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Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jan 30, 2012, 9:24 AM
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USPA has a recommendation that you should have 200 jumps before you jump with a camera, and that is an excellent recommendation. Skydivers MAY have enough experience at 200 jumps to do camera (although most do not) - but before 200 jumps it's pretty much a guaranteed bad idea.

There are some other indications that it's a bad idea to jump with a camera, and you may want to reconsider your decision to jump one:

1) You can't stand up all your landings but you have learned how to fall to protect the camera.

2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you.

3) You spend more time trying to figure out where to put your camera during the exit jamup than where to put your body.

4) You can't really remember the dive until you look at your own video.

5) You post stills from your video to Facebook before packing or debriefing.

6) While in the pattern you fly with your camera pointed at your friend's canopy.

If any of these happen to you, you may want to reconsider jumping with a camera - especially when you're not doing video, you're just a participant on the dive.


Abedy  (D 10153)

Jan 30, 2012, 9:52 AM
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+1
Excellent!


Ummm...

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4) You can't really remember the dive until you look at your own video.

The dive didn't happen before it was displayed on screen Tongue


dragon2  (D 101989)

Jan 30, 2012, 10:35 AM
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5) You post stills from your video to Facebook before packing or debriefing.

Hey, I take exception to that one! MadMadMad

Sly


mobbik

Jan 30, 2012, 12:39 PM
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hmmm so i shouldn't use my gopro on my aff level 1 in couple of months? :D


dragon2  (D 101989)

Jan 30, 2012, 12:46 PM
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hmmm so i shouldn't use my gopro on my aff level 1 in couple of months? :D

A bigger point is that you are waiting a couple months before going for your AFF.

WHY?

Tongue


Deisel  (D 31661)

Jan 30, 2012, 12:52 PM
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Cause it's freakin cold in Canada right now.


airtwardo  (D License)

Jan 30, 2012, 12:54 PM
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5) You post stills from your video to Facebook before packing or debriefing.


~You know HOW to download those stills to Facebook but not how to untangle your step-through! Sly


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Jan 30, 2012, 12:56 PM
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>You know HOW to download those stills to Facebook but not how to untangle your step-through!

Good example of learning things in the wrong order.


mobbik

Jan 30, 2012, 1:52 PM
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and it will be freaking cold knowing my luck on my first jump... apr 7th :)

but i wont show you how good i am since i wont have a camera :P


(This post was edited by mobbik on Jan 30, 2012, 1:53 PM)


PiLFy  (A License)

Jan 30, 2012, 2:28 PM
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Meh...Wear extra cloths & have at it. Winter jumping is FUN Cool.


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Jan 30, 2012, 2:45 PM
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Meh...Wear extra cloths & have at it. Winter jumping is FUN Cool.

+1 Smile


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Jan 30, 2012, 3:06 PM
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USPA has a recommendation that you should have 200 jumps before you jump with a camera, and that is an excellent recommendation. Skydivers MAY have enough experience at 200 jumps to do camera (although most do not) - but before 200 jumps it's pretty much a guaranteed bad idea.

There are some other indications that it's a bad idea to jump with a camera, and you may want to reconsider your decision to jump one:

1) You can't stand up all your landings but you have learned how to fall to protect the camera.

2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you.

3) You spend more time trying to figure out where to put your camera during the exit jamup than where to put your body.

4) You can't really remember the dive until you look at your own video.

5) You post stills from your video to Facebook before packing or debriefing.

6) While in the pattern you fly with your camera pointed at your friend's canopy.

If any of these happen to you, you may want to reconsider jumping with a camera - especially when you're not doing video, you're just a participant on the dive.

Outstanding!Smile


VideoFly  (D 25621)

Jan 30, 2012, 5:29 PM
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6) While in the pattern you fly with your camera pointed at your friend's canopy.

6b) You and your fellow camera flyer spiral around each other at 300 feet in the landing pattern because you think it adds a cool shot to your tandem video.


SansSuit  (D 21554)

Jan 30, 2012, 6:14 PM
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Meh...Wear extra cloths & have at it. Winter jumping is FUN Cool.
Or you can go the other route and wear less clothing. Wink


mobbik

Jan 30, 2012, 6:49 PM
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I think i like extra cloths in winter :)

as for the camers, when i started thinking about jumping i started to look at different camera mounts options etc... (i love photography and i make part of my living doing product shots)...but didnt even occurred to me how dangerous it can be to a newbie, and that it will take a lot of time and experience before one can strap gopro.


mobbik

Jan 30, 2012, 6:51 PM
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hahaha Jeff, I thought you were joking...then i visited the SANS site.
the plane ride must be interesting ;)


popsjumper  (D 999999999)

Jan 30, 2012, 11:46 PM
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I think i like extra cloths in winter :)

as for the camers, when i started thinking about jumping i started to look at different camera mounts options etc... (i love photography and i make part of my living doing product shots)...but didnt even occurred to me how dangerous it can be to a newbie, and that it will take a lot of time and experience before one can strap gopro.

