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Bodhisattva420  (B 35178)

Oct 2, 2011, 11:42 AM
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What's the softest opening canopy you've jumped? I'm looking to buy a new canopy and noticed the last thread on this topic is from 2005. Post away!


AggieDave  (D License)

Oct 2, 2011, 11:48 AM
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Kind of a toss up for me between a Spectre with Dacron and a Storm with Dacron. I think the Storm was a bit better.


tbrown  (D 6533)

Oct 2, 2011, 11:55 AM
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Okay, I'll bite. The softest openings I've ever had were from the PD Spectre and Aerodyne's Pilot, both of which I have owned. The opening is like falling over backwards into bed, though both involve a good snivel. The Pilot's snivel is not so bad, the Spectre's is infamous (as in take along a good crossword puzzle....). My Pilot seems to open in 500 - 600 ft, the Spectre might take up to 800.

While we're on the topic, think about your reserve at terminal. PD makes two excellent reserves, the "old" PD Reserve, and the new Optimum. I've dumped both at terminal (a PD Reserve after a pilot chute in tow malfunction) and the Optimum as a main canopy for a demo jump. Both give you very quick, but quite comfortable openings, which is what you need from a reserve (the Optimum is incredible by the way and worth every penny of the higher price - you may change main canopies often, but a reserve is usually a long term keeper).


Rigless

Oct 2, 2011, 12:37 PM
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Safire2


piisfish

Oct 2, 2011, 12:40 PM
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for me, Icarus Crossfire2, and then Icarus Safire2.

If your profile is up to date I would recommend a Safire2 at an adapted wingloading.


likestojump  (D License)

Oct 2, 2011, 12:46 PM
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Crossfire2 opened really nice. Competition (or H-modded) Cobalt with HMA lines opened really well. But neither are good for a beginner.

People seem to like Pilots and Safire2's. If you get a Pilot I would try to go with HMA rather than Spectra lines.


Decodiver  (D License)

Oct 2, 2011, 12:49 PM
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Crossfire 2 is a dream at the right wingloading, with your experience I'd say a PD Storm I had one at 1:1 and it opened great.


Amazon  (D License)

Oct 2, 2011, 2:03 PM
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In reply to:
What's the softest opening canopy you've jumped? I'm looking to buy a new canopy and noticed the last thread on this topic is from 2005. Post away!

I would have to say.. my old school PISA now Aerodyne Triathlon.

I liked my old one so much that I bought a whole new rig to upsize to a new one for when my shoulder heals enough to jump again. Nice soft openings... nice soft landings...


(This post was edited by Amazon on Oct 2, 2011, 2:04 PM)


jrmrangers  (B 36060)

Oct 2, 2011, 2:11 PM
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My spectre opens super soft, sometimes scary soft, 1200 foot opening arent uncommon
Crazy


sundevil777  (D License)

Oct 2, 2011, 2:17 PM
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In reply to:
My spectre opens super soft, sometimes scary soft, 1200 foot opening arent uncommon
Crazy

Doesn't anyone try unstowing the brakes when it takes so long? A very long time ago I had a canopy that seemed to not open until I did that, or at least I should say I never let it just go on sniveling for over 1000 feet. That was back when canopies never sniveled for long.


Andy9o8  (D License)

Oct 2, 2011, 2:17 PM
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In reply to:
What's the softest opening canopy you've jumped?

Ever? Probably a ragged-out T-10, back when I was 115 lbs. I can get you one, cheap.


(This post was edited by Andy9o8 on Oct 2, 2011, 2:18 PM)


jrmrangers  (B 36060)

Oct 2, 2011, 2:34 PM
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i pop the breaks pretty much every jump!! still get damn near 1000 foot openings!


oldwomanc6

Oct 2, 2011, 3:30 PM
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In reply to:
i pop the breaks pretty much every jump!! still get damn near 1000 foot openings!

