The AF system is pretty smart.

You are best off to start off using the P mode. These are daylight shots, and your camera should handle them no problem at whatever ISO you choose, or auto ISO if you choose.

Read here for tons of info on this camera.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/...sers-guide/index.htm

This guy goes on and on about Nikon stuff. But it is a well layed out website. Lastly, there is always the possibility that there is an intermittent electrical problem inside the camera. Try cleaning the lens contacts.

Good luck
Ken


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Mar 18, 2012, 8:56 AM
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I'll try the -a mode for autofocus. The lense coozie seemed to help it make it through the jump, although I'm still getting noise when I shoot in p mode - at least at 1/640 and 200 iso In sports mode I didn't get the noise

I absolutely Prefer to shoot shutter priority mode but at the moment sports mode is the only one not giving me noise in the picture.

Why I can't figure out. It is on autofocus but the pictures seem to all be in focus. I think it was wind vibration which caused te shutting off. I just can't figure out the noise issue.

It's very odd.

Thanks for any help.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Mar 18, 2012, 9:48 AM
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I have no idea which setting could cause an issue like that, but I would reset the camera to factory settings and jump it like that (on S). See if there is still noise.


Laszloimage  (D 22468)

Mar 18, 2012, 4:57 PM
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can you please attach one or two of those noisy pictures (a small 400x600)? and make sure the files contain the exif data as well


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Mar 18, 2012, 5:27 PM
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The dots were not on any of the ground photos or the photos in the airplane. They were in the free fall shots, and shots I took while under canopy. They were gone again by the time I took shots of the tandem coming in to land. They were not on the lens (notice they change size and location).

I really think I must have some setting stupidly set the wrong way and I'm too blind to see it but I can't figure it out..

The pictures I took with the camera on sports mode all came out fine with no issues.
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linestretch  (D 21060)

Mar 18, 2012, 9:26 PM
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Pretty sure those spots are nasties on your sensor. They tend to show up more when the F-stop is at a higher number (or smaller aperature...opening).


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Mar 19, 2012, 4:29 AM
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It's dust or other muck on the sensor.
It is most obvious when the background is light and plain. (e.g. cloud or blue sky)
It's also worse with wide angle lenses.
A stopped down aperture (i.e. greater than f8) also makes it worse
If you shoot jpeg, the sharpening algorithm in the camera also makes it worse.
The marks are still there if the background is more cluttered. They are just less obvious.

Solutions
Get the sensor professionally cleaned.
Keep dust out the camera
Use wide apertures if you can.
Use a longer lens (difficult).
Shoot raw - take the marks out in post processing.

Hope this helps


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Mar 19, 2012, 6:39 AM
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But how come when I had sky in the shot when they were coming in to land they weren't there? They were also not there on a jump after this when I shot in sports mode.

The camera is practically new so I can't imagine it having often that much dust in the sensors.

I took a whole bunch of flower shots yesterday and they were definitely 100 percent sure not in those pictures.


Laszloimage  (D 22468)

Mar 19, 2012, 10:10 AM
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In addition to "linestertch's" comment the JPEG files you uploaded are highly compressed. Are these the original files? Some seems to me cropped though...
For example the DSC_7913 image has the resolution of
4928x3264pixels. At this resolution even if the image has mostly white clouds and blue skies the file size should be at least 1.5-2MB. The attached file is only 270KB... When you talked about noise you meant those lines and non-gradual change of the color tones in the image? For two of the images exif data says f16 and f18... If light has to go through a "such a small hole" of a not the highest quality of lens and projected to a 16MP sensor it definitely look bad.
Basically at f16 or f18 (but even f13) a lens can't pass high enough resolution (sharp if you will) image, but exposes the sensor. The result is a 16MP file carrying maybe 4MP of information/detail
On the sunny day using TV at 1/640s with AF I would use ISO100 or even ISO50 if that's available


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Mar 19, 2012, 10:46 AM
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They are compressed to try and put them on here.The files were quite a bit larger but I had to try and shrink them. One of em I did crop too..

I had it on Shutter Priority Mode, 1/640 - it chose the aperture. I can change it to 1/100 for sure. Sports mode chose 1/1600 and ISO 400 which was odd.

And the noise I was talking about was mainly the dots all over the pictures.

Its odd - its becoming apparent to me that the settings I used for years on my T1i are going to be quite different than what work on the D7000. That kinda surprises me.


dragon2  (D 101989)

Mar 19, 2012, 1:46 PM
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Agreed with posters above, that's not noise but looks like a dirty sensor.
Noise looks more like this.


Quote:
How to see sensor dust

If your camera has dust on its sensor, you can quickly spot it by doing the following:

Set your camera on Aperture Priority Mode.
Set your metering mode to Matrix/Evaluative Metering.
Set your camera ISO to the lowest number such as ISO 100 or 200.
Turn off Auto ISO.
Turn off autofocus and set your lens on manual focus.
Set your aperture to the largest number available for your lens by rotating the camera dial. For example, the minimum aperture on the Nikon 50mm f/1.4G is f/16, so if I were shooting with this lens, I would set my aperture to f/16.
If you are outside, point your camera up at the clear blue sky and take a picture. If you are indoors, find plain white paper, zoom in all the way so that the paper fits the whole frame, then make sure that the lens is completely out of focus and take a picture. If you are in front of a computer, open up a text editor such as Notepad, maximize it to the screen and then get as close to the monitor as possible so that only the white color is visible in the frame. Make sure that your focus is way off (completely out of focus) that way only dust particles will be visible.
Zoom in on the image (rear camera LCD), scroll from left to right and top to bottom all over the image and see if you can find any dark spots.
If you cannot see any, your sensor is clean. If you see dark spots like in the above example, then your sensor has dust on it.

