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mchamp  (D 32129)

Jan 11, 2011, 8:08 PM
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With all these new toys that were recently announced at CES which ones would be suitable/best for skydiving? I'm assuming the CX-160 is included as its similar to the previous CX-150. Any significant differences between these two besides the lens?

http://www.sonystyle.com/...=-1#/handyCamTabData

DSE any preferences/your opinion on these "updates"? Wink

Also what is your take on the HDR-TD10 Sony's consumer 3D camcorder? Sure it's a bit beefy for skydiving but perhaps worth it?

I'm thinking the release date of the majority of these would be around mid March as they were launched last year.


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Jan 11, 2011, 8:53 PM
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here's the thing...
Even tho the cameras have been publically displayed, I'm under information embargo/NDA for a while still. I'm not permitted to comment on any products.Crazy
But the TD10 is something very indicative of where several of the manufacturers are heading.


IMGR2  (D 21089)

Jan 12, 2011, 6:57 PM
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In reply to:
Also what is your take on the HDR-TD10 Sony's consumer 3D camcorder? Sure it's a bit beefy for skydiving but perhaps worth it?

I love these comments from you guys that are new to the sport. lol

When I started, the Hi 8 camcorders were huge and camera flyers used to get neck injuries all the time.
I actually saw a photo of my dzo back in the day with a vcr strapped to his belly with a handful of cables running up to the camera mounted on his protec.


LukeH  (D License)

Jan 13, 2011, 3:13 AM
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Take a look at the other thread about these cameras,
http://www.dropzone.com/...;;page=unread#unread

It says in that thread they they have optical stabilization which is usually not ideal for Skydiving. Electronic stabilization is generally preferred because you can turn it off and it won't be affected by vibration.


kingbunky  (B 5376)

Jan 13, 2011, 4:37 AM
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i think i saw somewhere (but i might have made it up) that because this 3d camera uses two separate high def sensors it is essentially two cameras in one box, and that if you were shooting 2d video (in full high def), the other camera was free to do stills. if true, very cool, but the ois makes it kinda out of the question for jumping.


Hairy_Haggis  (D 123456)

Jan 13, 2011, 6:34 AM
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So if your 2 yr old, just for fun CX-100 with hypeye extention / biteswitch for stills had just taken a crap and was going to cost $220 to repair... what would you replace it with?

CX160 / CX360 / PJ30V

soo many options!! Mad


PharmerPhil  (D 23899)

Jan 13, 2011, 6:48 AM
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A CX-110 or CX-150... while you still can (I just did)!


Hairy_Haggis  (D 123456)

Jan 13, 2011, 7:12 AM
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I suppose, but that's only a 3mp stills capeability, thats worse than my cx100 was!

Damn backwards progression!


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Jan 13, 2011, 7:47 AM
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I suppose, but that's only a 3mp stills capeability, thats worse than my cx100 was!

Damn backwards progression!

Why would you care very much?
It's a *video* camera. Stills suck from it even if it's 20MP


Hairy_Haggis  (D 123456)

Jan 13, 2011, 7:55 AM
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I only mess with it for fun so I don't want to buy a stills camera i'd never use for anything else. Is there no difference between a 7mp and 3mp capability on them?

Same reason dont really want a GoPro, as I do use my video camera for other things.


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Jan 13, 2011, 9:10 AM
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the number of pixels is only relevant if you're feeding good information to the imager.
Video cameras are designed a little differently than even point n' shoots, and the glass/plastic is a lesser grade simply because it can be, and it's cheaper.
Sure, given a better bit of glass, more megapixels and/or greater resolution is better. The camera can never be better than its weakest part.


mchamp  (D 32129)

Jan 14, 2011, 12:06 AM
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In reply to:
A CX-110 or CX-150... while you still can (I just did)!

Why would you choose a CX110 or cx150 when the cx160 is exactly the same price as the 150? Or is it solely due to the availability you base your choice upon?

at least currently on amazon it is


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Jan 14, 2011, 12:16 AM
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In reply to:
In reply to:
A CX-110 or CX-150... while you still can (I just did)!

Why would you choose a CX110 or cx150 when the cx160 is exactly the same price as the 150? Or is it solely due to the availability you base your choice upon?

at least currently on amazon it is

Image stabilization. Optical on the 160 (could be prone to shake) versus Electronic on the others which can be switched off.


antonija

Jan 14, 2011, 5:16 AM
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I'd get another cx-100 from ebay...


mchamp  (D 32129)

Feb 19, 2011, 10:46 PM
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When you are allowed to could you please chime in on your opinion on the Sony CX-160 compared to the CX-150 for skydiving? Many thanks!

Oh and Thanks for the PIA 2011 vids DSE!Smile


kai3fly  (D 26217)

Mar 9, 2011, 7:27 PM
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So whats the story, on the 2011 lineup on Sony CX?

B&H have them in stock and shipping.

Cx160,560 & 700

Did Sony Improve the OIS?

Kai


velocityphoto  (D 18988)

Mar 9, 2011, 8:46 PM
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Boy thats the truth! They are "marketing pixels" and thats it.


Laszloimage  (D 22468)

Mar 10, 2011, 9:51 AM
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This one is out of the use of everyday skydiving for sure. But for those who might have a chance to do some production work (higher end work...) here's one:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...er_35mm_Full_HD.html
The size and weight makes it defenitely "jumpable"
DSE any word on this?


kai3fly  (D 26217)

Mar 13, 2011, 12:36 PM
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A brief summary of 2010 vs 2011 sony CX lineup.
Attachments: Sony CX Comparison.xls (26.0 KB)


freefalljason  (D 26672)

Mar 14, 2011, 8:12 AM
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In reply to:
A brief summary of 2010 vs 2011 sony CX lineup.

Very helpful!!

Thanks!

Blue Skies,
Jason


Fast  (D 28237)

Mar 14, 2011, 10:04 AM
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In reply to:
A brief summary of 2010 vs 2011 sony CX lineup.

So basically, we are back in a "Fucked" position where there are no cameras to buy once the market dries up. Fun.


Premier DSE  (D 29060)

Mar 14, 2011, 4:40 PM
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nicely done, thanks for the charts.

Derreck said it well...
The image stabilization is what is now one of the primary points setting consumer camcorders above/beyond GoPros, but that doesn't help Joe Skydiver.


velocityphoto  (D 18988)

Mar 14, 2011, 7:02 PM
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I think i'd tend to lean towards the cx 160. HD at 60 fps sounds pretty nice :)
I'm wondering if i can fit it into my cx100 cookie aluminum cage?


bomb420

Mar 14, 2011, 10:41 PM
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Nice chart. Awesome work!

I sent one (CX160) to Arizona Arsenal to do some FreeFfly testing during their training this week. I requested them to pass it around the dropzone (headup, belly) so I can get a bunch of different footage in a short period of time. Unfortunately I'm still recovering from my shoulder injury so I can't personally jump it. Frown I'll post the footage on our website once I get some samples. Let's see if they lock the lenses any better.

-Trunk


pepe  (D License)

Mar 16, 2011, 5:17 AM
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Nice comparison spreadsheet, if you knew the answer to bottom-feeder or not that would be great to add.


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