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Deisel  (D 31661)

Dec 6, 2011, 10:25 AM
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This isn't a skydiving incident but it has happened on a DZ before. Very sad but it's a good reminder about why we still have to teach this stuff to our students, and remind the experienced guys and gals that it can and does happen. Frown


http://gma.yahoo.com/...ident-101317983.html


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DvK  (B License)

Dec 6, 2011, 10:30 AM
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When walking to the plane allways make sure you and other people don't get to close to that propeller! I make the choice of walking the 'safe route' even if the engine isn't running, just to make it a habit, some people don't do that when it's turned off....

There's enough risks in our sport, lets not make something that's completely avoidable hurt us or anyone around us..


Abedy

Dec 6, 2011, 11:07 AM
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And also a good reminder to a) take care no family members of students (esp. tandem students) walk out of the "fenced" area and b) always have a hand at your tandem students gear (main lift web etc) when approaching the plane...


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Dec 6, 2011, 11:40 AM
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Hi Deisel,

Before I met my now ex-wife, she had an aunt who walked into one. The husband & both sons were watching.

Back in the '70's Bill Hardman, who was the DZO of Abbotsford, BC, was hand-propping a Cessna when his foot slipped & the prop hit him in the head. Fortunately, his injuries were not fatal.

JerryBaumchen


dks13827  (C 9293)

Dec 6, 2011, 1:32 PM
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That pilot will feel bad forever. You can't allow anyone who is not extremely knowledgeable about aircraft to deplane with the engine running. Of course, it is risky in any event.

Another example of something that should be taught in flight school. Taught with a 2 by 4 over the head, too !!! Not kidding.

Er, you suppose the trial lawyers are calling him ?


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skyjumpenfool  (Student)

Dec 6, 2011, 2:30 PM
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True story...

One day at the DZ, a Woofo was lifting his 4 and 5 year old kids up to "hang" on the prop of the Cessna that was sitting in front of the hanger. Seeing this, I walked up to him and explained how dangerous props can be even on planes that are just sitting there.

So, what is this Nimrods response? He turns around and starts yelling at the kids for playing on the prop???? Some people just can NOT be educated.


Bertt  (D 99999)

Dec 6, 2011, 3:44 PM
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This might not be a skydiving incident, but it's as good a topic as anything we talk about on these forums.
The ones that scare me are big, high-wing planes (e.g. twin otter) where you can walk under the wing while the prop is spinning.


mpohl

Dec 6, 2011, 3:56 PM
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BINGO!

But that's too much to ask of today's Tis.

Heck, in my days I never thought it possible to actually loose a student. Until a SE TI introduced us to the idea...and many other TIs soon followed.

These days, I bet that few Tis know about no-go areas depending on aircraft. Am I too harsh in my assessment?

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And also a good reminder to a) take care no family members of students (esp. tandem students) walk out of the "fenced" area and b) always have a hand at your tandem students gear (main lift web etc) when approaching the plane...


riddler  (D 10234)

Dec 6, 2011, 4:35 PM
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What type of plane was it?


normiss  (D 28356)

Dec 6, 2011, 4:54 PM
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You are exactly correct IMO.

NEVER let someone around the wingtip towards the front.
NEVER go farther than the back of a wing around an aircraft.

I do NOT let go of tandem students until boarded for this reason....you can't be too careful!


angrypeppers  (B License)

Dec 6, 2011, 5:39 PM
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A Husky...


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Dec 6, 2011, 9:22 PM
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Reminds me of the summer that I worked at Spadero's Airstrip on Long Island.
ONe afternoon, it was too cloudy to jump and I might have been the only employee on the airstrip when a family of four wandered down the row of parked airplanes.
Their four-year old son started tugging on a Cessna propeller - with his sister, mother and father all within striking distance.
I yelled "STOP" and walked over to talk with the father. I asked him if he had ever seen old film footage of World War I mechanics starting airplanes by pulling on propellers. Then I reminded him that magnetos have not changed much in the interim.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Dec 6, 2011, 10:37 PM
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I treat those props like loaded guns; with a lot of respect.


obelixtim  (D 84)

Dec 7, 2011, 12:48 AM
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 In my first jump training, I always warned about propellors, but instead of calling them propellors I always called them "mincers".