You can get your camera cleaned but I usually do it myself.

First off you can let the camera clean itself. Sometimes this helps.
2nd you flip the mirror (there's a lock-mirror menu option for that), hold the camera upside down and give a couple good blows with a good blower. Do not touch the mirror with the nozzle. Do NOT get one with bristles on it.
I prefer the giotto, myself. This is how I do it:

Take a sensor-dust-check picture to see if you need better cleaning. If you do, best take the camera to a camera shop for cleaning (again, you can clean the sensor yourself with swabs+fluid or spinning brush cleaner if you are feeling brave enough)


(This post was edited by dragon2 on Mar 19, 2012, 1:46 PM)


cloudtramp  (D License)

Mar 21, 2012, 8:56 AM
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Do a test jump in Aperture priority mode and set the Fstop to whatever the lowest number is on your lens (ie. 2.8, 3.2) DO a test jump like that and if the spots are gone than you know it's just dirt on your lens/sensor. If they are still there than you have other problems.

Or just do it on the ground. Take a frame @ f/2.8 and then another @ f/22. take a pic of a white wall or something and then compare the two frames.


(This post was edited by cloudtramp on Mar 21, 2012, 8:57 AM)


fincher  (E License)

Mar 21, 2012, 12:34 PM
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listen to laz, You are shooting the wrong setting for those conditions. Why do you want to shoot 1/640? You are in bright conditions even shooting into the sun at times with a shutter speed that will not allow the aperture to be in an optimal range. Increase your shutter! and try to get your aperture more in the 6.3-8 range. I just shot my D300s at the sky on a shutter of 640 and the aperture was off the chart! A cloud blocked the sun and it shot F20. That will surely be a less than optimal photo. This is why sports mode or any automatic mode is going to give you much highrer shutter speeds. this is the cameras way of telling you that you are being ignorant. It changes for the ground shots because now you are not shooting directly into sun lit clouds and sky. Now you have some of the ground for the metering to take into account and the aperture will open to a smaller numerical. this puts you in a more optimal exposure situation. I will attach the two test shots here. one at 1/640 f20 and one at 1/5000 f/6.3 both with an ISO of 200. Both of these shots are cropped from the same part of the sensor. You will notice the smae dots in my f20 as you are getting. None in f6.3


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fincher  (E License)

Mar 21, 2012, 12:36 PM
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notice how much worse it is in your pictures where you are shooting into the sun. TOO much light!


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Gotcha. I'm just still being surprised at the differences between the canon and the Nikon. My canon shot at 1/640 for years - similar speeds in sports mode even. The Nikon wants way faster speeds.

I just did a bunch of scenery settings with the 2 cameras side by side at various apertures. The Nikon consistently chose WAY faster shutter speeds than the Canon. For example I just took both cameras to my front door and took a picture of the sky at f/11 ISo 100. The canon chose 1/16o as its shutter speed ( aperture priority mode ) while the Nikon chose 1/400.

At f/5.6 the canon chose 1/500 and the Nikon chose 1/1250.

Quite the difference. So it's definitely clear to me I have to shoot at much faster shutter speeds on the Nikon. What I'm not sure about is why? Is it the difference in the sensor in the camera I guess?


fincher  (E License)

Mar 21, 2012, 4:30 PM
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What lens is on the canon?


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Canon 10-22 versus the tokina 11-16 on the Nikon


fincher  (E License)

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There will be differences between the two lens. So not a totally fair comparison


Premier faulknerwn  (D 17441)
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It just surprised me because everyone here with canons ( whether 18/55 sigma 10-20 or canon 10-22) all use similar settings. I need to use dramatically different on the Nikon ( on several different lenses even )

I had just never realized there was such a large difference between the brands.


fincher  (E License)

Mar 21, 2012, 8:23 PM
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The difference isn't in the brand. The d7000 and the t1i aren't even comparable cameras. Even if they were both the same brand they are nothing alike. A modern competitor of the d7000 would be a better comparison (a 60d perhaps)? I admit im not savy on current canon models. Also keep in mind that none of the canon lenses you mentioned are f2.8. The tokina 11-16 however is a f2.8. So I don't believe it's a brand difference. I believe it's a camera/lens technology/specification difference.


Sergspc

Apr 3, 2012, 4:04 AM
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In reply to:
Gotcha. I'm just still being surprised at the differences between the canon and the Nikon. My canon shot at 1/640 for years - similar speeds in sports mode even. The Nikon wants way faster speeds.

I just did a bunch of scenery settings with the 2 cameras side by side at various apertures. The Nikon consistently chose WAY faster shutter speeds than the Canon. For example I just took both cameras to my front door and took a picture of the sky at f/11 ISo 100. The canon chose 1/16o as its shutter speed ( aperture priority mode ) while the Nikon chose 1/400.

At f/5.6 the canon chose 1/500 and the Nikon chose 1/1250.

Quite the difference. So it's definitely clear to me I have to shoot at much faster shutter speeds on the Nikon. What I'm not sure about is why? Is it the difference in the sensor in the camera I guess?


It just confirms that Nikon has more sensitive sensor.

I know you have set the same ISO so it should be the same.
I use Nikon D50 - and i love it. I have being inside of it more often then in my fridge and it still works.
every time i open it i find something new that just will not go back in, yet camera still works.

I love it!

I am not saying what camera is the best, it is clearly just a matter of opinion. They both excellent and share will have same/similar technologies that all manufacturers in any field some time ,,Borrowing ,, from each other.Wink



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