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DBlank  (D 32564)

Apr 28, 2011, 9:37 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZkC56jA2HI

My initial thoughts were: This is not awesome, you are not supposed to deploy a drogue at terminal, and I doubt the harness is designed for that either.

Apparently the kid had a lot of tunnel time, this was at some dz in Spain


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airtwardo  (D License)

Apr 28, 2011, 9:44 PM
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diablopilot  (D License)

Apr 28, 2011, 10:02 PM
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Besides being moronic, it's damaging to the gear, sets a poor example, and increases the risk of a student jump.


JohnMitchell  (D 6462)

Apr 28, 2011, 10:29 PM
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I'd sure hate to have a premature deployment like that. Those rigs aren't designed for free flying and those speeds are hard on the drogue. With that said, I've seen more dangerous things than that and they looked very in control.


mjosparky  (D 5476)

Apr 28, 2011, 11:14 PM
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Besides being moronic, it's damaging to the gear, sets a poor example, and increases the risk of a student jump.

A good example of someone having their fun on some elses dime.

Sparky


JohnnyMarko

Apr 29, 2011, 12:01 AM
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Those were weird looking goggles


Inspired  (B 35971)

Apr 29, 2011, 12:39 AM
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I'm curious what their fall rate would be. Would it be much different than two individual freeflyers on their heads, since they're presenting about the same cross section to the relative wind as two individuals would?

Seems like a dumb move, nonetheless.


jonstark  (D 8298)

Apr 29, 2011, 3:52 AM
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Those were weird looking goggles

They're called "Mr Ed" goggles named after the TV show with the talking horse.

jon


Joellercoaster  (D 105792)

Apr 29, 2011, 3:59 AM
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A good example of someone having their fun on some elses dime.

I dunno. That kid had a better daffy than most adult freefliers I know... I call shenanigans.


Squeak  (E 1313)

Apr 29, 2011, 4:06 AM
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Those were weird looking goggles
They're "over" goggle, designed for spectacle wearer.

My concern is the kid didnt even look ac little Jazzed by the jump.Unimpressed

Friggin hard to impress some kids.


davelepka  (D 21448)

Apr 29, 2011, 6:06 AM
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sets a poor example

Like the TI snugging up his legtraps right before climibing in the plane with the free ends hanging loose? Or the student not being hooked up or with a snug harness while the door is open for the 4-way jumprun at 10,500? Or the hunk of drouge hanging out of the pouch when the TI knew full well he was going head down with the student? Or the unsecured straps beating the shit out of the student while freeflying?

Bad example? Nah, it's Europe! Stupid Americans could never understand their level of refinement and culture.


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monkycndo  (D License)

Apr 29, 2011, 6:23 AM
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Was at a DZ where I saw the DZO was going to take an upjumper's friend on a tandem. There was going to be lurkers on the jump. When they did the dirt dive, I realized they planned to launch as a flower in a FF group. Crazy

I trunk packed my rig right then and haven't been back there since.Unimpressed


JohnnyMarko

Apr 29, 2011, 7:41 AM
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Those were weird looking goggles
They're "over" goggle, designed for spectacle wearer.

I've seen over the glasses goggles before but those looked gigantic


airtwardo  (D License)

Apr 29, 2011, 7:44 AM
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Those were weird looking goggles
They're "over" goggle, designed for spectacle wearer.

I've seen over the glasses goggles before but those looked gigantic

It was his 1st jump...didn't have the Big Head thing going yet!


JohnnyMarko

Apr 29, 2011, 7:46 AM
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Those were weird looking goggles
They're "over" goggle, designed for spectacle wearer.

I've seen over the glasses goggles before but those looked gigantic

It was his 1st jump...didn't have the Big Head thing going yet!

He will after he tells everyone his first jump was a head down


Abedy  (D 10153)

Apr 29, 2011, 8:50 AM
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There has already been mentioned that flying at this speed adds unproportionally to wear and tear but I concede the TI seems to be very in control and obviously knows what he is doing. I wouldn't do any fun like that, though.
What I find more disturbing are other points:
- TI gets into his leg straps on his way to the plane. I've made it a custom/ritual to NEVER leave our hangar without my gear properly fastened.
- A 4way team jumps (I guess at 3200m or something) meaning the door is open and the tandem pax is NOT attached to his TI. Considered a NEVER-EVER-DO-THIS! in Germany!
- The pax gets his gear fastened in the plane, OMG. See above, I also made it a custom (as all of my colleagues do) to NEVER let a pax leave the hangar without their gear properly adjusted and fastened.

Nuff bitched.


chris74  (No 568073)

Apr 29, 2011, 10:11 AM
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Hey Dave,
Usually I really like your posts but here you just presume all European TI's are dumb and unprofessional and that sucks and it isn't true !
Blue sky
Taz


cocheese  (D 24000)

Apr 29, 2011, 10:34 AM
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I ummm, launched a head down exit with a tandem once.Angelic

It went great. The student was so geeked with his tongue hanging out just like the pros.Tongue


jumpsalot-2  (D 33093)

Apr 29, 2011, 11:03 AM
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Best tandem headdown was in the vid by Jimmy H.
" Standard Issue " double headdown tandems in flower exit. Out maybe 10 plus seconds face to face. With the music in the back ground "fuck you I won't do what you tell me, fuck you I won't do what you tell me "......classic.


mchamp  (D 32129)

Apr 29, 2011, 11:10 AM
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Apparently its one of the young tunnel rats that is proficient in head down.

Now I'm not stating that its ok because of that or condoning this behavior in any way, but just stating the "student" was a tunnel rat


mchamp  (D 32129)

Apr 29, 2011, 11:19 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/...=channel_video_title

This is the tandem student flying in the tunnel


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airtwardo  (D License)

Apr 29, 2011, 11:27 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/...=channel_video_title

This is the tandem student flying in the tunnel

The kid's good! Cool


virgin-burner

Apr 29, 2011, 11:32 AM
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Hey Dave,
Usually I really like your posts but here you just presume all European TI's are dumb and unprofessional and that sucks and it isn't true !
Blue sky
Taz

+1

it's probably not worth fighting with someone that doesnt have our refinement and culture anyway.. Tongue


k-dubjumps  (D 38495)

Apr 29, 2011, 3:56 PM
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Was at a DZ where I saw the DZO was going to take an upjumper's friend on a tandem. There was going to be lurkers on the jump. When they did the dirt dive, I realized they planned to launch as a flower in a FF group. Crazy

I trunk packed my rig right then and haven't been back there since.Unimpressed

Gee, I wonder where that was? Angelic


FreeflyGoat  (D 26046)

Apr 29, 2011, 5:06 PM
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You can pose the same question for doing gainers or flips out of the door. Or really any other activity that isn't jumpinp out and immediately going flat, stable, and deploying the drouge.


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