Apr 20, 2011, 9:05 AM
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Attached is a low-res photo of the 185-way Phoenix built at DeLand on 4/17. It was a pretty challenging formation, built from 9 planes with people from 21 different countries. It is the new Florida RW record, and I believe it is the #4 biggest formation in the U. S.
Apr 21, 2011, 10:55 AM
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At least, it probably holds the world record for largest asymmetrical animal-themed formation.
Are you sure about that? I've been on a few jumps that ...Oh! wait! ....Those were not a single animal formation...those included the whole ZOO! My mistake.
BTW - Congrats to everyone on the Phoenix jump! Pretty, pretty pretty!
Apr 23, 2011, 12:47 AM
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Attached is a low-res photo of the 185-way Phoenix built at DeLand on 4/17. It was a pretty challenging formation, built from 9 planes with people from 21 different countries. It is the new Florida RW record, and I believe it is the #4 biggest formation in the U. S.
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What is a Phoenix? There is one person without grips.
Apr 24, 2011, 8:12 AM
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LOL sorry - the "Phoenix" I believe is the bird that raised from the ashes. I think the idea was that WT was raising back from some difficult situation.
Apr 24, 2011, 11:34 AM
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Attached is a low-res photo of the 185-way Phoenix built at DeLand on 4/17. It was a pretty challenging formation, built from 9 planes with people from 21 different countries. It is the new Florida RW record, and I believe it is the #4 biggest formation in the U. S.
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Hey Kevin I got word that there was some AC issues on a previous dive or two. Something about a KA stalling, one guy breaking ribs & one guy breaking his back by hitting the door on the way out. Then something about a two out jumper that broke his back on landing.
Apr 24, 2011, 4:23 PM
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By KA you mean King Air ?? There were no King Airs in the aircraft Line -up. No stalls ... Aircraft were 6 Twin Otters ,1 Skyvan , 1 Shorts 3-30 and one PAC
Landing incident is discussed in the incident forums
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Apr 24, 2011, 6:26 PM
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I heard two versions of how ribs were broken on exit. One was the the jumper behind railroaded Bob into the door; the other was that the airplane stalled which threw Bob into the door. I haven't asked him, so I don't know which (if either) is correct. I didn't hear about any back injury, other than the two-out jumper. Someone injured a finger and was down after that.
Apr 24, 2011, 6:37 PM
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Again. No Stalls. The Lead Plane ,Shorts 3-30 had a minimum speed of 105 knots. None of the other aircraft trailing it ,were capable of stalling at that speed.
Apr 25, 2011, 7:35 AM
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Please elaborate on "dangerous" .... .The PAC was to far back in one load but still in its left most rear trailing spot . Corrected to fly tighter on the next load . Don't see where "dangerous" came in to play. I have been flying with the same pilots for the last 8 years in the big ways at Deland and trust me ,they now their sh.....t
Apr 25, 2011, 8:47 AM
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Please elaborate on "dangerous" .... .The PAC was to far back in one load but still in its left most rear trailing spot . Corrected to fly tighter on the next load . Don't see where "dangerous" came in to play. I have been flying with the same pilots for the last 8 years in the big ways at Deland and trust me ,they now their sh.....t
Yes the PAC was a bit here and there, but not "dangerous" as far as I saw.
Some plane over on right trail wing was to the left of its position and way low, IIRC. Dangerous as in getting pretty close to a vegamatic position.
Apr 25, 2011, 10:14 AM
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Please elaborate on "dangerous" .... .The PAC was to far back in one load but still in its left most rear trailing spot . Corrected to fly tighter on the next load . Don't see where "dangerous" came in to play. I have been flying with the same pilots for the last 8 years in the big ways at Deland and trust me ,they now their sh.....t
A little known technique to use when a trail plane is really far back from the plane in front is to hold on longer after the lead plane(s) exit. Let the plane give you a ride to make up the horizontal distance.
We used this technique on the 100-starfish dives at Perris. The planes were flying at proper spacing but there was traffic between the middle people of the 3rd trail with the people from the 2nd trail. The staging of the 3rd trail was changed to floaters leave right away and the first row waited a few seconds. People from the 3rd trail were docking at 6 o'clock, 3 o'clock and 12 o'clock.
On another dive at Skydance with a Otter lead & KA trail, we had a really big horizontal spacing. I was front floater on the KA and held on for about 3 seconds after the lead started emptying. I got to the formation much faster than the other floaters that left when the lead jumpers left.
The art of assigning exits slots on a big way is a tradeoff between how fast the plane can exit and traffic flow to the formation. It is not always necessary to get everyone out of the plane as fast as possible. If you jumped in the DC-3 days, you can appreciate this better.
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My mistake. 
