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Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Jan 8, 2012, 2:42 PM
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Are there snaps on new Velocities (so that you can snap/connect the slider to the canopy)? I was told there are four plastic snaps on the Velocity slider now.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Jan 8, 2012, 3:36 PM
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On the Competition Velocity, yes. I don't know if the regular ones now have them too


Psychonaut  (C License)

Jan 8, 2012, 4:25 PM
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The last new velo someone picked up at my dz had them, and I'm pretty sure it's not a comp. Can't be 100% sure though.


SRI85  (D License)

Jan 8, 2012, 6:02 PM
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I know someone who had just bought 2 new Velos. They both have snaps on them. Non comp.


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Jan 9, 2012, 4:41 AM
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And what is the reason for this (to prevent unwanted slider movement during packing and line stretch?), and why only on Velos? (if this is the case)?


(This post was edited by skydiverek on Jan 9, 2012, 4:49 AM)


piisfish

Jan 9, 2012, 5:11 AM
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can anybody post pictures of that ? I have never jumped a Velo or seen them snaps.

also could someone give explanations on the use and the reason for these snaps.


davelepka  (D 21448)

Jan 9, 2012, 5:41 AM
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also could someone give explanations on the use and the reason for these snaps

There are plasic snaps on the bottom skin of the canopy and also on the four corners of the slider. During packing, with the slider all the way up and quartered, the snaps line-up and snapping it into place just helps to hold it in position.

As to why, and why only on the Velos, I have no 'official' info, and haven't even 'heard' anyting, but I have a guess. My guess is two-fold, for starters, in case you didn't know, Velos have fairly large sliders in comparison to the size of the canopy, and that's because they would hammer open with a smaller slider. So in order to prevent them from hammering open (even occasionally), they snap the slider in palce.

My other guess is that it has something to do with the nature of an 'uncontrolled' opening on a highly loaded, high performance canopy. A high WL and HP canopy will 'magnify' any problems during the opening, and a spinner/mal on a little Velo can be a big deal, so the snaps are other layer of 'protection' from that.

Back to confirmed, PD approved news (at least as of last year) you can have snaps added to a Velo that was built without them. I was offered snaps during a reline this time last year, I declined, but the offer was there.


stayhigh  (F 111)

Jan 9, 2012, 7:00 AM
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they don't do anything.
they mess up my pack job.


adamT  (D 26819)

Jan 9, 2012, 10:38 AM
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They are kind of like a paint by numbers set. Just in case you forget where your slider is supposed to go they are there to remind you Tongue.


RichLees

Jan 9, 2012, 11:36 AM
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they're great on the VC and I want them on my regular Velo at next lineset


AndyMan  (D 25698)

Jan 10, 2012, 12:48 PM
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My non comp-velo came with them last June.

They did nothing to prevent the hard opening that caused a disk injury in my neck.

Yet more packing 'voodoo', if you ask me.

_Am


stayhigh  (F 111)

Jan 10, 2012, 8:08 PM
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snaps makes it harder to quarter the slider and stay quartered.

if you want a soft opening get a bigger slider.


matt3sa  (D 29266)

Jan 11, 2012, 7:07 PM
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I had them installed on mine. One of them broke within the first few jumps and the cost to ship it back isn't worth it. I didn't notice any differences in anything other than an extra step for packing.


stayhigh  (F 111)

Jan 11, 2012, 8:18 PM
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it is sooo funny to see someone go, ooohh the snaps makes it open so much nicer.

okay, obviously placebo works for ya.


Premier ianmdrennan  (D 25821)
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Jan 12, 2012, 4:59 AM
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Actually, it does help people who don't pack carefully enough to keep their slider in place - and you'd be surprised how many of those there are.

So, maybe it DOES work for them Wink


AggieDave  (D License)

Jan 12, 2012, 5:04 AM
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In reply to:
Actually, it does help people who don't pack carefully enough to keep their slider in place - and you'd be surprised how many of those there are.

So, maybe it DOES work for them Wink

So it works for you, then...


Laugh


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Jan 12, 2012, 6:46 AM
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Actually, it does help people who don't pack carefully enough to keep their slider in place - and you'd be surprised how many of those there are.

So, maybe it DOES work for them Wink

I think Ian's talking about me. King of the trash pack, but still never packed my own mal.Shocked

I guess I should be glad my new 103 has snaps.


piisfish

Jan 12, 2012, 8:45 AM
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In reply to:
I guess I should be glad my new 103 has snaps.
i read this as : I should be glad mine has 103 snaps Laugh


chuckakers  (D 10855)

Jan 12, 2012, 11:51 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
I guess I should be glad my new 103 has snaps.
i read this as : I should be glad mine has 103 snaps Laugh

Sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiivvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllll.Cool


angryelf  (D License)

Jan 12, 2012, 4:11 PM
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When I started demoing Velos last summer I got a demo (Standard Velo 111) from PD that had the snaps. I used them on some jumps, didn't on others. Didn't notice any difference. I wound up buying a 103, have an RDS slider for it. Snaps on slider, not on canopy. I talked to PD, they told me the snaps were developed for the Comp Velo and that they had started putting them on all the Velos now. As a rigger I suspect they started this due to the extra weight/stiffness of the RDS (cutaway cables in the lead and trail edges) slider. In my experience (30 plus jumps with the Velo 103/RDS setup) it is (somewhat) harder to control the silder in the packjob because it doesn't like to lay flat inside the canopy. I have had one hard opening out of all of them, I know it was because of lacking slider control. The easy answer is taking care in packing, the snaps don't contribute a lot in my opinion. PD knows a hell of a lot more about Velo's than I do, though-so whatever...

-Harry


d100965  (D 100965)

Jan 13, 2012, 5:36 AM
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If you used the Lookma RDS instead of the one PD "forces" you to have (when you buy a comp VC), then you wouldn't have any of them problems to begin with, thus no need for snaps. Plus you'd be able to remove it quicker under canopy due to it having only 1 handle in the middle. Tongue


RichLees

Jan 13, 2012, 9:21 AM
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my LookMa has two handles :-( but I find it easier to put back on than the PD one. and I probably won't put snaps on at re-lining because I can be bothered with getting snaps on the LookMa or with getting a PD slider


markovwgti  (D 29993)

Jan 13, 2012, 11:48 AM
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From my experience the snaps have made the canopy take much longer to open on a regular velo. I didnt like it and stopped using it! But on the other hand on my Comp Velo i do use them all the time!


d100965  (D 100965)

Jan 14, 2012, 3:45 AM
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Shouldn't have bought the 2 handled removeable/collapsible version. Over-engineered Tongue


Premier skydiverek  (C 41769)

Feb 27, 2012, 8:48 AM
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Magnets can be used on slider, too:

http://images2.freshpatents.com/pdf/US20080308680A1.pdf


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