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theonlyski  (D License)

Mar 29, 2011, 5:51 PM
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We currently have 6 stickies containing info on individual manufacturers that are now banning the Argus. I thought it might be time to tidy them up. Here is the current list (as best as I can tell) UPDATED: 24 JUNE 2011





Avicom's statement to PIA (31MAR2011) http://www.pia.com/...sociation31Mar11.pdf

Airtec Statement on loops:
http://www.pia.com/...ice_20110421_eng.pdf
Airtec Cutter info:
http://www.pia.com/...tter_loop-032011.pdf

Vigil Cutter specs:
http://www.pia.com/...CutterSpecsVigil.pdf

Avicom - Understanding cutters
http://www.pia.com/...rstandingCUTTERS.PDF


(This post was edited by LouDiamond on Jun 24, 2011, 3:28 PM)


hcsvader  (E 2952)

Mar 29, 2011, 7:54 PM
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Also completely grounded in Australia by the APF.


bucketlistpilot  (C 1204)

Mar 29, 2011, 7:59 PM
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What a surprise move from them Crazy


Unstable  (D 28930)

Mar 29, 2011, 8:31 PM
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Altico too?!?!?Crazy


BKR

Mar 29, 2011, 9:22 PM
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In reply to:
We currently have 6 stickies containing info on individual manufacturers that are now banning the Argus. I thought it might be time to tidy them up. Here is the current list (as best as I can tell)

Aerodyne http://www.flyaerodyne.com/download/SB250311.pdf
Altico http://www.pia.com/...tins/ASB_0324111.pdf
Mirage http://www.pia.com/...US-MIRAGESYSTEMS.pdf
Parachute Systems http://www.pia.com/...viceBulletin0003.pdf
Rigging Innovations http://rigginginnovations.com/support/sb/SB-1548.pdf
Sunpath http://sunpath.com/...PSB006-3.22.11_0.pdf
UPT http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/...gus-PSB-20110322.pdf

BASIK HAS NOT BANNED THE ARGUS YET. THIS SB IS FROM 2006.


(This post was edited by PhreeZone on Mar 30, 2011, 6:19 AM)


Rugby82  (D 705310)

Mar 29, 2011, 11:34 PM
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Argus is completely banned in the Netherlands.

http://www.parachute.nl/...D_gebruiksverbod.pdf


piisfish

Mar 30, 2011, 12:08 AM
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In reply to:
BASIK HAS NOT BANNED THE ARGUS YET. THIS SB IS FROM 2006.
Jerme, could you also for clarity give us the date this SB has been revoked ?


BKR

Mar 30, 2011, 1:27 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
BASIK HAS NOT BANNED THE ARGUS YET. THIS SB IS FROM 2006.
Jerme, could you also for clarity give us the date this SB has been revoked ?

9th of May 2007.


theonlyski  (D License)

Mar 30, 2011, 2:45 AM
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Very well.

Mods, I can no longer edit the OP, can someone help me out?


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Mar 30, 2011, 6:20 AM
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I've corrected the list,


asphaltpussy

Mar 30, 2011, 9:18 PM
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Firebird banned the Argus AAD too on all their rigs
Attachments: 2011-06 SIMI Firebrid - Argus.pdf (64.6 KB)


Premier NWFlyer  (D License)

Mar 31, 2011, 10:40 AM
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Apparently Sunrise is not banning Argus for Wings containers.

http://blueskiesmag.com/...ners-argus-all-good/


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Mar 31, 2011, 10:58 AM
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Altico revokes their Service Bulletin banning Argus: http://www.pia.com/...lletins/alticoSB.pdf


Premier billvon  (D 16479)
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Mar 31, 2011, 1:28 PM
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>Apparently Sunrise is not banning Argus for Wings containers.

That makes sense; the location of the cutter in the Wings container will not result in a locked container if the cutter fires but does not cut the loop. (True of Javelins as well.) However, it does not protect against a partially severed loop that breaks later during handling of the rig, so it's still important to inspect the AAD to see if that has happened.


theonlyski  (D License)

Mar 31, 2011, 1:52 PM
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I thought of something today, what if it only severs the outer portion of the closing loop, allowing the finger trap to shift and encase the pin...

It SHOULDN'T effect it, but that's adding quit a bit of contact area to the pin.


Premier PhreeZone  (D License)
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Apr 1, 2011, 3:36 PM
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Paratec Statement - http://www.pia.com/...ins/AADStatement.pdf
Strong Service Bulletin http://www.pia.com/...ceBulletins/SB31.pdf


theonlyski  (D License)

Apr 2, 2011, 6:25 AM
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Wanna add those to the list? Tongue


JerryBaumchen  (D 1543)

Apr 2, 2011, 2:11 PM
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Hi ski,

Re: The ban for the Dolphin by Altico, I have just received a

CANCELLATION OF SERVICE BULLETIN #ASB 032411

from Altico.

It says in part:

"After further consideration, and review of additional information, Altico has reached the conclusion tht because of the location of the cutter on the Dolphin, it would not be possible for that scenario to occur on a Dolphin."

JerryBaumchen


piisfish

Apr 3, 2011, 3:19 PM
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In my opinion Basik's message concerning AAD's is the best. It is not up to rig manufacturers to approve or not an AAD. If one is installed it should be done according to the manual.


matthewcline  (D 21585)

Apr 3, 2011, 3:25 PM
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Who's manual? the AAD's or the Rigs?

If a Rig manufacturer says that the AAD states it has to be in "X" location and the Rig says that is not feasible, then I would suggest the Rig's manual is the one to win out.

Matt


Unstable  (D 28930)

Apr 4, 2011, 8:06 AM
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Lets see, so the Manufacturers that are still approving the Argus are....


    Rigs that still allow Argus
  • Jumpshack Racer
  • Strong Enterprises Quasar II
  • Sunrise Manufacturing Wings
  • Altico Dolphin



theonlyski  (D License)

Apr 4, 2011, 8:11 AM
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In reply to:
Strong Enterprises Quasar II

Where do you see that? According to the SB posted higher up in the thread:

Quote:
Identification:
Dual Hawk Tandem System P/N 103000 through 103005. We do not approve the Argus AADs to be used in any of Strong Enterprises solo skydiving systems

Emphasis added by me. I see that as saying that NO strong solo or Dual Hawk (PN 103000-103005) are authorized Argus installs.


Unstable  (D 28930)

Apr 4, 2011, 8:18 AM
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Ah, good catch, I didn't read that far into that particular SB.

Lets see, so the Manufacturers that are still approving the Argus are....


    Rigs that still allow Argus
  • Jumpshack Racer
  • Sunrise Manufacturing Wings
  • Altico Dolphin



Premier likestojump  (D License)

Apr 4, 2011, 8:21 AM
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Wouldn't Reflex & Eclipse be on the list, since they have not banned it ?


Unstable  (D 28930)

Apr 4, 2011, 8:26 AM
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Quote:
Wouldn't Reflex & Eclipse be on the list, since they have not banned it ?

Hmmm, I didn't know how to consider Reflex and Eclipse, since the TSO's are intact but the companies are no more.


    Rigs that still allow Argus
  • Jumpshack Racer
  • Strong Enterprises Quasar II
  • Sunrise Manufacturing Wings
  • Altico Dolphin
  • Flightline Reflex
  • Eclipse



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