That word always got the point across.....


theonlyski  (D License)

Dec 7, 2011, 5:14 AM
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A Husky...

That makes it even more strange, it's hard enough climbing in the back seat of those things with no pilot, why would he stay seated and make her climb out even more difficult?


angrypeppers  (B License)

Dec 7, 2011, 10:03 AM
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The story I heard (unconfirmed) was that she had gotten out of the a/c and walked away, then went back to thank the pilot and walked into the prop.


Abedy

Dec 7, 2011, 10:10 AM
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Am I too harsh in my assessment?

I don't think so.
We always "carry" our students and if one of the TIs has to do a back-on-back we take care of his student until we can "hand them over."

Colleagues told me in one occasion that "this is not 'Con Air'" - i. e. the student is not to be "carried" as if a prisoner (because I held him by the chest strap). But that was that. They just told me to be a little more discreet (e. g. always hold student's main lift web). Well, I usually do that but had forgotten that time, had grabbed him by the chest strap and... just then it was taped (small camera glued to strut) and could be watched on Vimeo two days later Blush


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Dec 7, 2011, 10:49 AM
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I usually hold onto tandem students by the harness yoke (neck) or shoulder hook. Most of them seem to feel reassured that I am keeping a grip on them while we walk through the prop-wash of a turbine-engined-jump-plane.


sacex250

Dec 7, 2011, 4:34 PM
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A Husky...

That makes it even more strange, it's hard enough climbing in the back seat of those things with no pilot, why would he stay seated and make her climb out even more difficult?

and, why would a pilot need to keep an engine running in a Husky while off-loading a passenger?


theonlyski  (D License)

Dec 7, 2011, 4:48 PM
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A Husky...

That makes it even more strange, it's hard enough climbing in the back seat of those things with no pilot, why would he stay seated and make her climb out even more difficult?

and, why would a pilot need to keep an engine running in a Husky while off-loading a passenger?

Doesn't make any damn sense.Crazy


3mpire  (C 39657)

Dec 8, 2011, 5:17 PM
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The ones that scare me are big, high-wing planes (e.g. twin otter) where you can walk under the wing while the prop is spinning.

I once saw a fuelie walk between the fuselage and the prop of a twin otter... while it was running. fuck. that.


wildcard451  (D License)

Dec 8, 2011, 6:51 PM
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The ones that scare me are big, high-wing planes (e.g. twin otter) where you can walk under the wing while the prop is spinning.

I once saw a fuelie walk between the fuselage and the prop of a twin otter... while it was running. fuck. that.

I have hot fueled our otter more times than I can count, and while being "comfortable" doing it, I am highly vigilant and terrified of that prop. From the moment I come around the wheel, my right shoulder is against the fuselage and NEVER leaves.

I have held my arm out though while the engine is off, and as long as my shoulder is on the body, I can't get hit, so there IS plenty of room there. I am not saying that it is a good idea, but you can do it.


lekstrom10k  (D 3001)

Dec 8, 2011, 7:02 PM
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 If McGyver was so smart why would he lean on a prop of a twin in the opening sequence . The producers were so stupid to let him too. We had a jump airplane land at Detroit City Airport . The girl passenger whose dad owned a plane ran around the strut after taxiing in to tiedown before the prop stopped because she had to pee. Needless to say she soiled herself in blood instead.There is another part of the story never told too.


normiss  (D 28356)

Dec 8, 2011, 7:46 PM
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I've hot fueled hundreds of times myself.
Scares me to death.
Every time.
I like that it does. I respect it.
Hopefully I always will.


humanflite  (D 99999)

Dec 9, 2011, 1:00 AM
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I've hot fueled hundreds of times myself.
Scares me to death.
Every time.
I like that it does. I respect it.
Hopefully I always will.

Poor kid, I dont know what the pilot was thinking letting her deplane with the prop still going and no experienced supervision.

in the UK TIs HAVE to hold on to the tandem passenger while boarding the plane


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