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jhh166  (B License)

Oct 31, 2011, 4:11 PM
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Wow, Happy Halloween, this thread is back from the dead.

Vskydiver fell out of her harness once, hanging at 2 grand by her knees in the leg straps, just like on the monkey bars. She climbed back up into the rig. I know a lot of people say it can't happen. PM Vskydiver for the details. It'll make you think twice.

If you do not mind could you elaborate what may have put her in that position ie. sitfly..hard opening? Thanks


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Oct 31, 2011, 9:29 PM
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If you do not mind could you elaborate what may have put her in that position ie. sitfly..hard opening? Thanks
Hard opening. She's not very big and very flexible. Her legs flew up, her butt slid out with her torso following. Pretty scary.

She's not the only person that has had that happen, but some people still think it's not possible.


jhh166  (B License)

Nov 3, 2011, 3:26 AM
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If you do not mind could you elaborate what may have put her in that position ie. sitfly..hard opening? Thanks
Hard opening. She's not very big and very flexible. Her legs flew up, her butt slid out with her torso following. Pretty scary.

She's not the only person that has had that happen, but some people still think it's not possible.

Crazy. I am glad she was able to get back in the harness. I can see it possible, on one of my deployments I remember my feet being head level. I think I pitched down when I reached for the BOC and it whipped me to the position (folded at the waist with my feet in my face). I however was no where near coming out of the harness but I can see plausible.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Nov 3, 2011, 8:09 AM
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That's why we emphasize the arch when you pull. It's not to keep you stable. It's to keep the harness from coming off. Tongue

(Disclaimer: I'm joking.)Smile


Marksman  (B 7)

Nov 8, 2011, 11:33 AM
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disclaimer!!! LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh


sundevil777  (D License)

Nov 8, 2011, 12:51 PM
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... I can get out of my seatbelt ... without disconnecting anything as well. I don't see that as a problem. ...

Car seatbelts are crap, a huge compromise of comfort and convenience over safety. You won't see F-1 or Nascar using that inertial-locking-shoulder-and-lap crap. Try slipping out of a correctly adjusted 5-point harness. ...
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Car seat-belts had to be dumbed-down to match the intelligence of the average car driver.
Given the low intelligence of the average car driver, add fatigue, alcohol, distractions in the form of cell phones, pets, make-up, other traffic, pedestrians, traffic lights, road signs, etc. .... it is a miracle that so few car drivers die!

A lot of cars now have pre-tensioners, so that they get cinched up if the airbags are fired. It is a very effective method of reducing injuries, as the slack in the belt is a very important factor in how far forward you'll get thrown/how hard you'll hit the wheel, etc. It should be standard equipment, but not yet.


(This post was edited by sundevil777 on Nov 8, 2011, 12:51 PM)


sundevil777  (D License)

Nov 8, 2011, 12:55 PM
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Wow, Happy Halloween, this thread is back from the dead.

Vskydiver fell out of her harness once, hanging at 2 grand by her knees in the leg straps, just like on the monkey bars. She climbed back up into the rig. I know a lot of people say it can't happen. PM Vskydiver for the details. It'll make you think twice.

Did that happen on a student rig or one made for her? If it was her rig, what was your countermeasure - did you add a solid (not just bungee) strap to go across the leg straps?


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Nov 8, 2011, 2:14 PM
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Custom rig, very small backpack. She now has a non-stretch strap where many install bungees.


sundevil777  (D License)

Nov 8, 2011, 4:12 PM
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Custom rig, very small backpack. She now has a non-stretch strap where many install bungees.

The non-stretch strap is so much more useful than a bungee. Here's a repost of a good article from Jan Meyer on the subject and how to get such a strap made and applied to a rig with no sewing to the rig itself:

http://www.makeithappen.com/spsj/fallout.html


jrjny  (A License)

Nov 8, 2011, 5:28 PM
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Maybe I'm missing something but what the heck is a little bungee going to actually accomplish? I have the thing and it's like a shoelace...how could that save my 'ass' from going through, literally.

Thanks,

Jeff


VTmotoMike08  (D 30399)

Nov 8, 2011, 5:45 PM
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Maybe I'm missing something but what the heck is a little bungee going to actually accomplish? I have the thing and it's like a shoelace...how could that save my 'ass' from going through, literally.

Thanks,

Jeff

My understanding is that it keeps the properly adjusted leg straps from sliding towards your knees where you would be more likely to fall thru. Of course it is not a weight bearing piece, it just keeps everything in the right position.


riggerrob  (D 14840)

Nov 9, 2011, 10:06 AM
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Maybe I'm missing something but what the heck is a little bungee going to actually accomplish? I have the thing and it's like a shoelace...how could that save my 'ass' from going through, literally.

Thanks,

Jeff

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Flimsy little elastic bungees are designed to hold the leg pads in place (where your buttock cheek meets your leg) BEFORE they are loaded - during opening shock.
The alternative is leg straps sliping down - too low - before opening shock, then you are at risk of falling out and a little piece of stretchy bungee cord will make no difference.


ShcShc11  (A 15638)

Nov 19, 2011, 1:26 PM
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http://www.chutingstar.com/newgear_en/swooper-belly-band.html

So by any chance would these be worth the cost for a newbie?


airtwardo  (D License)

Nov 19, 2011, 1:28 PM
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http://www.chutingstar.com/...oper-belly-band.html

So by any chance would these be worth the cost for a newbie?


Marisan  (E 123)

Nov 19, 2011, 1:44 PM
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http://www.chutingstar.com/newgear_en/swooper-belly-band.html

So by any chance would these be worth the cost for a newbie?

All that is old is new again.


ShcShc11  (A 15638)

Nov 21, 2011, 1:56 PM
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Re: [Marisan] Falling out of a Harness [In reply to] Can't Post

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In reply to:
http://www.chutingstar.com/newgear_en/swooper-belly-band.html

So by any chance would these be worth the cost for a newbie?

All that is old is new again.

uhhh? Crazy


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