My hat is off to you. Thanks on behalf of yourself and others.
Smile


Dean358  (D 28881)

Jan 31, 2012, 9:35 AM
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2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you.

Wait! This happens to me now. Does that mean I should start jumping with a camera? Wink


skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Jan 31, 2012, 5:45 PM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
2) A lot of your videos from doing POV bigway video are of excellent funnels. You are positive you're not contributing to them but they always seem to happen near you.

Wait! This happens to me now. Does that mean I should start jumping with a camera? Wink

Absolutely!! Please post your asome videos...
Cool


mpreil  (D 17822)

Jan 31, 2012, 8:47 PM
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Great list, but you are fighting a losing battle against technology, stupidity, and the great world of social media.

20 years ago "jumping a camera" involved a helmet with 40 pounds of gear. We didn't need rules, only truly dedicated masochists got into camera work.

Then Handicams, 8 mm, miniDV, etc. and cameras are down to a pound or two. Today it's the GoPro. Fight it all you want, the next step will be a clip on device the size of a coin sending data wirelessly to a receiver in your pocket.

It's not 5-10 years away, it's possible now - there just isn't a big enough market yet. Wait for the next Facebook - "MeTube: All my life, on the Internet, all the time!" - and you won't be able to tell people they can't have their camera on all the time. How do you regulate that?

I think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps?


DaVinciflies

Feb 1, 2012, 12:07 AM
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In reply to:
Great list, but you are fighting a losing battle against technology, stupidity, and the great world of social media.

20 years ago "jumping a camera" involved a helmet with 40 pounds of gear. We didn't need rules, only truly dedicated masochists got into camera work.

Then Handicams, 8 mm, miniDV, etc. and cameras are down to a pound or two. Today it's the GoPro. Fight it all you want, the next step will be a clip on device the size of a coin sending data wirelessly to a receiver in your pocket.

It's not 5-10 years away, it's possible now - there just isn't a big enough market yet. Wait for the next Facebook - "MeTube: All my life, on the Internet, all the time!" - and you won't be able to tell people they can't have their camera on all the time. How do you regulate that?

I think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps?

That's a fucking good post.


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Feb 1, 2012, 12:47 AM
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20 years ago "jumping a camera" involved a helmet with 40 pounds of gear. We didn't need rules, only truly dedicated masochists got into camera work.

Then Handicams, 8 mm, miniDV, etc. and cameras are down to a pound or two. Today it's the GoPro. Fight it all you want, the next step will be a clip on device the size of a coin sending data wirelessly to a receiver in your pocket.

It's not 5-10 years away, it's possible now.... /
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sacex250

Feb 1, 2012, 8:47 AM
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I think it is (sadly) unavoidable that focusing on the dive and ignoring the camera will move from common sense to BSRs to part of the FJC in the next few years. So maybe instead of telling newbies they're not allowed to jump cameras, we work on teaching them how to do it safely. That's how everything else in this sport has evolved. Remember "no square canopies with less than 200 jumps?
Holy crap! Somebody gets it!


PiLFy  (A License)

Feb 1, 2012, 1:39 PM
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Hi,
I see your points, & your much higher experience in the sport. You're making the Sex Ed argument that kids have this neat new toy. They're going to play w/them...
BUT, they have to have at least tacit approval from the DZO to jump a camera @ <200 jumps. I jump at three different DZs. I'd be confronted by a S&TA very quickly at any of them if I tried jumping a camera. I remember another thread where a student was allowed to jump a GoPro w/the DZO's & his AFFI's blessings (?!) in Hollister. Isn't a DZ like that the rare exception? X number of fatalities in X number of years, & the FAA will shut them down. So, DZOs have a vested interest in not having some Newb bounce trying to get the shot.

Yes, things change w/the times. Changing to large square canopies was a safer way of doing things, though. The downsizing is the problem w/that. Big or small, Newbies jumping cameras is never safer. The means to control this behavior are readily available. "Follow the house rules, or jump somewhere else." Or, are there far too many Hollisters out there?


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Feb 1, 2012, 1:57 PM
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>So, DZOs have a vested interest in not having some Newb bounce trying to get the shot.

And more importantly, skydivers have a vested interest in not being killed by a newb trying to get the shot.


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