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Cameraflyer72  (D 452)

Aug 2, 2011, 10:24 AM
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My Neos used to open almost great, after relined it with the same type of lines from Icarus USA, now she breaks my neck, it is so bad then I had to stop jumping it ( I fly camera ) Any idea why?


Rigless

Aug 2, 2011, 3:18 PM
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Ditch it and get a JFX Wink


Cameraflyer72  (D 452)

Aug 2, 2011, 9:35 PM
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Have you jumped a JFX? What do you think about it?


skydog  (D 567)

Aug 3, 2011, 12:28 PM
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Hands down the JFX I have is the best work canopy I have had. (The NEOS I jumped is back at the factory after knocking its owner out)

Go JFX........Wink


gilead1  (D 26)

Aug 3, 2011, 10:10 PM
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I never jumped the JFX,
I'm jumping Xaos-21 (W.L 1:2) and it is the sweetest canopy ever,
opening, flight, landing..... exelent work canopy


aaroncosbey  (D 108444)

Aug 16, 2011, 8:43 AM
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In reply to:
My Neos used to open almost great, after relined it with the same type of lines from Icarus USA, now she breaks my neck, it is so bad then I had to stop jumping it ( I fly camera ) Any idea why?

Oh dear - ive just bought a 650 jump neos and bought a lineset from para-concepts Shocked


Nukrites  (D 30239)

Aug 20, 2011, 1:41 PM
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What size did u get? I heard that 99 has most hardest openings, I got no problem with my 94, that was relined at Para-Concepts....


flatout

Aug 29, 2011, 2:49 AM
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Having had a rocky beginning at the start of my relationship with a NEOS109, I am now ready to give the vows..

Having received the canopy, I did suffer some cracking opening-explosions with corresponding visuals (STARS everywhere.), however I loved the flight characteristics so much, that I tried different packing methods to avoid the opening shock. Having done some 60-70 odd jumps on this wing, I am now fairly confident, that figured- out the important tricks and constant soft, on-heading openings over the last 30 jumps or so, seem to proof me right.
1) Very important, when packing the canopy, try to fold the Slider-triangle more on the canopy tail-end of the pack-job, not towards the nose section. My theory is, that the big slider burbles the nose section of the canopy when it opens, thereby provoking a sudden inflation, when the slider moves down.
2) Very, very important is to close the top-sheet of the canopy over the slider grommets!!! If you can see any metal or indeed a small piece of slider-fabric when placing the canopy into the d-bag, your in for a knock out opening!!! Also, close the top-sheet with at least four twists over the slider grommets, the better you close the top sheet, the less likely youll have a hard opening.

Paying attention to these two points helped me to finally be a fully-satisfied NEOS-flyer!


piisfish

Aug 29, 2011, 3:05 AM
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I think you and I have the same problem, we are on the lower side of the wingloading.

The more I load it, the better openings I have Smile

I must have increased my natural wingloading right now, as I have great openings without my weightbeltUnsure


xpug  (D 103237)

Sep 1, 2011, 1:49 PM
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FWIW, I am loading my Neos around 1.85 and have not eaten enough pies or trained to effect my wing loading either way, put 400+ jumps on it.

I had random spine-lengthening hard openings on my -relatively early- production Neos 99 with original lines. I checked line lengths, brake lengths and packed very carefully, trying all sorts of techniques learnt over many different canopies, but I couldn't get rid of them...I would say that 1 in 30 jumps on average would evoke a blinding curse. I had it relined after 300 jumps (due to a nick in a line) and have had nothing but buttery soft, on-heading transistions to canopy flight in the 100 jumps since then (maybe not statistically significant, but it feels like it).

It makes little sense to me that it was due to the lines as it would not be so random?. I also thought it was more head-down jumps and hence tending to deploy at higher speeds than normal, but I had it in head-up and tracking too, always being careful to slow down.