Don't confuse soft with slow... Personally, I wouldn't like a canopy that took 1000' to open every time. Crazy


jrmrangers  (B 36060)

Oct 2, 2011, 3:36 PM
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luckily im still conservative with my deployment altitude so i havent had an issue yet. Its not 1000 feet every time but its never quick, or hard for that matter.


racerman  (C 18409)

Oct 2, 2011, 4:07 PM
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Without a doubt hands down is the Jump Shacks Firebolt. It's a elliptical canopy available in various sizes. Call and ask Nancy for a demo canopy to jump.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Oct 2, 2011, 4:20 PM
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That would have to be the original Unit. Smile

Sparky


darkwing  (D 4164)

Oct 2, 2011, 5:11 PM
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A note on soft opening canopies--ANY canopy can open very hard. I feel confident in saying that there isn't a modern canopy that hasn't hammered someone. I have a few hundred spectre jumps, and one was a crusher. I hung in the saddle a while after opening. After landing I just sat there a while.

I recommend a Pilot as a solid performer, with very consistent, soft openings.

Again, no canopy is immune.


Bodhisattva420  (B 35178)

Oct 2, 2011, 5:29 PM
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Have you jumped a Sabre II before? I've been hearing really good things about the Spectre but was wondering how it compares to the Sabre II. I rented a Sabre II 170 @ the DZ one weekend when I was getting my canopy relined, and it opened REALLY soft, had some slider hang up ... wouldn't mind having some slider hang up every now and then!


agentsmith413  (B 36115)

Oct 2, 2011, 6:39 PM
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I jump a pilot and they open really soft. My snivel is a long one 700-1000 ft(sometimes shorter though) but the openings are fantastic. Keep in mind i've only jumped a navigator, pilot, and sabre 2. so far the best openings are on my pilot. someone recommended hma instead of spectra but i jump my pilot with spectra and my openings are nice and soft. I'm still new so i don't know what difference it would make but this is just my 2 cents


rwieder  (C 32349)

Oct 2, 2011, 6:58 PM
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The first canopy I ever had that was mine: 7 cell Triathlon 210, the second canopy: 7 cell Triathlon 190; My third canopy: PISA Hornet 170, 7 cell semi elipitacal. All of them opened great & flew well.


wolfriverjoe  (A 50013)

Oct 2, 2011, 7:08 PM
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In reply to:
Have you jumped a Sabre II before? I've been hearing really good things about the Spectre but was wondering how it compares to the Sabre II. I rented a Sabre II 170 @ the DZ one weekend when I was getting my canopy relined, and it opened REALLY soft, had some slider hang up ... wouldn't mind having some slider hang up every now and then!

Sabre2s can open soft, but they can also open hard, and anywhere in between. I understand it to be pretty sensitive to packing.

I'm told it's especially sensitive to how the slider is quartered, particularly the sides being pulled out properly.
I pull the sides of the slider well out and make sure it stays put during the rest of the pack job. That gives me openings that are pretty consistenly soft.
But I don't have a whole lot of jumps on it.

I've had it slam me once or twice, once really hard from a paid packer.


Marisan  (E 123)

Oct 2, 2011, 10:34 PM
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Rope and rings Stratostar followed by a Pegasus.

Back in the day, any canopy that took 1000 feet to open would be by itself after 500 feet.


bofh  (D 13995)

Oct 2, 2011, 11:37 PM
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My top list of soft opening canopies would be something like this:

Neos-99 (when it doesn't open hard, have not tried any with the fix).
Crossfire2-129
Safire2-139
Storm 135(?)
JVX-90
Scirocco-77
Crossfire2-119
Safire2-119

Its been too long since I jumped a spectre to know where it would go in the list, but probably near the Storm.

Of these, I can only recommend a Safire2 or Storm to someone with few jump numbers.

I've also only jumped one of each kind and all canopies are a bit different.


piisfish

Oct 3, 2011, 12:17 AM
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In reply to:
Sabre2s can open soft, but they can also open hard, and anywhere in between. I understand it to be pretty sensitive to packing..
just like any other canopy... I can even pack slammers on a Crossfire if you ask me to. But I generally try to do it the other way around Laugh


jerolim  (F License)

Oct 3, 2011, 12:45 AM
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What about Atair Radical? The Radical also incorporates
the Atair 2 Stage Opening Technology, originally used on the Atair Cobalt Canopy, which provides soft predictable on heading openings. This means all center cells are ported but there is no porting between 3 center cells and outher cells.
In my expirience (200 jumps on Radical 135) - faster you go it opens slower.


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