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davevans  (C 36210)

Aug 31, 2011, 8:14 AM
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Just saw this on Cookie's website and found out the G2 is now officially discontinued. Wonder why they switched from carbon fiber to ABS?

http://www.cookiecomposites.com/shop/helmets/94/index.htm


diablopilot  (D License)

Aug 31, 2011, 10:41 AM
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My guess would be speed (and cost) of production.


michalm21  (Student)

Aug 31, 2011, 10:50 AM
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yeah... going for $400 with shipping?
I'd have to pass


Inspired  (B 35971)

Aug 31, 2011, 3:04 PM
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I wonder what their solution is to the fogging issues that the G2 had? Is it simply the new mouth pieces? I've been holding off buying a new full face waiting to see what Cookie came up with.


mchamp  (D 32129)

Aug 31, 2011, 3:04 PM
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In reply to:
My guess would be speed (and cost) of production.

My exact guess as well. Plus if there is any impact I'm lead to believe that carbon fiber would crack under a certain pressure as apposed to ABS plastic which would dent therefore reducing/absorbing more blunt of the blow and dispersing the energy throughout the helmet.

edit to add: Still can't deny the carbon fiber G2 look of the helmet though !


(This post was edited by mchamp on Aug 31, 2011, 3:05 PM)


LuizToninato  (A 75868)

Sep 8, 2011, 5:33 PM
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If you can choose a helmet world you stick with G2 (carbon fiber with fogging issues) or G3 (ABS Plastic) without fogging issues?


stayhigh  (F 111)

Sep 8, 2011, 8:52 PM
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G3's fogging issue hasn't been proved yet,
wait for the winter time


trig78  (B License)

Sep 8, 2011, 11:41 PM
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I'll just stick with my G2. I wish they just offered a non fogging visor for it. Until then I'll continue using anti fog cloth Wink


JackC1

Sep 9, 2011, 5:05 AM
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I'll just stick with my G2. I wish they just offered a non fogging visor for it. Until then I'll continue using anti fog cloth Wink

http://www.amazon.com/...315569796&sr=8-1


(This post was edited by JackC1 on Sep 9, 2011, 5:05 AM)


danielcroft  (D 31103)

Sep 9, 2011, 5:31 AM
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The other issue they had with the G2 was the visor popping open about an inch. Apparently due to a weaker spring in the locking mechanism. I haven't had any major fogging issues or a problem with the visor but I know people who have.


Premier NWFlyer  (D 29960)

Sep 9, 2011, 8:38 AM
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The other issue they had with the G2 was the visor popping open about an inch. Apparently due to a weaker spring in the locking mechanism. I haven't had any major fogging issues or a problem with the visor but I know people who have.

There's also been a known issue with certain visors that take on a "crackled" appearance (for lack of a better way to describe it). I've had that issue and seen others who have had it; it seems to start from the top and bottom of the visor and gradually make its way towards the center (slowly - mine never got more than a half inch from the top and hadn't started on the bottom when I got my replacement visor).

Cookie acknowledges this is a known defect with certain visors and is replacing them at no cost (through their dealer network). I was happy with that resolution.

I've had limited fogging issues and no issues with the locking mechanism.


(This post was edited by NWFlyer on Sep 9, 2011, 8:38 AM)


danielcroft  (D 31103)

Sep 12, 2011, 3:53 PM
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Oh, right, good point. I had another friend who's visor had that issue.

Kirk Verner was out at my DZ for a 4 way camp this past weekend, he has a bunch of holes cut out of his G2 visor around the edges to stop the fogging on opening. I have fogging on opening too but cleared really quick and not a visibility issue for me.


D-Fens

Oct 23, 2011, 1:52 AM
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So anyone tried these helmets yet?


