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Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)?

 

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Poll: Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)?
Good idea. 48 / 40%
Bad Idea. 18 / 15%
Ridiculous idea. 53 / 45%
119 total votes
 
ozzy13  (D 29344)

Dec 28, 2011, 2:18 PM
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Re: [craigbey] Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)? [In reply to] Can't Post

One more thing HP landings require a little different pattern. depending on what kind of turn and if its a left or right hand turn. Uspa last year or the year before required uspa DZs to have a separate landing area for HP landings.Cool Just wanted to add that.


craigbey  (C 31991)

Dec 28, 2011, 2:35 PM
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Re: [ozzy13] Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)? [In reply to] Can't Post

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you cant point out just experienced jumpers doing this. For the most part its newer jumpers wanting to get on the next load

Wrong. I've seen several experienced jumpers doing this.

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You are in charge of getting yourself down safely.

No kidding. And it would help if others would get a clue on how to fly their canopies in traffic.

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You already need to do accuracy jumps for B and C nothing new there

Yes, but I'm asking for a little more.

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Part of the CC proficiency requirements for advanced USPA licenses should include landing on a predetermined target after flying a pattern with distinct downwind, base and final legs and 90 deg (+/- 10 deg) turns ... straight in with no sashaying or s-turns.

Again, there are too many people who can't do that.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Dec 28, 2011, 2:43 PM
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Re: [craigbey] Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Part of the CC proficiency requirements for advanced USPA licenses should include landing on a predetermined target after flying a pattern with distinct downwind, base and final legs and 90 deg (+/- 10 deg) turns ... straight in with no sashaying or s-turns.

Again, there are too many people who can't do that.

Seems like a good idea to require it in the progression some where then!

Matt


ozzy13  (D 29344)

Dec 28, 2011, 2:52 PM
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Re: [craigbey] Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)? [In reply to] Can't Post

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you cant point out just experienced jumpers doing this. For the most part its newer jumpers wanting to get on the next load

Wrong. I've seen several experienced jumpers doing this.
again not disagreeing just stating

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You are in charge of getting yourself down safely.

No kidding. And it would help if others would get a clue on how to fly their canopies in traffic. Its the job of the insturctors at the DZ you jump at to handle that

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You already need to do accuracy jumps for B and C nothing new there

Yes, but I'm asking for a little more. USPA just gave you more

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Part of the CC proficiency requirements for advanced USPA licenses should include landing on a predetermined target after flying a pattern with distinct downwind, base and final legs and 90 deg (+/- 10 deg) turns ... straight in with no sashaying or s-turns.

Again, there are too many people who can't do that.
and again uspa is addressing this matter

Good luck


ozzy13  (D 29344)

Dec 28, 2011, 2:56 PM
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Re: [ozzy13] Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)? [In reply to] Can't Post

Next time a guy spirals down like that, ground them and see if they do it again lol simple fix if you ask me


DaVinciflies

Dec 28, 2011, 3:44 PM
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Re: [ozzy13] Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)? [In reply to] Can't Post

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you cant point out just experienced jumpers doing this. For the most part its newer jumpers wanting to get on the next load

In my experience it's older RW jumpers who are really the worst culprits for spiraling and complete disregard of a pattern, although of course, nobody is immune.


craigbey  (C 31991)

Dec 28, 2011, 5:13 PM
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Re: [DaVinciflies] Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)? [In reply to] Can't Post

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It's another sign of our dysfunctional culture (there's that word again) that such self-controlled flight is not held in higher esteem by many jumpers

The coolest landing I've seen all year...

Wasn't a swooper at the DZ or on video somewhere. It was a young guy just off student status who walked out into the landing area, talked out his landing pattern, altitude checkpoints and intended target. He then got on a load, jumped and flew his canopy almost exactly the way he planned and landed almost exactly where he intended. Downwind, base, final ... just about perfect. And after he landed, he reviewed what he had done in the pattern and on his landing to try and see if he could make any improvements.

Not sure how many jumps he had at the time, but looking back, it really was the most impressive thing I've seen all year because of his planning, execution and review.


(This post was edited by craigbey on Dec 28, 2011, 5:15 PM)


craigbey  (C 31991)

Dec 29, 2011, 3:45 AM
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Re: [matthewcline] Requiring B license applicants to fly their canopy with their eyes closed for 15 seconds (5 flares, approx 3 seconds each)? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Seems like a good idea to require it in the progression some where then!

Indeed, part of what I said already is. But there are no specific requirement for straight legs and 90 deg turns. If someone wants to fly their canopy like they're the only one in the pattern, they can count a landing even if they are flying all over the place to get to the target.


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