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Nelyubin  (D 18617)

May 13, 2011, 2:32 AM
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Russia, Moscow, DZ Birky 26.02.2011 in a hangar on the ground, tripped Cypres-2 # 37780 DOM: 09.2007
The manufacturer's site there is no any reaction.


piisfish

May 13, 2011, 2:43 AM
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do you mean that airtec was contacted and that they didn't answer ?

interesting case. Do you have any idea of what could have caused the Cypres fire ?


Nelyubin  (D 18617)

May 13, 2011, 2:46 AM
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Ideas to not.


dqpacker  (D 32043)

May 13, 2011, 6:13 AM
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you sure it wasn't some shitty commie ripoff cypres2?


Nukrites  (D 30239)

May 13, 2011, 6:42 AM
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Lets ban Cypress !!!


Premier skybytch  (D License)

May 13, 2011, 6:48 AM
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In reply to:
you sure it wasn't some shitty commie ripoff cypres2?

No, he didn't say Argus.


Hellis

May 13, 2011, 7:41 AM
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Lets ban Cypress !!!

Sure, but i think the trees are doing us good.


ufk22  (D 16168)

May 13, 2011, 7:48 AM
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Was the unit sent in for inspection????


Skybear

May 13, 2011, 8:41 AM
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Russia, Moscow, DZ Birky 26.02.2011 in a hangar on the ground, tripped Cypres-2 # 37780 DOM: 09.2007
The manufacturer's site there is no any reaction.

I can hardly imagine no reaction from Airtec. Contact Jupp Veltmann, jupp@cypres.cc , he will help you for sure.


Nelyubin  (D 18617)

May 13, 2011, 2:48 PM
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Yes.
Received a very strange answer.
Attachments: Cypres2.JPG (200 KB)


riggerpaul  (D 28098)

May 13, 2011, 3:02 PM
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In reply to:
Yes.
Received a very strange answer.

So, you sent them a device with a cutter that had been fired, and they say the device did not record it. Is that correct?

Did you personally see that the cutter had fired?

Or are you only reporting what you have been told by some other person?

Did anyone see it fire?

Did anyone hear it fire?

Are you the owner?

Are you a rigger?

(I am just interested to have some background information. As you say, the story is very strange so far.)


JCulver  (A 55781)

May 13, 2011, 3:49 PM
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According to the response from Airtec, the unit was activated at jump 183, but they didn't receive the unit until after jump 343. Is it possible that the cutter didn't completely sever the reserve closing loop?


riggerpaul  (D 28098)

May 13, 2011, 4:05 PM
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In reply to:
According to the response from Airtec, the unit was activated at jump 183, but they didn't receive the unit until after jump 343. Is it possible that the cutter didn't completely sever the reserve closing loop?

I was figuring that it had a "normal" activation back at jump 183.

It seems unlikely to me that it went 160 jumps with a partly severed loop.

But, you are right, I should have asked the OP for clarification on that too.


Premier Remster  (C License)

May 13, 2011, 5:00 PM
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Quote:
It seems unlikely to me that it went 160 jumps with a partly severed loop.
Especially considering the display would show it and no complete it's activation sequence on the next power cycle...


riggerpaul  (D 28098)

May 13, 2011, 5:27 PM
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It seems unlikely to me that it went 160 jumps with a partly severed loop.
Especially considering the display would show it and no complete it's activation sequence on the next power cycle...

Of course! What was I thinking?!?

(I was a bit stunned by the concept. I should have thought some more before responding. Thanks for your post!)


sundevil777  (D License)

May 13, 2011, 5:50 PM
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Do you know for sure the closing loop was not in one piece?

Is it possible that the closing loop was cut by some means other than the cypres cutter?

Was it confirmed that the cypres cutter had activated (that is a visual check, right)?

Was the cutter returned to Airtek?

Normally these questions don't come up, but when the unit itself doesn't show the activation we can't help but wonder.


(This post was edited by sundevil777 on May 13, 2011, 5:52 PM)


mjosparky  (D 5476)

May 14, 2011, 12:45 AM
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In reply to:
you sure it wasn't some shitty commie ripoff cypres2?

Your remark was uncalled for. Unsure

Sparky


pasha_justas  (C License)

May 14, 2011, 1:41 AM
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Airtec answer was posted to Ukrainian web resource. You can read more details here: http://www.skycentre.net/...indpost&p=207079


(This post was edited by pasha_justas on May 14, 2011, 1:54 AM)


shropshire  (C License)

May 14, 2011, 2:09 AM
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In reply to:
According to the response from Airtec, the unit was activated at jump 183, but they didn't receive the unit until after jump 343. Is it possible that the cutter didn't completely sever the reserve closing loop?


'If' it was the case that the unit had fired at jump 183 ... What would be the indications on the control unit every time that it was switched on after that (i.e from jump 183 - 343)?


pasha_justas  (C License)

May 14, 2011, 2:12 AM
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'If' it was the case that the unit had fired at jump 183 ... What would be the indications on the control unit every time that it was switched on after that (i.e from jump 183 - 343)?
Error code 1111 or 2222 according to Cypres-2 manual.


shropshire  (C License)

May 14, 2011, 2:14 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
'If' it was the case that the unit had fired at jump 183 ... What would be the indications on the control unit every time that it was switched on after that (i.e from jump 183 - 343)?

Error code 1111 or 2222 according to Cypres-2 manual.

Cheers mate.

So that 'probably' wouldn't have gone un-noticed?


pasha_justas  (C License)

May 14, 2011, 2:50 AM
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So that 'probably' wouldn't have gone un-noticed?
Exactly.
It is very strange incident.

When Vigil-I misfired on the ground in 2006, manufacturer honestly made statement about registering of cutter activation conditions in the AAD memory. http://www.vigil.aero/...atementAUG06_000.pdf For now they replace units with old softwar version with new one at a charge. http://www.dropzone.com/...;;page=unread#unread

Cypres-2 incident in Russia looks like sad mistery unlike Vigil-I misfiring.


(This post was edited by pasha_justas on May 14, 2011, 5:44 AM)


gearless_chris  (D 29012)

May 14, 2011, 2:52 AM
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Do you know for sure the closing loop was not in one piece?

Is it possible that the closing loop was cut by some means other than the cypres cutter?

Was it confirmed that the cypres cutter had activated (that is a visual check, right)?

Was the cutter returned to Airtek?

Normally these questions don't come up, but when the unit itself doesn't show the activation we can't help but wonder.

I had a bad grommet on one of my reserve flaps that was gradually sawing through the reserve closing loop. It never got to the point where it broke, but it could have.


Nelyubin  (D 18617)

May 14, 2011, 3:48 AM
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Everything has been inspected and verified.
The conclusion is straightforward, the device worked.
Cypres cutter was activated.

The cypres was sent to the Airtec in complete set.


(This post was edited by Nelyubin on May 14, 2011, 4:02 AM)




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