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Oct 23, 2011, 8:21 AM
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We have an order of these come in out at the DZ and everyone seems to like them but said they are running just a tad smaller than the G2. I know a few people were grabbing the next size up G3 over what they would have gotten a G2 in. I would advise trying one on for fit to make sure its correct.


rrmtopo  (C License)

Nov 17, 2011, 8:37 PM
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Does anyone know the actual weight differences (if any) between the G2 & G3? For the same size of course. Curious if the ABS construction was able to match the carbon fiber in mass.


mchamp  (D 32129)

Nov 24, 2011, 4:07 AM
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Good question as I'm curious as well.

Anyone have a same size G2 and G3 with a oz/weed scale? lol If anyone does please weigh them without any audibles and let us know!

edit to add: Oh and Happy thanksgiving everyone! Load up on that L-Tryptophan


(This post was edited by mchamp on Nov 24, 2011, 4:09 AM)


Cookie  (F License)

Nov 24, 2011, 5:29 PM
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Weight comparison
G2 750 grams 26.4oz
G3 790 grams 27.8oz


(This post was edited by Cookie on Nov 24, 2011, 5:30 PM)


rrmtopo  (C License)

Dec 2, 2011, 9:02 PM
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Thanks for the mass Cookie. The changes possibly being driven by a manufacturing costs/availability issue (since no apparent durability issues have surfaced), but I continue to have a strong preference for the carbon fiber construction of the G2. Just a little customer input.


Cookie  (F License)

Dec 5, 2011, 5:01 AM
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Cheers mate
We welcome your feedback.
The mouth area upgrade and ventilation is a key feature that could only be implemented into the G3


mchamp  (D 32129)

Dec 7, 2011, 7:14 PM
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If you can choose a helmet world you stick with G2 (carbon fiber with fogging issues) or G3 (ABS Plastic) without fogging issues?

I did choose and I bought a G3 Cool


Trafficdiver  (C 39999)

Dec 7, 2011, 8:22 PM
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If you can choose a helmet world you stick with G2 (carbon fiber with fogging issues) or G3 (ABS Plastic) without fogging issues?

I did choose and I bought a G3 Cool

Me too. It's my first new helmet. Can't wait to jump it.Smile


mchamp  (D 32129)

Jan 25, 2012, 7:55 AM
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G3's fogging issue hasn't been proved yet,
wait for the winter time

It's officially winter....anyone that has a G3 have any fogging issues during this winter season??

I would give my 2 cents and review, but fortunately its 85 and sunny where I recently just moved to and never gets below 70 ever so fogging isn't an issue Smile


JackC1

Jan 25, 2012, 9:22 AM
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G3's fogging issue hasn't been proved yet,
wait for the winter time

It's officially winter....anyone that has a G3 have any fogging issues during this winter season??

My G3 has survived so far this winter without any noticeable fogging. I reckon it was below -20 Celsius at altitude for some of those and below freezing at ground level. I just keep the visor open until just before exit and open it again under canopy.

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We have an order of these come in out at the DZ and everyone seems to like them but said they are running just a tad smaller than the G2. I know a few people were grabbing the next size up G3 over what they would have gotten a G2 in. I would advise trying one on for fit to make sure its correct.

Yup. I tried a G2 for fit which was OK and ordered the same size G3, it was too small. Had to modificate the liner with a scalpel to get it to contain my oversized cranium.


(This post was edited by JackC1 on Jan 25, 2012, 9:26 AM)


Squeak  (E 1313)

Jan 26, 2012, 3:42 AM
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G3's fogging issue hasn't been proved yet,
wait for the winter time

It's officially winter....anyone that has a G3 have any fogging issues during this winter season??

I would give my 2 cents and review, but fortunately its 85 and sunny where I recently just moved to and never gets below 70 ever so fogging isn't an issue Smile
Had some fogging issues in the Eloy tunnel early in the mornings when i was there a couple of weeks back. Morning temps were 30-40 before entering the tunnel


mchamp  (D 32129)

Apr 30, 2012, 8:51 AM
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Cookie and all other helmet manufacturer's take note!

Contrary to what everyone says, now there is "FOG PROOF" and let's see this potentially implemented into the skydiving helmet realm where visors would NEVER even have a chance of fogging even without any ventilation !

http://web.mit.edu/...free-glass-0426.html


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