But even with those 10-15 hard openings, I love it! Laugh


(This post was edited by xpug on Sep 1, 2011, 2:03 PM)


aaroncosbey  (D 108444)

Sep 1, 2011, 3:18 PM
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In reply to:
What size did u get? I heard that 99 has most hardest openings, I got no problem with my 94, that was relined at Para-Concepts....

119 loading at 1.8

I'm coming from an Xfire so I'm expecting any other openings to be non comparable.

I'm also considering experimenting with different sliders.
A mate has jumped it with a velo RDS and a normal sized slider... With good results! Crazy


flow  (D 3019)

Sep 1, 2011, 11:30 PM
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Have people noticed this:

https://www.facebook.com/...anopies/323023083117

Not sure if it shows for those not in the facebook but the first post says:

*Attention NEOS pilots, we have made a modification to correct the occasional hard openings that have been reported. This applies to all NEOS canopies with s/n prior to 24112612. Please contact your dealer for a modification kit.*


piisfish

Sep 2, 2011, 12:25 AM
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I had random spine-lengthening hard openings on my -relatively early- production Neos 99 with original lines. I checked line lengths, brake lengths and packed very carefully, trying all sorts of techniques learnt over many different canopies, but I couldn't get rid of them...I would say that 1 in 30 jumps on average would evoke a blinding curse. I had it relined after 300 jumps (due to a nick in a line) and have had nothing but buttery soft, on-heading transistions to canopy flight in the 100 jumps since then
maybe your new lineset is different than your original (different length on C-lines apparently)

I love mine too Smile


svdree

Sep 2, 2011, 1:28 AM
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I would say that 1 in 30 jumps on average would evoke a blinding curse.

Same here, once every 20 or 30 jumps the thing just breaks my neck. I was happy to read about the modification, until I checked my serial number: mine is higher than the s/n mentioned by Icarus.

Oh well, I'll probably go for a reline anyway.


piisfish

Sep 2, 2011, 1:43 AM
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I was happy to read about the modification, until I checked my serial number: mine is higher than the s/n mentioned by Icarus.
I will know this weekend as my gear is at the DZ... But I should be OK as it was one of the first Neos


holie  (A License)

Sep 7, 2011, 3:46 AM
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In reply to:
I would say that 1 in 30 jumps on average would evoke a blinding curse.

Same here, once every 20 or 30 jumps the thing just breaks my neck. I was happy to read about the modification, until I checked my serial number: mine is higher than the s/n mentioned by Icarus.

Oh well, I'll probably go for a reline anyway.

As they wrote:
*Just to clarify, the modification applies to all NEOS canopies with serial numbers prior to xxx12612. The first 3 digits may vary. So basically if your NEOS was manufactured prior to August 2011, the modification applies to you. Sorry for the confusion. Happy jumping everyone!*


----- > If your serial is higher, your canopy should be brand new?

Unsure


(This post was edited by holie on Sep 7, 2011, 3:47 AM)


svdree

Sep 7, 2011, 5:03 AM
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If your serial is higher, your canopy should be brand new?

No, it isn't. The difference was indeed in the first 3 digits. Already contacted my rigger Wink


vellu  (D License)

Sep 20, 2011, 5:05 AM
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Tnks juhis!!
Would have not noticed that the s/n thing has changed. Smile

-v


piisfish

Dec 21, 2011, 1:13 AM
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No, it isn't. The difference was indeed in the first 3 digits. Already contacted my rigger Wink
so how do you like your new openings ?
I will try mine in Empuria for Xmas boogie


aaroncosbey  (D 108444)

Dec 21, 2011, 2:01 AM
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Ive just jumped my 119 with the new mod....well actually a brandnew lineset which included the mod.

Openings are (and always will be) more positive than crossfire openings. I got 1 hard opening out of 4 jumps and another two were just fast.

However - i did this on the last jump and it worked a treat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_83SvolUEg

It opened with Xfire type ease! Shocked Ill be packing this way from now on....

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loading @ 1.8


Seniu  (D 30079)

Jun 5, 2012, 12:25 PM
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This is mine, 114 after service bulletin.
http://youtu.be/oyMmY4KzTgk



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